IRC log of dawg on 2007-05-29

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14:28:27 [LeeF]

zakim, this will be DAWG

14:28:27 [Zakim]

ok, LeeF; I see SW_DAWG()10:30AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

14:28:34 [LeeF]

Meeting: RDF Data Access Weekly

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Chair: LeeF

14:29:00 [LeeF]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/0062.html

14:29:08 [LeeF]

Regrets: SimonR

14:29:14 [Zakim]

SW_DAWG()10:30AM has now started

14:29:15 [LeeF]

hmm, any lingering regrets?

14:29:21 [Zakim]

+??P24

14:29:22 [AndyS]

zakim, ??P24 is me

14:29:22 [Zakim]

+AndyS; got it

14:29:25 [LeeF]

agenda + convene

14:29:27 [LeeF]

agenda + action items

14:29:32 [LeeF]

agenda + CR publication status

14:29:39 [LeeF]

agenda + XML and JSON Results Format publication status

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agenda + Implementation report

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agenda + tests

14:30:10 [LeeF]

ericP will be a couple of minutes late

14:30:55 [Zakim]

+[IBMCambridge]

14:30:57 [AndyS]

I can scribe

14:31:05 [LeeF]

zakim, IBMCambridge is me

14:31:05 [Zakim]

+LeeF; got it

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+Chimezie_Ogbuji

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+Souri_Das

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+Sandro

14:37:33 [ericP]

Zakim, Sandro is temporarily ericP

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+ericP; got it

14:37:42 [LeeF]

Scribe: AndyS

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14:38:11 [AndyS]

Next meeting: next Tuesday

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Regrets for next time: AndyS

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Chair: LeeF

14:38:40 [LeeF]

-> http://www.w3.org/2007/05/22-dawg-minutes minutes from 22 May

14:39:22 [LeeF]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/att-0060/22-dawg-minutes.htm minutes from 22 May

14:39:31 [AndyS]

+ regrets from PatH

14:39:50 [souri]

I had sent (belated) regrets for that meeting

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Seconded: Lee

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Approved

14:40:16 [AndyS]

+ regrets from Souri

14:40:27 [LeeF]

zakim, take up next agendum

14:40:27 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "convene" taken up [from LeeF]

14:40:32 [LeeF]

zakim, close this agendum

14:40:33 [Zakim]

agendum 1 closed

14:40:35 [Zakim]

I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:40:36 [LeeF]

zakim, take up next agendum

14:40:37 [Zakim]

2. action items [from LeeF]

14:40:39 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "action items" taken up [from LeeF]

14:41:06 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF to add `chimezie's leading digit test to the test suite [DONE]

14:41:16 [AndyS]

ACTION: AndyS+EricP: Run through an example in yacker [CONTINUED]

14:41:43 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF to mark the 4 regex tests approved [DONE]

14:41:47 [AndyS]

Drop: action/ LeeF to remember that the wee, lost filter tests should be put

14:41:59 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to poke IETF folks about registering SPARQL media types (esp. application/sparql-query) [CONTINUES]

14:42:03 [AndyS]

will be done as part of test suite building

14:42:25 [LeeF]

ACTION: EricP to run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests [CONTINUES]

14:42:37 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to get in touch with SteveH re: setting up an environment to generate an Overview page for tests in data-r2 a la http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/ [CONTINUES]

14:42:46 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP, jeen, or LeeF to update http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/README with info on possible results format and on changes to manifest and test vocabularies [CONTINUES]

14:43:02 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to write a test showing that langMatches doens't do extended matching [CONTINUES]

14:43:20 [LeeF]

zakim, close this agendum

14:43:20 [Zakim]

agendum 2 closed

14:43:21 [Zakim]

I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:43:22 [Zakim]

3. CR publication status [from LeeF]

14:43:23 [LeeF]

zakim, take up next agendum

14:43:23 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "CR publication status" taken up [from LeeF]

14:45:39 [AndyS]

PFPS comments: some editorial, some substantive

14:46:09 [AndyS]

... wants same answers as if graph were lean.

14:46:35 [LeeF]

zakim, close this agendum

14:46:35 [Zakim]

agendum 3 closed

14:46:36 [Zakim]

I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:46:38 [LeeF]

zakim, take up next agendum

14:46:38 [Zakim]

4. XML and JSON Results Format publication status [from LeeF]

14:46:39 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "XML and JSON Results Format publication status" taken up [from LeeF]

14:46:39 [AndyS]

... EricP has sent replies (one editorial and one substantive)

14:46:51 [AndyS]

... unlikely not to object over the lean point

14:47:19 [AndyS]

EricP: Result docs (XML, JSON) ready to go.

