IRC log of dawg on 2007-05-22

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14:18:06 [LeeF]

zakim, this will be DAWG

14:18:08 [Zakim]

ok, LeeF; I see SW_DAWG()10:30AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes

14:19:21 [LeeF]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/0057.html

14:19:33 [LeeF]

LeeF has changed the topic to: RDF Data Access Weekly - Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/0057.html

14:19:42 [LeeF]

Meeting: RDF DAWG Weekly

14:19:46 [LeeF]

Chair: LeeF

14:20:44 [LeeF]

agenda + convene

14:20:46 [LeeF]

agenda + action items

14:20:51 [LeeF]

agenda + CR publication status

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agenda + result format docs publication status

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agenda + implementation report

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agenda + test suite

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14:22:00 [LeeF]

moreso just that a lot of things have fallen into your lap, I'd say

14:22:04 [LeeF]

plus travel and all

14:30:08 [Zakim]

SW_DAWG()10:30AM has now started

14:30:15 [Zakim]

+??P0

14:30:18 [AndyS]

zakim, ??P0 is me

14:30:18 [Zakim]

+AndyS; got it

14:30:43 [Zakim]

+ericP

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14:31:33 [Zakim]

+??P5

14:31:40 [SimonR]

Zakim, ??P5 is me

14:31:40 [Zakim]

+SimonR; got it

14:31:44 [Zakim]

+LeeF

14:32:39 [ericP]

http://www.w3.org/mid/20070518004333.GC4091@w3.org

14:33:53 [LeeF]

zakim, who's here?

14:33:53 [Zakim]

On the phone I see AndyS, ericP, SimonR, LeeF

14:33:55 [Zakim]

On IRC I see SimonR, AndyS, RRSAgent, Zakim, LeeF, SteveH, afs, iv_an_ru, ericP

14:36:13 [LeeF]

zakim, take up first agendum

14:36:13 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'take up first agendum', LeeF

14:36:16 [LeeF]

zakim, take up next agendum

14:36:16 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "convene" taken up [from LeeF]

14:36:56 [AndyS]

Scribe: AndyS

14:37:23 [LeeF]

-> http://www.w3.org/2007/05/01-dawg-minutes.html may 1 minutes

14:37:40 [AndyS]

Regrets: SteveH, EliasT, Chimezie, Jeen

14:37:50 [LeeF]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/att-0045/08-dawg-minutes.html may 8 minutes

14:38:22 [LeeF]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/att-0056/15-dawg-minutes.html may 15 minutes

14:38:38 [LeeF]

-> http://www.w3.org/2007/05/15-dawg-minutes may 15 minutes for real

14:39:07 [AndyS]

(includes CR request for QL)

14:39:25 [LeeF]

zakim, close this agendum

14:39:25 [Zakim]

agendum 1 closed

14:39:26 [AndyS]

APPROVED

14:39:26 [Zakim]

I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:39:27 [Zakim]

2. action items [from LeeF]

14:39:28 [LeeF]

zakim, take up next agendum

14:39:28 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "action items" taken up [from LeeF]

14:40:11 [AndyS]

ACTION: ericP to poke IETF folks about registering SPARQL media types (esp. application/sparql-query)

14:40:15 [AndyS]

CONTINUED

14:41:01 [AndyS]

ACTION: EricP to run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests [CONTINUED]

14:41:28 [AndyS]

ACTION: ericP to get in touch with SteveH re: setting up an environment to generate an Overview page for tests in data-r2 a la http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/ [CONTINUED]

14:41:56 [AndyS]

ACTION: ericP, jeen, or LeeF to update http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/README with info on possible results format and on changes to manifest and test vocabularies [CONTINUED]

14:42:11 [AndyS]

ACTION: ericP to write a test showing that langMatches doens't do extended matching [CONTINUED]

14:42:30 [AndyS]

ACTION: LeeF to add Chimezie's leading digit test to the test suite [CONTINUED]

14:42:59 [AndyS]

ACTION: LeeF to remember that the wee, lost filter tests should be put http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-dawg-minutes.html#action05 [CONTINUED]

14:43:12 [AndyS]

ACTION: LeeF to mark the 4 regex tests approved [CONTINUED]

14:43:24 [AndyS]

CR Publication statuss

14:44:07 [AndyS]

RIF to review for compatibility between RIF extensions and SPARQL

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... by mid July

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... OPTIONAL and BOUND()

14:44:57 [AndyS]

LeeF: CG requests to check with PFPS on comment status

14:45:20 [LeeF]

(the PFPS request is actually from W3C team, fwiw)

14:45:30 [AndyS]

EricP: Contacted Peter and helping the timescale for a week or so.

14:45:52 [AndyS]

... -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2007May/0015.html

14:46:30 [AndyS]

... one tiny other change for codepoint sorting.

14:46:42 [AndyS]

... (not in that email)

14:47:21 [AndyS]

LeeF: Please hold off until CR done because this is the bytes to CR

14:47:42 [AndyS]

... then WG can agree changes in normal tracking process

14:48:03 [AndyS]

... not waiting for CR on RIF - RIF will review in CR

14:48:24 [AndyS]

... only pending item is PFPS email

14:48:44 [AndyS]

AndyS: How long is CR?

