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14:59:23 <DanC> in the presence of RRSAgent and all god's creation, I hereby authorize john-l to update http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/test_results
14:59:44 <john-l> ACTION: john-l to update http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/test_results based on recent GRDDL.py changes.
14:59:44 <DanC> 1/2 ;-)
15:00:02 <john-l> ?
15:00:09 <DanC> only half a smiley.
15:00:22 <DanC> i.e. I meant it seriously, but I said it humorously
15:00:42 <DanC> how about updating it now? can you do `make test_results_auto.html` ?
15:01:11 <john-l> Nope, my ssh key is on my computer at home.  At work we have stupid 'd0z3 boxen.
15:02:00 <DanC> ah. boring.
15:02:07 <DanC> Zakim, this is grddl
15:02:29 <Zakim> grddl matches both SW_GRDDL()11:00AM and SW_GRDDL()11:00AM, DanC
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15:03:58 <DanC> Zakim, this is SW_GRDDL
15:03:58 <Zakim> SW_GRDDL matches both SW_GRDDL()11:00AM and SW_GRDDL()11:00AM, DanC
15:04:14 <DanC> Zakim, this is SW_GRDDL()11:00AM
15:04:14 <Zakim> SW_GRDDL()11:00AM matches both SW_GRDDL()11:00AM and SW_GRDDL()11:00AM, DanC
15:04:33 <FabienG> zakim, who's here?
15:04:33 <Zakim>  has not yet started, FabienG
15:04:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see danja, RRSAgent, FabienG, Zakim, john-l, briansuda, DanC
15:06:20 <DanC> Zakim, take up item 1
15:06:20 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-05-23T11:00-0400" taken up
15:07:53 <DanC> Zakim, bye
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15:07:59 <DanC> Zakim, this is GRDDL
15:07:59 <Zakim> GRDDL matches both SW_GRDDL()11:00AM and SW_GRDDL()11:00AM, DanC
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15:10:09 <DanC> Zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda
15:10:09 <Zakim> working on it, DanC
15:10:10 <Zakim> agenda+ Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-05-23T11:00-0400
15:10:11 <Zakim> agendum 1 added
15:10:12 <Zakim> agenda+ GRDDL Vocabulary
15:10:14 <Zakim> agendum 2 added
15:10:16 <Zakim> agenda+ Error handling
15:10:17 <Zakim> agendum 3 added
15:10:18 <Zakim> agenda+ #issue-base-param, follow-up
15:10:20 <Zakim> agendum 4 added
15:10:21 <Zakim> agenda+ Implementation Report, toward PR request
15:10:22 <Zakim> agendum 5 added
15:10:24 <Zakim> agenda+ Primer
15:10:26 <Zakim> agendum 6 added
15:10:28 <Zakim> agenda+ Advocating
15:10:30 <Zakim> agendum 7 added
15:10:32 <Zakim> agenda+ Pending GRDDL spec edits
15:10:34 <Zakim> agendum 8 added
15:10:36 <Zakim> agenda+ public-grddl-comments auditing
15:10:38 <Zakim> agendum 9 added
15:10:40 <Zakim> done reading agenda, DanC
15:10:45 <DanC> Zakim, take up item 1
15:10:45 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-05-23T11:00-0400" taken up
15:11:15 <DanC> Zakim, pick a victim
15:11:15 <Zakim> sorry, DanC, I don't know what conference this is
15:11:22 <DanC> Zakim, pick a scribe
15:11:22 <Zakim> sorry, DanC, I don't know what conference this is
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15:13:35 <DanC> Scribe: danja
15:14:01 <DanC> Regrets: RReck
15:14:09 <john-l> I note john-l, FabienG, DanC, danja, jjc, Simone, HarryH on the phone.  Am I missing anyone?
15:14:23 <DanC> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007May/att-0038/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html minutes 16 May
15:14:45 <DanC> RESOLVED: to approve minutes 16 May
15:15:10 <DanC> regrets danc 30 May
15:15:26 <DanC> HH travelling, but should be available 30 may
15:16:46 <DanC> PROPOSED: to meet again 30 May, HH/JJC to chair, ...
15:16:54 <FabienG> pick me
15:17:15 <DanC> RESOLVED: to meet again 30 May, HH/JJC to chair, FabienG to scribe.
15:17:58 <DanC> Zakim, next item
15:17:58 <Zakim> agendum 2. "GRDDL Vocabulary" taken up
15:18:23 <danja> jeremy: apologies, no caught up with actions
15:18:35 <DanC> ACTION: jjc to look at namespace document closely. [CONTINUES]
15:19:02 <DanC> chair doesn't see any reason for apology.