14:47:37 [AndyS]

... waiting for CR pub of the QL.

14:49:11 [LeeF]

zakim, close this agendum

14:49:11 [Zakim]

agendum 4 closed

14:49:12 [Zakim]

I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:49:13 [LeeF]

zakim, take up next agendum

14:49:14 [Zakim]

5. Implementation report [from LeeF]

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agendum 5. "Implementation report" taken up [from LeeF]

14:49:33 [LeeF]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/facets list of SPARQL query language features

14:49:43 [AndyS]

LeeF: Summary of last week: Eric can generate features list (see link)

14:50:52 [AndyS]

... idea is that when this is the reviewed list of features, then see the coverage we have in the current tests (tests/data) as we move them to (tests/data-r2)

14:51:11 [AndyS]

... asks for volunteers to review this list.

14:51:51 [AndyS]

chimezie: appears driven by syntax, not execution model - how open is this feature list?

14:52:01 [AndyS]

LeeF: it's open

14:54:32 [AndyS]

EricP: e.g. OPTIONALs, no examples of same query structure, different test features so far

14:54:52 [AndyS]

LeeF: Don't let this constrain a query

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q+

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ack AndyS

14:55:56 [LeeF]

AndyS: something worth testing - 2 OPTIONALs with a variable that doesn't appear elsewhere in the query

14:56:12 [AndyS]

... and there are other great cases.

14:58:01 [ericP]

http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARQLfed?markup=html&lang=perl&text=SELECT+*%0D%0A+WHERE+%7B+%3Fs+%3Fp+%3Fo+%7D%0D%0ABINDINGS+%3Fs+%3Fp+%7B%0D%0A++%28%3Cs1%3E+%3Cp1%3E%29%0D%0A++%28%3Cs2%3E+NULL%29+%7D&action=validate+text

15:00:13 [LeeF]

ACTION: chimezie to review and send comments on feature list at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/facets

15:00:46 [AndyS]

LeeF: Related need same for the protocol (but it will be shorter).

15:00:59 [AndyS]

Elias: will come up with first such list

15:01:09 [LeeF]

ACTION: EliasT to come up with feature list for protocol testing

15:02:08 [AndyS]

LeeF: will then review features : for now, need Eric to manage this as he groks the format

15:02:41 [LeeF]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006OctDec/0009.html sample EARL test results

15:02:42 [AndyS]

LeeF: We will be using EARL for results of implementation tests

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006OctDec/att-0009/rdfSemantics-earl.ttl sample EARL test results in turtle

15:03:35 [AndyS]

... will reach out to implementers once we have more coverage

15:05:26 [AndyS]

EricP: Part of this is to "announce" SPARQL because we have good coverage interally to WG

15:05:52 [LeeF]

zakim, close this agendum

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agendum 5 closed

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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:

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6. tests [from LeeF]

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zakim, take up next agendum

15:05:56 [Zakim]

agendum 6. "tests" taken up [from LeeF]

15:06:38 [AndyS]

LeeF: request for volunteer for test review for identified tests

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-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/

15:07:06 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data/...

15:07:12 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/

15:09:59 [AndyS]

Chimezie offers to look at some tests - Lee encourages this

15:10:25 [LeeF]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JanMar/0117.html

15:11:37 [AndyS]

LeeF: Syntax tests checked in

15:11:44 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/syntax-sparql4/syn-leading-digits-in-prefixed-names.rq

15:12:01 [AndyS]

ARQ passes this test suite.

15:12:10 [ericP]

http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARQLfed?markup=html&lang=perl&text=PREFIX+dob%3A+%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fplacetime.com%2Finterval%2Fgregorian%2F1977-01-18T04%3A00%3A00Z%2FP%3E+%0D%0APREFIX+time%3A+%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.ai.sri.com%2Fdaml%2Fontologies%2Ftime%2FTime.daml%23%3E%0D%0APREFIX+dc%3A+%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fpurl.org%2Fdc%2Felements%2F1.1%2F%3E%0D%0ASELECT+%3Fdesc%0D%0AWHERE++%7B+%0D%0A++dob%3A1D+a+time%3AProperInterval%3B%0D%0A+++++++++dc%3Adescription+%3Fdesc.%0D

15:12:12 [LeeF]

PROPOSE: Approve http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/syntax-sparql4/syn-leading-digits-in-prefixed-names.rq