14:49:07 [AndyS]

LeeF: Guaranteed time is end May (??) to end July but also ...

14:49:18 [AndyS]

... need to fulfil the other exit criteria

14:49:32 [AndyS]

... PR beginning of August earliest

14:49:54 [LeeF]

zakim, take up next agendum

14:49:54 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "CR publication status" taken up [from LeeF]

14:49:57 [LeeF]

zakim, take up next agendum

14:49:57 [Zakim]

agendum 3 was just opened, LeeF

14:50:01 [LeeF]

zakim, close this agenum

14:50:02 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'close this agenum', LeeF

14:50:04 [LeeF]

zakim, close this agendum

14:50:04 [Zakim]

agendum 3 closed

14:50:05 [Zakim]

I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:50:06 [LeeF]

zakim, take up next agendum

14:50:07 [Zakim]

4. result format docs publication status [from LeeF]

14:50:08 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "result format docs publication status" taken up [from LeeF]

14:50:48 [AndyS]

EricP: (JSON republish) Ready to go except for the date

14:51:01 [AndyS]

LeeF: Make it so

14:51:04 [LeeF]

zakim, close this agendum

14:51:04 [Zakim]

agendum 4 closed

14:51:05 [Zakim]

I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:51:06 [Zakim]

5. implementation report [from LeeF]

14:51:08 [LeeF]

zakim, take up next agendum

14:51:08 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "implementation report" taken up [from LeeF]

14:51:49 [AndyS]

EricP: IETF process gets started when we are in CR

14:52:49 [AndyS]

LeeF: Grammar => feature list. Is this manually tidied?

14:53:29 [AndyS]

EricP: Feature set is handwritten.

14:56:25 [ericP]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/facets

14:56:30 [ericP]

comes from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/facets.ttl

14:56:43 [AndyS]

AndyS: Need also some tests of multiple features (e.g. nested patterns)

14:57:52 [AndyS]

LeeF: Excellent starting point, maybe close to the end point

14:58:03 [AndyS]

... it needs a second pair of eyes

14:58:19 [AndyS]

EricP: Red - incomplete

14:58:34 [AndyS]

... need to switch to XPath

14:59:51 [AndyS]

ACTION: AndyS+EricP: Run through an example in yacker

15:00:57 [AndyS]

LeeF: Once we have a list of feature, can we classify the existing tests by features automatically?

15:01:03 [AndyS]

EricP: Yes

15:01:19 [LeeF]

something that needs to be done: summarize coverage of test suite vis a vis facets

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(what facets are not covered, which tests might be redundant)

15:01:53 [AndyS]

LeeF: What technologies needed?

15:02:28 [AndyS]

EricP: perl, SPARQL parser from yacker, shell script to find manifest, xslt engine

15:02:35 [ericP]

example spopo query: http://w3.org/brief/NDQ=

15:03:36 [AndyS]

LeeF: Once we have this, need to capture implemenations.

15:04:02 [AndyS]

... using EARL for implementation results was the consensus.

15:04:30 [AndyS]

... need to publish examples/HowTo doc

15:04:57 [AndyS]

... do we require EARL formatted results?

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... what's the W3C practice here?

15:05:31 [AndyS]

EricP: example ...

15:05:31 [ericP]

example EARL format: http://www.w3.org/mid/20061002130321.GB5350@w3.org

15:06:03 [SimonR]

If people give us EARL, their gratification will be more instantaneous than if we have put in the effort to do the translation for them. :)

15:06:28 [AndyS]

... web form?

15:07:36 [SimonR]

I'm happy to do some of the translation work if we end up getting non-EARL.

15:07:59 [AndyS]

LeeF: "Encourage" EARL

15:08:15 [AndyS]

EricP: Require until we have to convert

15:09:06 [LeeF]

example earl results -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006OctDec/att-0009/rdfSemantics-earl.ttl

15:10:11 [LeeF]

zakim, take up next agendum

15:10:11 [Zakim]

agendum 6. "test suite" taken up [from LeeF]

15:10:33 [AndyS]

5B: Elias ready and willing

15:10:43 [AndyS]

(Protocol testing)

15:11:38 [AndyS]

LeeF: for QL, need to move stuff over, please help move tests over as you have time

15:11:56 [AndyS]

... Jeen back next week

15:12:09 [AndyS]

... manifests need fix up

15:12:20 [AndyS]

... but that's all

15:13:03 [AndyS]

... getting coverage should be OK

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... work is to prove this

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ADJOURNED

15:14:05 [SimonR]

Adjourn at 15:15Z

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-SimonR

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-LeeF

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-AndyS

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-ericP

15:14:20 [Zakim]

SW_DAWG()10:30AM has ended

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Attendees were AndyS, ericP, SimonR, LeeF

15:14:29 [LeeF]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

15:14:29 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/22-dawg-minutes.html LeeF

15:14:34 [LeeF]

rrsagent, make logs world-access

15:16:03 [ericP]

http://www.w3.org/2007/05/22-dawg-minutes successfully chacl'd

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