12:27:57 RRSAgent has joined #xmlsec 12:27:57 logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/05/22-xmlsec-irc 12:28:00 zakim, this will be xmlsec 12:28:00 ok, tlr; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 32 minutes 12:28:09 Meeting: XML Security Spec Maintenance WG 12:28:15 Date: 22 May 2007 12:28:16 Chair: tlr 12:28:20 scribe: phb 12:28:27 rrsagent, make this record member-confidential 12:28:39 agenda+ convene, administrivia 12:28:45 agenda+ lat meeting's minutes 12:28:49 agenda+ actio item review 12:28:52 zakim, drop agendum 3 12:28:52 agendum 3, actio item review, dropped 12:28:55 agenda? 12:29:08 agendum 2=last meeting's minutes 12:29:11 zakim, agenda? 12:29:11 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda: 12:29:12 1. convene, administrivia [from tlr] 12:29:13 2. last meeting's minutes 12:29:17 agendum 3= action item review 12:29:21 agenda? 12:29:30 agenda+ workshop planning 12:29:49 agenda+ Status of drafts: C14N11 (from XML Core) 12:29:54 agenda+ Status of drafts: DSig Core 12:30:05 agenda+ Status of drafts: Decryption Transform 12:30:16 agenda+ interop testing, participation expectations (member-confidential) 12:30:24 agenda+ test cases 12:30:34 agenda? 12:31:18 Regrets: FrederickHirsch, GilesHogben, AlekseySanin, PeterLipp 12:48:43 grw has joined #xmlsec 12:48:47 hi greg 12:49:01 hi 12:50:04 jcc has joined #xmlsec 12:52:59 T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has now started 12:53:00 sean has joined #xmlsec 12:53:06 T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has ended 12:53:07 Attendees were 12:54:33 interesting 12:56:30 EdS has joined #xmlsec 12:56:59 rmiller3 has joined #xmlsec 12:57:14 T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has now started 12:57:20 +EdSimon 12:57:58 hal has joined #xmlsec 12:58:21 zakim, call thomas-781 12:58:21 ok, tlr; the call is being made 12:58:23 +Thomas 12:58:27 + +1.617.876.aaaa 12:58:47 zakim, aaaa is sean 12:58:47 +sean; got it 12:58:55 +Hal_Lockhart 13:00:12 + +1.410.695.aabb 13:00:23 zakim, aabb is rmiller3 13:00:23 +rmiller3; got it 13:00:35 zakim, who is on the phone? 13:00:35 On the phone I see EdSimon, sean, Thomas, Hal_Lockhart, rmiller3 13:01:06 +GregWhitehead 13:01:53 +R_Salz 13:02:26 ScribeNick: hal 13:02:29 zakim, take up agendum 1 13:02:29 agendum 1. "convene, administrivia" taken up [from tlr] 13:02:58 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/0034.html 13:04:03 +??P10 13:04:14 zakim, ??P10 is jcc 13:04:14 +jcc; got it 13:04:18 Zakim, mute me 13:04:18 rmiller3 should now be muted 13:04:56 zakim, take up agendum 2 13:04:56 agendum 2. "last meeting's minutes" taken up 13:04:58 resolution: next meeting May 29 13:05:04 http://www.w3.org/2007/05/15-xmlsec-minutes 13:05:27 resolution: minutes accepted 13:05:32 zakim, take up next agendum 13:05:32 agendum 2 was just opened, tlr 13:05:37 zakim, take up agendum 3 13:05:37 agendum 3. "action item review" taken up 13:05:51 ACTION-5 closed 13:05:51 Sorry... I don't know how to close ACTION yet 13:06:21 ACTION-6 continued; Konrad absent 13:06:51 ACTION-22 done 13:07:06 ACTION-26 continue 13:07:13 zakim, take up agendum 4 13:07:13 agendum 4. "workshop planning" taken up [from tlr] 13:07:34 http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/ws/cfp.html 13:07:38 q 13:07:40 q+ 13:07:44 ack jcc 13:08:13 jcc: noticed typo 13:08:15 q- 13:08:24 zakim, code? 13:08:24 the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), tlr 13:08:26 PHB has joined #xmlsec 13:08:31 zakim, code? 13:08:31 the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), tlr 13:09:11 +PHB 13:09:59 jcc: what would be the limits on number of people from each org? 13:10:20 tlr: if we have excessive numbers we will limit attendance 13:10:30 tlr: standard escape hatch 13:10:43 ScribeNick: phb 13:11:26 PHB2 has joined #xmlsec 13:11:48 hope to close cfp as soon as possible 13:11:55 final closure in 2 weeks 13:12:06 scribenick phb2 13:12:12 scribenick: phb2 13:12:25 ScribeNick: phb2 13:12:41 ACTION: hal to propose additional types of contributions for workshop CFP 13:12:41 Created ACTION-28 - Propose additional types of contributions for workshop CFP [on Hal Lockhart - due 2007-05-29]. 