15:13:17 [LeeF]

other unapproved syntax tests:

15:13:22 [LeeF]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/syntax-sparql4/syn-bad-OPT-breaks-BGP.rq bad syntax test

15:13:22 [AndyS]

There are 4 unapproved tests in that manifest

15:13:33 [LeeF]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/syntax-sparql4/syn-bad-UNION-breaks-BGP.rq bad syntax test

15:13:41 [LeeF]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/syntax-sparql4/syn-bad-GRAPH-breaks-BGP.rq

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15:17:30 [LeeF]

PROPOSE: Approve http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/syntax-sparql4/syn-leading-digits-in-prefixed-names.rq http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/syntax-sparql4/syn-bad-OPT-breaks-BGP.rq http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/syntax-sparql4/syn-bad-UNION-breaks-BGP.rq and http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/syntax-sparql4/syn-bad-GRAPH-breaks-BGP.rq

15:17:46 [LeeF]

ericP seconded

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SECONDED: EricP , AndyS

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RESOLVED

15:18:09 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF to mark 4 syntax-sparql4 tests approved

15:19:47 [AndyS]

Elias: HTTP tests, no SOAP tests.

15:23:01 [AndyS]

ADJOURNED

15:23:13 [AndyS]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

15:23:13 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/29-dawg-minutes.html AndyS

15:23:25 [AndyS]

rrsagent, make minutes world-readable

15:23:25 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes world-readable', AndyS. Try /msg RRSAgent help

15:23:33 [Zakim]

-Souri_Das

15:23:33 [AndyS]

rrsagent, make minutes public-readable

15:23:33 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public-readable', AndyS. Try /msg RRSAgent help

15:23:37 [AndyS]

rrsagent, make minutes public

15:23:37 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', AndyS. Try /msg RRSAgent help

15:23:39 [LeeF]

rrsagent, make logs world-access

15:23:41 [LeeF]

:)

15:23:44 [Zakim]

-Chimezie_Ogbuji

15:23:54 [AndyS]

rrsagent, make minutes world-access

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I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes world-access', AndyS. Try /msg RRSAgent help

15:26:31 [AndyS]

Eric: can you de-403 the minutes, please?

15:27:57 [ericP]

http://www.w3.org/2007/05/29-dawg-minutes seems to work for me

15:28:09 [AndyS]

Ta - does now.

15:29:48 [Zakim]

-LeeF

15:29:51 [Zakim]

-AndyS

15:29:54 [Zakim]

-ericP

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SW_DAWG()10:30AM has ended

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Attendees were AndyS, LeeF, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Souri_Das, ericP

15:30:07 [AndyS]

rrsagent, please leave

15:30:07 [RRSAgent]

I see 11 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/29-dawg-actions.rdf :

15:30:07 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: LeeF to add `chimezie's leading digit test to the test suite [DONE] [1]

15:30:07 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/29-dawg-irc#T14-41-06

15:30:07 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: AndyS+EricP: Run through an example in yacker [CONTINUED] [2]

15:30:07 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/29-dawg-irc#T14-41-16

15:30:07 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: LeeF to mark the 4 regex tests approved [DONE] [3]

15:30:07 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/29-dawg-irc#T14-41-43

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ACTION: ericP to poke IETF folks about registering SPARQL media types (esp. application/sparql-query) [CONTINUES] [4]

15:30:07 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/29-dawg-irc#T14-41-59

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ACTION: EricP to run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests [CONTINUES] [5]

15:30:07 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/29-dawg-irc#T14-42-25

15:30:07 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ericP to get in touch with SteveH re: setting up an environment to generate an Overview page for tests in data-r2 a la http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/ [CONTINUES] [6]

15:30:07 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/29-dawg-irc#T14-42-37

15:30:07 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ericP, jeen, or LeeF to update http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/README with info on possible results format and on changes to manifest and test vocabularies [CONTINUES] [7]

15:30:07 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/29-dawg-irc#T14-42-46

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ACTION: ericP to write a test showing that langMatches doens't do extended matching [CONTINUES] [8]

15:30:07 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/29-dawg-irc#T14-43-02

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ACTION: chimezie to review and send comments on feature list at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/facets [9]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/29-dawg-irc#T15-00-13

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ACTION: EliasT to come up with feature list for protocol testing [10]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/29-dawg-irc#T15-01-09

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ACTION: LeeF to mark 4 syntax-sparql4 tests approved [11]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/29-dawg-irc#T15-18-09