15:19:17 <danja> holidays considered helpful
15:19:36 <danja> ns doc action not urgent
15:19:43 <DanC> jjc: we told a commentor that we'd do it[?] before PR
15:19:46 <danja> on schedule for pr sometime in June
15:19:49 <DanC> Zakim, next item
15:19:49 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Error handling" taken up
15:20:06 <danja> ^ was HarryH
15:20:25 <DanC> ACTION: jjc to write an normative test case showing that if the transform is broken, you should not get a partial result, you should get no results. [CONTINUES]
15:21:20 <danja> DanC: error codes common in spec
15:21:25 <DanC> no, not common
15:21:32 <danja> jjc: lot of work
15:21:37 <DanC> but there's large catalog of errors in XQuery
15:21:46 <danja> not rare..?
15:22:06 <danja> HarryH concerned about blocks to PR
15:23:13 <DanC> DanC less concerned
15:23:19 <DanC> Zakim, next item
15:23:19 <Zakim> agendum 4. "#issue-base-param, follow-up" taken up
15:23:49 <DanC> ACTION: jjc to write text about base-uri, which may become normative. [CONTINUES]
15:24:50 <DanC> ACTION: john-l to implement htmlbase1 [DONE]
15:25:23 <danja> htmlbase1 is already approved
15:25:51 <DanC> jjc on beckett on base http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007May/0014.html
15:26:06 <danja> Zakim, mute me
15:26:06 <Zakim> sorry, danja, I don't know what conference this is
15:26:10 <danja> grr
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15:27:54 <DanC> beckett 4 May http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0051.html
15:29:27 <danja> HarryH suggests update of xslt 
15:29:55 <danja> fabien: last time we talked about base, should be taken from source
15:30:01 <danja> jjc: correct for htmll
15:30:26 <danja> fabian: if param not set...with h for local refs...?
15:30:37 <danja> Danc: suggests no use for params
15:30:55 <danja> fabian: useful if saved to local disk
15:31:10 <danja> loses ref to source uri
15:31:22 <danja> otherwise should be ok
15:31:32 <danja> jjc: why not test without param
15:32:02 <danja> jjc: if so add comment (giving fabiens exception) & reply to dajobe
15:32:20 <danja> kept in primer material space
15:32:42 <DanC> ACTION Fabien: clarify purpose of uri param in RDFa2RDFXML.xsl
15:34:25 <danja> *60
15:34:29 <danja> heh
15:34:37 <danja> (wrong place)
15:35:13 <danja> part of charter to define interop with RDFa
15:36:05 <DanC> ACTION HH: remove or clarify base param in eRDF transformation
15:36:28 <danja> DanC: online grddl service uses base params?
15:36:39 <DanC> ACTION DanC: remove base param from online GRDDL service and home2rss.xsl
15:36:43 <danja> HarryH: would be good to get it compliant with spec
15:36:58 <danja> DanC: independent implementation, with bugs
15:37:37 <danja> suggestion - ask Dom
15:37:52 <DanC> ACTION HH: ask Dom to check his XSLT against current GRDDL tests
15:38:05 <DanC> Zakim, next item
15:38:06 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Implementation Report, toward PR request" taken up
15:38:52 <danja> current version 1.13
15:38:58 <DanC> ACTION: chimezie to start an index of tests by normative assertion (proxy for feature) [CONTINUES]
15:39:12 <danja> (chime at conferences)
15:39:14 <DanC> ACTION: HarryH to start an index of tests by issue (not urgent; due 30 May) [CONTINUES]
15:39:37 <DanC> ACTION: john-l to turn "fails" into passes on GRDDL.py and rebuild test-results [DONE]
15:40:07 <john-l> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007May/att-0048/GRDDL-testing-summary_2007-05-22.html
15:40:18 <danja> john-l , passed everything but eRDF 4 (not approved test)
15:40:33 <john-l> (not yet checked in summary)
15:40:34 <DanC> aha... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007May/att-0048/GRDDL-testing-summary_2007-05-22.html
15:40:54 <danja> jjc: base URI issues in that case
15:41:04 <DanC> embedded-rdf4 		pass 	fail
15:41:13 <danja> john-l: will take another look
15:41:36 <john-l> ACTION: john-l to try to implement #embedded-rdf4
15:41:42 <danja> jjc: monitoring approved cases
15:42:54 <danja> "anyone remember why this test was unethical?" it sounded like...