13:13:05 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40279/workshop-timing/results 13:13:23 Timeline for the workshop, form open, Sept 25-27 days where no known conflicts 13:13:36 aim for that 13:14:05 proposal 25,26 Tues and Wed 13:14:13 nem con 13:14:23 "nem con"? 13:14:34 nobody objected, passed 13:14:43 nemo considiere 13:16:18 ???: may be an issue regarding availability of hotels 13:16:31 Thomas: ok don't do catalonia 13:16:31 s/???/jcc:/ 13:16:53 Do that later workshop 13:17:11 s/that later workshop/meeting of follow-up group/ 13:17:42 Keep offer in grateful consideration for the followup work sometime next year 13:18:48 Thomas: should we do east or west coast? 13:19:03 takeup Hal's offer 13:19:21 Hal: given likely number of participants, any likely issues 13:19:44 Thomas: given number of attewndees (40+) consider AV support 13:19:55 ScribeNick: PHB2 13:20:09 ACTION: thomas to go through hosting requirements with Hal 13:20:09 Created ACTION-29 - Go through hosting requirements with Hal [on Thomas Roessler - due 2007-05-29]. 13:20:39 Thomas: next steps 13:20:48 need to discuss chair, have candidates 13:20:59 need approval from W3C management 13:21:32 Once approved everyone must send in a position paper (inc. members) 13:21:53 Participation is open to broad community, not just W3C 13:22:12 ACTION: thomas to propose detailed timeline for CFP by mail 13:22:12 Created ACTION-30 - Propose detailed timeline for CFP by mail [on Thomas Roessler - due 2007-05-29]. 13:22:48 HAL: Is there a special protocol for members? 13:23:02 zakim, take up agendum 5 13:23:02 agendum 5. "Status of drafts: C14N11 (from XML Core)" taken up [from tlr] 13:23:08 Thomas: no everyone must submit a paper 13:23:18 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/0028.html 13:23:26 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2007May/0040 13:24:12 Thomas: status of CR-Recommendation from XML-Core 13:24:27 Thomas: good time to raise issues 13:25:03 EdSimon: In the minutes we said we don't expect to give further feedback to XMLCore, this is respect to C14N 1.1 item 13:25:10 Thomas: yes, this is the case 13:25:30 .. no extensive discussion on 1.1 C18N 13:25:37 other issues are open 13:26:28 zakim, take up agendum 6 13:26:28 agendum 6. "Status of drafts: DSig Core" taken up [from tlr] 13:26:38 http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-core/ 13:26:39 Progress issue, 6 months after CR status and 2 interoperable implementations 13:26:44 http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-core/changes.html 13:26:50 s/6 months/3 months/ 13:27:03 c18n should be c14n 13:27:36 Need to walk through draft once more to see that people are OK with changes that have taken place 13:27:45 http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-core/#sec-CoreGeneration 13:28:04 The Reference Processing Model (section 4.3.3.2) requires that validators use Canonical XML 1.0 [XML-C14N] when a transformation that would expect an octet-stream as input is applied to a node-set. We RECOMMEND that generators do not rely on this default behavior, but explicitly identify the transformation that is applied to perform this mapping. In cases in which inclusive canonicalization is desired, we RECOMMEND that Canonical XML 1.1 [XML-C14N11] be used. 13:28:29 q+ 13:28:43 ack jcc 13:29:43 jcc: if an operation is applied on the input, it is not applied to the node set, 13:30:05 thomas: replace applied to a node set with better wording 13:30:33 "is applied to a node-set" -> "would be applied to a nodeset"? 13:30:37 q+ 13:30:42 ack sean 13:30:50 q+ sean 13:31:04 The Reference Processing Model (section 4.3.3.2) requires that validators use Canonical XML 1.0 [XML-C14N] when a transformation that would expect an octet-stream as input is applied to a node-set. 13:31:04 thomas, can everyone live with that 13:31:18 The Reference Processing Model (section 4.3.3.2) requires that validators use Canonical XML 1.0 [XML-C14N] when a transformation that would expect an octet-stream as input +++ WOULD BE +++ applied to a node-set. 13:32:14 Thomas the point being that the transformation cannot be applied to the node set 13:32:25 would expecte an octet-stream as input receives a node-set 13:33:21 jcc: not quite 13:34:24 Thomas: propose wordsmithing change to the mailing list. 13:34:41 Thomas is the normative intent of this change acceptable? 