IRC log of SWEO on 2007-05-16

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13:42:27 [ivan]

zakim, this will be sweo

13:42:27 [Zakim]

ok, ivan; I see SW_SWEO()10:00AM scheduled to start in 18 minutes

13:42:40 [ivan]

rrsagent, set log public

13:42:56 [ivan]

Meeting: SWEO IG weekly telco

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Chair: Susie

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13:51:03 [ivan]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sweo-ig/2007May/0022.html Agenda

13:51:54 [ivan]

Regrets: Paula, Dunja

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SW_SWEO()10:00AM has now started

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+??P6

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+ +44.190.827.aaaa

13:58:01 [martind]

zakim, +44 is me

13:58:02 [Zakim]

+martind; got it

13:58:20 [ivan]

zakim, dial ivan-617

13:58:20 [Zakim]

ok, ivan; the call is being made

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+Ivan

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+??P9

13:58:37 [ivan]

zakim, P9 is Kingsley

13:58:37 [Zakim]

sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'P9'

13:58:43 [ivan]

zakim, ??P9 is Kingsley

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+Kingsley; got it

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+ +1.317.435.aabb

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+Jeff_Schiffel

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+[IBMCambridge]

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IBMCambridge is wing

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zakim, IBMCambridge is wing

14:00:45 [Zakim]

+wing; got it

14:00:45 [danja_]

aha!

14:01:12 [danja_]

susie: agenda -

14:01:16 [danja_]

review of conf

14:01:17 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

14:01:20 [kjetilk]

Zakim, IPcaller is me

14:01:20 [Zakim]

+kjetilk; got it

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+??P15

14:02:01 [ivan]

zakim, ??P15 is benjamin

14:02:01 [Zakim]

+benjamin; got it

14:02:41 [danja_]

susie: start with community projects

14:03:02 [danja_]

kjetilk: friend chris hacked up trust module

14:03:42 [danja_]

kidehen: open linking data at www2007 with timbl & co

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hi

14:04:09 [Zakim]

+ +1.603.897.aacc

14:04:10 [danja_]

kidehen: take away, linked data creating fooundation for broader ?..

14:04:40 [danja_]

kidehen: size of audience, message out going out across realms

14:04:49 [ivan]

zakim, aacc is Melli

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+Melli; got it

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+??P17

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zakim, ??P17 is Leo

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+Leo; got it

14:05:37 [leobard]

leo just got in

14:06:55 [danja_]

can someone else please scribe?

14:09:06 [kjetilk]

Zakim who is talking?

14:09:56 [Zakim]

+??P18

14:09:58 [danja_]

ivan has put up another page

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on wiki

14:10:08 [kidehen]

danja: continues comments re. the gravitation pull of the Linked Data Project during WWW2007 e.g the YAGO project which is now part of the effort

14:10:10 [ivan]

zakim, ??P18 is Uldis

14:10:10 [Zakim]

+Uldis; got it

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14:10:24 [ivan]

scribenick: kidehen

14:10:59 [LeeF]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/CommunityProjects.html community projects page

14:11:10 [kjetilk]

q+ to say that POWDER is pushing out first public WD

14:11:15 [kidehen]

TimBL, Chris, and Kingsley committed to producing Tutorial and demo material re. Linked Data

14:11:51 [kidehen]

Susie seeks update from Bengee re. Knowee

14:12:14 [LeeF]

ack kjetilk

14:12:14 [Zakim]

kjetilk, you wanted to say that POWDER is pushing out first public WD

14:12:18 [kidehen]

Bengee indicates project is in progress, infrastructure is now in place

14:13:07 [kidehen]

kjetilk indicates the POWDER use cases are in progress

14:13:12 [Zakim]

-kjetilk

14:13:31 [kidehen]

Susie indicates community projects are progressing nicely

14:13:47 [kidehen]

Susie commences WWW2007 update

14:13:47 [LeeF]

Semantic Web was second-most submitted topic at www07 (second to search)

14:14:41 [kidehen]

Susie indicates workshop and demo sessions on the HCLS tracks where well attended.