15:43:05 <jjc> ^unethical^not applicable^
15:43:11 <danja> ah, ta
15:44:21 <DanC> "The precise relationship between the features of GRDDL and the approved tests, as well as the removal of unapproved tests, will happen before GRDDL Test Cases becomes a Proposed Recommendation." -- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/test_results
15:44:26 <danja> DanC: got a todo to clarify "not applicable"
15:45:04 <john-l> Doesn't http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#multiple-output explain the not applicable situation?
15:45:12 <danja> john-l: the remaining case covered by previous action
15:45:53 <DanC> Zakim, next item
15:45:53 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Primer" taken up
15:46:05 <john-l> ACTION: john-l to add link from report to spec explaining multiple results and not applicable relationship
15:46:40 <DanC> ACTION: HarryH to check any primer fixes in, Murray and Jeremy to review once finished. [DONE]
15:46:47 <danja> HarryH: primer near enough for reviewing
15:47:26 <danja> jjc: waiting for go-ahead for review, you only get one decent review per reviewer
15:47:58 <danja> HarryH: tempted to leave review actions until after PR (accurate..?)
15:48:22 <danja> jjc: can't see getting to PR without primer
15:48:53 <danja> DanC: looking at editors draft
15:48:57 <DanC> ACTION jjc: review primer http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc29/primer.html v 1.71 2007/05/06
15:49:35 <DanC> ACTION danja: review primer http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc29/primer.html v 1.71 2007/05/06
15:50:48 <danja> HarryH: got Gnumeric format xslt only
15:51:20 <danja> HarryH: wondering if healthcare example too complex, can swap in spreadsheet example
15:51:49 <danja> jjc: probably about time to call it a day on primer (barring big errors)
15:52:37 <danja> spreadsheet/healthcare different from use case pov
15:52:56 <danja> DanC: have a look at mnot's Excel xslt
15:53:16 <DanC> ACTION john-l : draft an excel spreadsheet primer section
15:53:23 <danja> reviews - run examples, see if they break
15:53:54 <john-l> ACTION: john-l to draft an Excel spreadsheet primer section
15:54:10 <danja> jjc: doesn't expect primer to be rec track any more
15:54:18 <danja> (audio breaking up)
15:54:50 <FabienG> yes
15:55:10 <DanC> PROPOSED: to take the primer to WG Note status in 1 week to 1 month
15:55:12 <DanC> poll
15:55:26 <jjc> (currently I would abstain)
15:55:29 <danja> re. rec/note - I'll go with majority
15:55:47 <jjc> that's called a 'concur'
15:55:57 <john-l> jjc: Why would you abstain?
15:56:10 <jjc> I've not looked at the text ever!
15:56:16 <john-l> Ah.  Good reason.  :)
15:57:18 <danja> suda's xslt
15:57:39 <danja> "do you have specific issues" directed at wrong person
15:57:40 <DanC> jjc's msg re suda's xslt http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/0115.html
15:57:46 <john-l> briansuda_: ping
15:58:26 <briansuda_> yes
15:58:41 <john-l> Can you give some more feedback on the invalid RDF question?
15:58:43 <danja> jjc: nothing to add to that message at this stage
15:58:44 <john-l> We're discussing it now.
15:58:51 <DanC> briansuda_, the xmlns="" 's look bogus
15:59:04 <john-l> For example, <type xmlns=""/>
15:59:16 <briansuda_> i'm more than happy to fix things, just let me know how
15:59:29 <DanC> er... we can only tell you what the symptoms are
15:59:41 <jjc> it was hard to say, because the transform is complex
15:59:55 <danja> examples from primer 
15:59:56 <jjc> http://suda.co.uk/projects/microformats/mf-templates.xsl
16:00:04 <jjc> seemed to be the problem when I looked in detail
16:00:43 <danja> HarryH: (plaintively) the transform runs...
16:01:01 <jjc> some RDF tools are fussier than others
16:01:42 <danja> reviews.rdf ...
16:01:44 <DanC> review.rdf has no xmlns="" 's
16:02:36 <danja> (jjc indistinct)
16:02:48 <danja> may be taking advantage of a bug
16:02:54 <DanC> <a href="review.rdf">a RDF version of the hotel reviews</a
16:02:56 <john-l> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc29/review.rdf ?
16:03:00 <jjc> jjc: I think it is plausible that na XSLT iomplementation forgets the xmlns=""
16:03:01 <DanC> yes, john-l 
16:03:13 <jjc> jjc and hence gets legal RDF output for the wrong reasons
16:03:32 <john-l> That RDF file looks fine.