13:35:12 ACTION: jcc to propose rewording of "Reference processing model" sentence on mailing list 13:35:12 Sorry, couldn't find user - jcc 13:36:25 ACTION: juan-carlos to propose rewording of "Reference processing model" sentence on mailing list 13:36:25 Sorry, couldn't find user - juan-carlos 13:36:55 ACTION: cruellas to propose rewording of "Reference processing model" sentence on mailing list 13:36:56 Created ACTION-31 - Propose rewording of \"Reference processing model\" sentence on mailing list [on Juan Carlos Cruellas - due 2007-05-29]. 13:37:05 RESOLUTION: normative changes in 3.1.1 agreed 13:37:23 q? 13:37:25 ack sean 13:37:33 s/RESOLUTION/PROPOSED RESOLUTION/ 13:37:57 ??: first time validator and generator used in text, should be defined? 13:38:32 Thomas (explains terms) 13:38:36 s/??/sean/ 13:38:51 sean: fine with the terms, just should we put in a definitio 13:40:27 hal: hard to see how can have a recomendation without an actor, will someone take a recomendation? 13:40:35 Thomas: sean will you volunteer? 13:40:36 rsalz has joined #xmlsec 13:40:41 Sean: give it a shot 13:40:51 ACTION: sean to propose language for "validator" and "generator" that is more in line with rest of rec's style 13:40:51 Created ACTION-32 - Propose language for \"validator\" and \"generator\" that is more in line with rest of rec\'s style [on Sean Mullan - due 2007-05-29]. 13:41:12 http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-core/#sec-RetrievalMethod 13:41:50 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/0006.html 13:42:43 -R_Salz 13:42:54 +[IBMCambridge] 13:43:37 klanz2 has joined #xmlsec 13:43:37 "For example, a reference that results in the digesting of an |Object| element containing a |SignatureProperties| element is still of type |#Object|" 13:43:41 thomas: current languahge in 4.4.3 13:43:58 sorry for beeing late 13:43:59 ... proposal from greg whitehead to add above 13:44:09 zakim, code? 13:44:09 the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), tlr 13:44:26 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/0011.html 13:44:27 red text agreed in cambridge, greg proposes adding text 13:44:50 hal: makes it a lot cleaerer 13:44:56 q+ 13:44:57 nothing like a good for example 13:45:14 Thomas: propose accepting change 13:45:49 (confusion as to where we are) 13:46:38 +??P5 13:46:45 Proposal is to change 4.3.3.1 13:46:46 zakim, mute me 13:46:46 sorry, klanz2, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 13:46:49 http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-core/#sec-URI 13:47:05 zakim, +??P5 is klanz2 13:47:05 sorry, klanz2, I do not recognize a party named '+??P5' 13:47:11 Greg: proposal was to change text, was refining JCC's proposal 13:47:30 PROPOSED change: "For example, a reference that identifies an Object element containing a SignatureProperties element is still of type #Object." -> "For example, a reference that results in the digesting of an |Object| element containing a |SignatureProperties| element is still of type |#Object|" 13:47:31 zakim, ? is klanz2 13:47:31 +klanz2; got it 13:47:39 zakim, mute me 13:47:39 klanz2 should now be muted 13:48:21 RESOLUTION: proposed edit from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/0011.html 13:49:14 zakim, unmute me 13:49:14 klanz2 should no longer be muted 13:49:34 Thomas: test case, any news? 13:50:00 Question about 19 13:50:15 ??? havent done up to now, should not be too hard 13:50:26 s/???/Konrad:/ 13:50:27 zakim, mute me 13:50:27 jcc should now be muted 13:50:33 should be done today 13:50:37 ACTION-19 hopefully closed today 13:50:56 zakim, mute me 13:50:56 klanz2 should now be muted 13:50:58 E01 remains unresolved 13:51:34 zakim, unmute me 13:51:34 jcc should no longer be muted 13:51:35 Changes to e05 agreed? 13:51:38 q+ 13:51:54 As are ?? changes to the schema 13:52:19 confirming proposed normative changes 13:52:23 q? 13:52:26 ack jcc 13:53:01 jcc: issue with the change 13:53:34 ACTION: thomas to change formatting of 4.4.3 note 13:53:36 thomas: its a browser issue 13:53:36 Created ACTION-33 - Change formatting of 4.4.3 note [on Thomas Roessler - due 2007-05-29]. 