14:15:10 [danja_]

about 1/3 of the dev track submissions were semweb

14:15:59 [kidehen]

Talks about neurocommons demo herself and Alan Ruttenberg:

14:16:01 [kidehen]

http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/Banff2007Demo

14:16:05 [LeeF]

+1

14:16:31 [kidehen]

Ivan emphasis the impact of the HCLS session and its impact

14:16:35 [leobard]

I know giovanni

14:17:00 [martind]

+100 :-)

14:17:12 [leobard]

scribe: giovanni just said "thank you" to the work presented at www

14:17:24 [kidehen]

Giovanni exemplified impact of demo with his comments: Thank You !

14:17:56 [kidehen]

Susie indicates that progress continues

14:18:40 [kidehen]

Susie observed that scalability of tools are on the rise e.g. Steve Harris of Garlik talked about his Triple Store and the 1 Billion mark

14:18:51 [LeeF]

s/1 Billion/15 Billion

14:19:45 [kidehen]

Scalability is becoming less of an issue

14:19:52 [LeeF]

Exhibit!

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(and friends)

14:20:04 [kidehen]

danja: comments on the Grandma element of the Linked Data tools and Semantic Web clients

14:20:42 [kidehen]

LeeF: comments on the meshing of SIMILE effort with some of the more data oriented projects

14:21:46 [kidehen]

Susie: observed that people tried to determine if they where on the formal and mapped data generation or linking and mapping data side of the fence re. RDF instance Data

14:23:17 [kidehen]

Ivan: comments on Potluck and the impact of David's demo.

14:23:22 [_uldis]

re. scalability - agree it becomes less of an issue. my colleague Andreas recently demoed a triple store w. 7 billion triples and fast querying.

14:24:26 [danja_]

zakim, who's on the phone?

14:24:26 [Zakim]

On the phone I see ??P6, martind, Kingsley, Ivan, +1.317.435.aabb, Jeff_Schiffel, wing, benjamin, Melli, Leo, Uldis

14:24:28 [Zakim]

wing has wing, LeeF

14:26:11 [kidehen]

Susie concludes that WWW2007 was very successful etc..

14:26:39 [LeeF]

dfhuynh also indicated that they're working to incorporate Exhibit UI-type stuff into Longwell as an answer to working with large amounts of data

14:26:47 [ivan]

zakim, aabb is Susie

14:26:47 [Zakim]

+Susie; got it

14:27:27 [danja_]

zakim, ??P6 is danja_

14:27:27 [Zakim]

+danja_; got it

14:28:30 [leobard]

kingsley: put the link here: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/HowtoPublish

14:31:23 [leobard]

http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/ClassificationOntology

14:33:34 [leobard]

ivan: if we open the logo discussion, it takes endlessly

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14:34:18 [leobard]

whats wrong with these logos?

14:34:19 [leobard]

http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/Misc/LogoIdeas

14:34:32 [leobard]

did I miss smthg

14:35:10 [leobard]

q+ to ask bengee more on portalplans

14:35:17 [ivan]

leo, there was a discussion+decision to make semantic web logos in general rather than only SWEO ones

14:35:30 [LeeF]

leobard, I believe they're talking about general semantic web logos (and specific for other projects, such as GRDDL, SPARQL, etc.)

14:35:41 [leobard]

thx, i missed that

14:36:27 [kidehen]

Susie: talks about logo options: wait for Bengee or open up to general logo competition like GRDDL effort

14:36:29 [danja_]

doorbell, brb

14:36:48 [kidehen]

Ivan indicates he likes Bengee's work but emphasizes this is a personal opinion

14:36:50 [bengee]

http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Logos/SemWebLogoIdeas

14:39:00 [leobard]

bengee says that the logos have simple basic shapes that can be reused for many logos there

14:42:35 [leobard]

@bengee: btw, do you know the cool how-to-design-a-logo-of-letters by ba`? http://www.bamagazine.com/7ecHEsLand.asp

14:43:21 [kidehen]

Ivan and Susie provide Bengee with some insights re. logo aesthetics

14:45:19 [kidehen]

danja: please pick up scribing, I am having a major allergy driven sniffles session :-(

14:45:36 [leobard]

I can scribe..

14:45:49 [leobard]

Ivan says he was at a lokhead martin meeting showing semweb

14:46:08 [leobard]

ivan says the use cases were interesting for these people.

14:46:13 [kidehen]

tnx

14:46:29 [mannamal]

Ivan, I will likely have a use case from a telecom company - we just heard of someone successfully running a live project using databases and RDF. I am going to ask them to provide a use case. They clearly say that SW helped them save time and money :-)

14:46:36 [leobard]

ivan says this is a good sign for the use cases. we have two that should be reviewed

14:46:42 [mannamal]

mannamal is Melli by the way.