16:04:26 <danja> ]some of briansuda's code is linked from primer - could do with freezing
16:04:27 <john-l> briansuda_: Can you produce a frozen stable version for the primer?
16:04:45 <briansuda_> sure
16:04:56 <john-l> That would be useful; I think that stuff needs to get to Harry.
16:05:17 <danja> party!
16:05:23 <jjc> The review.rdf differs from my msg of Apr
16:05:38 <danja> bratwurst & weissbeir please...
16:05:49 <john-l> jjc: Did you generate the RDF from that msg?
16:05:59 <jjc> I don't remember
16:06:20 <DanC> Zakim, next item
16:06:20 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Advocating" taken up
16:06:43 <DanC> ACTION: Chime to contact SemWebCG (CC IvanH) about who might be at STC '07 - mention session [DONE]
16:07:27 <danja> logo competition in susie s's hands
16:07:56 <DanC> ACTION: HH to e-mail GRDDL Logo contest announcement - semantic web at w3.org (pending Susie/SWEO). [CONTINUES]
16:08:21 <DanC> I see b/w at http://www.siatec.net/grddl/grddl_01.png ; is that by design?
16:08:23 <danja> the machine I'm skyping through just shutdown...
16:08:35 <DanC> noted, danja
16:08:45 <jjc> I'll continue making scribe notes for now
16:08:47 <DanC> I'm inclined to adjourn.
16:08:48 <danja> thanks
16:08:49 <john-l> All the logos I looked at were b/w
16:08:54 <jjc> That continue to be largely beer orders etc
16:09:04 <danja> re. Danja to pick LeeF over Spreadsheet to RDF examples, does he have XSLT?
16:09:12 <danja> short answer: no
16:09:28 <DanC> mnot might
16:09:36 <danja> long answer in comments at http://dannyayers.com/2007/05/20/spreadsheets-triples
16:09:37 <DanC> PROPOSED: to adjourn
16:09:41 <DanC> can I get a 2nd?
16:09:48 <jjc> I second
16:09:49 <DanC> any reason not to?
16:09:54 <DanC> ADJOURN.
16:10:00 <jjc> bye
16:10:01 <DanC> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:10:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/23-grddl-wg-minutes.html DanC
16:10:04 <FabienG> bye
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16:10:27 <DanC> danja, hang on a sec while I chat with RRSAgent about the minutes, OK?
16:10:33 <DanC> RRSAgent, make logs world-access
16:10:33 <danja> ok
16:10:42 <danja> thanks - I did get a 403
16:11:03 <DanC> the world-access request has a latency of ~30seconds
16:11:23 <danja> ok, so I take that, tidy it up & mail list within 2 days..?
16:11:35 <DanC> right; lemme tidy it just a bit by IRC here 1st...
16:11:43 <DanC> Meeting: GRDDL WG Weekly
16:11:50 <DanC> Chair: DanC
16:12:08 <DanC> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:12:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/23-grddl-wg-minutes.html DanC
16:12:43 <DanC> Simone, the logos seemed bigger than what I expected, too
16:13:11 <DanC> Present: johnl-l, jjc, DanC, HarryH, danja, Simone
16:13:27 <DanC> Present: johnl-l, jjc, DanC, HarryH, danja, Simone, FabienG
16:13:41 <DanC> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:13:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/23-grddl-wg-minutes.html DanC
16:14:19 <danja> simone, any chance you could put them all on one page? (or are they already - I could only see individual pngs)
16:14:19 <DanC> there, danja . the version of 2007/05/23 16:13:47 has the standard stuff.
16:14:26 <danja> great, thanks DanC
16:14:45 <Simone> danja: yes
16:15:06 <danja> thanks Simone
16:15:10 <Simone> danja, and also too small?
16:15:35 <danja> the ones I looked at seemed ok...
16:16:08 <Simone> danja, what is the number do You prefer?
16:16:22 <jjc> jjc preferes #1 the second one
16:17:18 <Simone> like Fabien's concept
16:17:37 <danja> the cogs?
16:18:05 <danja> industrial seems somehow appropriate
16:18:49 <Simone> yes
16:19:14 <Simone> other logos is a combination of cogs and balls
16:19:29 <Simone> with the cogs that "create" the connection
16:21:33 <danja> the small print will probably disappear when reduced, but I'm not sure there's a way around that without messing up the layout
16:25:57 <Simone> the minimum size is 16x16 but i can try to have a good quality also on smaller icons, so I'll post a page with all logos and size reduced, or I can use the wiki if it's prefered
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