13:53:48 will change the formatting to make it readable 13:53:57 http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-core/#sec-c14nAlg 13:53:58 thomas: c14n algorithms 13:54:33 This specification REQUIRES implementation of both Canonical XML 1.0 [XML-C14N] and Canonical XML 1.1 [XML-C14N11]. We RECOMMEND that generators chose Canonical XML 1.1 [XML-C14N11] when inclusive canonicalizatoin is desired. 13:55:16 people please review and approve this text 13:55:17 q+ 13:55:22 ack sean 13:55:44 sean: fix canonicalizatoin to canonicalization! 13:57:37 q? 13:58:05 jcc: query resolution 13:58:15 thomas: clarify 13:59:23 thomas: 6.5.2, (describe changes) 13:59:34 ... identifiers left open for now 13:59:54 renew identifier proposed for last call or come up with a new one 13:59:55 zakim, unmute me 13:59:55 klanz2 should no longer be muted 14:01:06 action: konrad to verify that CR version of C14N11 has no conformance-affecting changes against http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-xml-c14n11-20061220/ 14:01:08 Created ACTION-34 - Verify that CR version of C14N11 has no conformance-affecting changes against http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-xml-c14n11-20061220/ [on Konrad Lanz - due 2007-05-29]. 14:02:10 if the text changes may need new identifier, otherwise reuse old one 14:02:22 jcc: request clarification 14:03:32 thomas: describe changes to note in 6.5.2, gramar changes only 14:03:51 ed simon: move note above 6.5.1 14:03:53 so resolved 14:04:51 http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-core/#sec-c14nAlg 14:05:39 Note: The Reference Generation Model (section 3.1.1) includes further restrictions on the reliance of implicitly defined default transformations by signature generators. 14:05:50 of -> upon 14:06:27 btw. : CR http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2007/05/CR-xml-c14n11-20070509 14:06:50 Thomas: ok everyone? nobody objects? 14:06:57 Thomas: done with the agenda 14:07:22 -GregWhitehead 14:07:24 adjorned 14:07:24 -Hal_Lockhart 14:07:25 rrsagent, please make this record public 14:07:26 -sean 14:07:27 -jcc 14:07:29 -[IBMCambridge] 14:07:29 -rmiller3 14:07:30 -PHB 14:07:32 zakim, list attendees 14:07:32 As of this point the attendees have been EdSimon, Thomas, +1.617.876.aaaa, sean, Hal_Lockhart, +1.410.695.aabb, rmiller3, GregWhitehead, R_Salz, jcc, PHB, [IBMCambridge], klanz2 14:07:37 rrsagent, please draft minutes 14:07:37 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/22-xmlsec-minutes.html tlr 14:07:39 zakim, unmute me 14:07:39 klanz2 was not muted, klanz2 14:07:44 phb, there are your minutes. Thanks for revising 14:09:10 rrsagent, excuse us 14:09:10 I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/22-xmlsec-actions.rdf : 14:09:10 ACTION: hal to propose additional types of contributions for workshop CFP [1] 14:09:10 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/22-xmlsec-irc#T13-12-41 14:09:10 ACTION: thomas to go through hosting requirements with Hal [2] 14:09:10 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/22-xmlsec-irc#T13-20-09 14:09:10 ACTION: thomas to propose detailed timeline for CFP by mail [3] 14:09:10 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/22-xmlsec-irc#T13-22-12 14:09:10 ACTION: jcc to propose rewording of "Reference processing model" sentence on mailing list [4] 14:09:10 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/22-xmlsec-irc#T13-35-12 14:09:10 ACTION: juan-carlos to propose rewording of "Reference processing model" sentence on mailing list [5] 14:09:10 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/22-xmlsec-irc#T13-36-25 14:09:10 ACTION: cruellas to propose rewording of "Reference processing model" sentence on mailing list [6] 14:09:10 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/22-xmlsec-irc#T13-36-55 14:09:10 ACTION: sean to propose language for "validator" and "generator" that is more in line with rest of rec's style [7] 14:09:10 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/22-xmlsec-irc#T13-40-51 14:09:10 ACTION: thomas to change formatting of 4.4.3 note [8] 14:09:10 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/22-xmlsec-irc#T13-53-34 14:09:10 ACTION: konrad to verify that CR version of C14N11 has no conformance-affecting changes against http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-xml-c14n11-20061220/ [9] 14:09:10 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/22-xmlsec-irc#T14-01-06 14:09:17 http://www.w3.org/TR/DSig-usage/