14:46:57 [leobard]

susie says she received the one by the chinese medicine portal

14:47:05 [leobard]

susie says she did not get the one from renault

14:47:26 [leobard]

possible action items seem to get the use case from renault

14:47:47 [leobard]

ivan says susie found another possible use case from pfitzer

14:48:17 [bengee]

leobard, that logo-of-letters pdf is great, thx

14:48:23 [leobard]

ivan says that in Banff he talked to daniel ... from vodafone and he would defintly want to do a usecase for us

14:48:35 [leobard]

bengee: that *rocks* I love it

14:48:47 [leobard]

ivan says there is one from IBM on a customer in china

14:49:18 [leobard]

ivan says the guy who we met in oslo / works in spain, city of saragossa, they agreed to send him a use case

14:49:47 [ivan]

s/saragossa/zaragoza/

14:50:17 [danja_]

Daniel Appelquist, vodaphone

14:50:19 [leobard]

who was talking before susie? didn'T get the name....

14:50:48 [leobard]

question about Pfitzer contact, is it a UK contact or US?

14:50:59 [leobard]

its the same person in both us & uk

14:51:56 [leobard]

ivan says there is one more from sun.

14:52:43 [leobard]

susie and ivan say that having the selection is enourmously useful

14:53:05 [leobard]

ivan asks kingsley: your customers, can we get use cases there?

14:53:12 [leobard]

kingsley says he will try.

14:53:51 [leobard]

susie brings up the topic that we evaluated upcoming conferences where to go and evangelize

14:54:04 [leobard]

for this year, susie has took off the meetings that already happened.

14:54:19 [leobard]

http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Conferences

14:54:33 [leobard]

susie says for next year, we would need more meetings

14:54:56 [LeeF]

Susie, did you put the info into an Exhibit? :-)

14:55:16 [leobard]

susie created categories for meetings, like life sciences, general technology, .... with the goal to "infiltrate" the meetings.

14:55:36 [leobard]

the database and data conferences could be interesteing

14:55:51 [leobard]

call for participation from SWEOs: please add more meetings to the list

14:56:12 [mannamal]

Susie, several of us will be at SemTech07 next week, and it looks as though there are several use cases being presented there. I am sure you will be introducing them all to SWEO, and those of us who are there could help do that.

14:56:40 [leobard]

ACTION: people to add conferences to the wiki page http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Conferences

14:57:22 [leobard]

susie asks if we can do the next f2f at cambridge

14:58:10 [leobard]

ivan says that this is timed close to ISWC, causing jetlag

14:58:24 [leobard]

susie asks if anybody on the phone is in the cambridge meeting

14:58:42 [leobard]

danny asks if there is anybody going to the swig meeting

14:59:59 [leobard]

susie: we should start thinking about other options for a f2f

15:00:15 [leobard]

susie: another workshop about semweb and databases in cambridge in october?

15:00:36 [mannamal]

I need to leave now. A f2f in Cambridge of course works nicely for me.

15:00:38 [danja_]

positive side - the year is getting saturated with SW conferences ;-)

15:00:39 [leobard]

reminder @ all: we are at the end of the hour

15:00:41 [Zakim]

-Melli

15:02:05 [leobard]

susie asks if there are more agenda items, there are not.

15:02:13 [Zakim]

-wing

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-martind

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-Kingsley

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-Jeff_Schiffel

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-Susie

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-benjamin

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-Uldis

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-Ivan

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-danja_

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-Leo

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SW_SWEO()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were +44.190.827.aaaa, martind, Ivan, Kingsley, +1.317.435.aabb, Jeff_Schiffel, kjetilk, benjamin, +1.603.897.aacc, Melli, Leo, wing, LeeF, Uldis, Susie, danja_

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RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/16-SWEO-minutes.html leobard

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RRSAgent, make logs

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I'm logging. I don't understand 'make logs', leobard. Try /msg RRSAgent help

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RRSAgent, make logs world-access

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scribe: leobard

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RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/16-SWEO-minutes.html leobard

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RRSAgent, help

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Scribe: leobard

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RRSAgent, please make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/16-SWEO-minutes.html leobard

15:08:34 [leobard]

ok, so the scribe is a funny message, so be it :-)

15:08:36 [leobard]

cya

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