IRC log of xmlsec on 2007-05-15
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/05/15-xmlsec-irc
- 10:56:47 [jcc]
- Zakim, this will be XMLSEC
- 10:56:47 [Zakim]
- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, jcc
- 11:11:19 [tlr]
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- zakim, this will be xmlsec
- 11:11:56 [Zakim]
- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, tlr
- 11:47:43 [tlr]
- zakim, this will be xmlsec
- 11:47:43 [Zakim]
- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, tlr
- 12:05:02 [tlr]
- zakim, this will be xmlsec
- 12:05:02 [Zakim]
- ok, tlr; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 55 minutes
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- 12:14:23 [jcc]
- Zakim, this will be XMLSEC
- 12:14:23 [Zakim]
- ok, jcc; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 46 minutes
- 12:14:34 [tlr]
- hi Juan Carlos
- 12:15:04 [jcc]
- Chair: Frederick Hirsch
- 12:15:19 [jcc]
- Scribe: Juan Carlos Cruellas
- 12:19:30 [PeterL]
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- RRSAgent, make log public
- 12:20:13 [PeterL]
- hi jcc, practising ;)
- 12:26:51 [tlr]
- hallo Peter
- 12:32:45 [jcc]
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- 12:34:06 [PeterL]
- hallo thomas
- 12:36:26 [tlr]
- Peter, ich habe gerade Deine Mail re Workshop-Hosting beantwortet
- 12:37:38 [PeterL]
- habs gesehen. JCC hat ja auch was angeboten.
- 12:38:00 [jcc]
- I certainly must learn German ;-)
- 12:38:06 [tlr]
- sorry
- 12:38:18 [tlr]
- Peter had asked about specific requirements for the workshop, and I said I had just sent him e-mail.
- 12:38:26 [tlr]
- He then said you had also offered hosting.
- 12:38:26 [jcc]
- No problem... it is the natural way of comunicating among yourselves
- 12:38:26 [PeterL]
- sure juan carlos, then I'd learn more espagnol
- 12:39:02 [PeterL]
- ;-)
- 12:39:33 [jcc]
- One question Thomas, is there any command to record that an action has been closed?
- 12:39:54 [tlr]
- not at this point.
- 12:40:07 [tlr]
- Just record ACTION-NNN closed, and Frederick or I need to do it through the Web interface.
- 12:40:46 [jcc]
- I see... just wondering if there was some command for doing it automatically...thanks
- 12:42:40 [jcc]
- Thomas, do you know if Frederick has uploaded the agenda of this meeting to the W3C server?
- 12:42:53 [jcc]
- if so I would record the URL for the minutes...
- 12:43:11 [tlr]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/0025.html
- 12:43:20 [tlr]
- it's just in the public mailing list archive
- 12:44:02 [jcc]
- Ah! I see, when the scribe's instructions mention a URL to the agenda, in fact they mean to the email where the agenda was distributed... thanks
- 12:45:03 [jcc]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/0025.html
- 12:45:22 [jcc]
- Meeting: XMLSEC
- 12:45:37 [jcc]
- Chair: Frederick Hirsch
- 12:45:48 [jcc]
- Scribe: Juan Carlos Cruellas
- 12:46:01 [jcc]
- RRSAgent, make log public
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- zakim, who is here?
- 12:48:43 [Zakim]
- T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has not yet started, jh
- 12:48:44 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see jh, jcc, PeterL, tlr, RRSAgent, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot-ng
- 12:51:10 [jh]
- zakim, this will be xmlsecc
- 12:51:10 [Zakim]
- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, jh
- 12:51:15 [jh]
- zakim, this will be xmlsec
- 12:51:15 [Zakim]
- ok, jh; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
- 12:51:30 [jh]
- Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance WG Conference Call
- 12:51:40 [jh]
- Chair: Frederick Hirsch
- 12:51:48 [jcc]
- Scribe: Juan Carlos Cruellas
- 12:52:30 [jcc]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/0025.html
- 12:52:51 [Zakim]
- T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has now started
- 12:52:58 [Zakim]
- +Frederick_Hirsch
- 12:53:14 [jh]
- zakim, who is here+
- 12:53:14 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who is here+', jh
- 12:53:19 [jh]
- zakim, who is here?
- 12:53:19 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch
- 12:53:21 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see jh, jcc, PeterL, tlr, RRSAgent, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot-ng
- 12:54:37 [jh]
- Regrets: Donald Eastlake, Gregory Berezowsky
- 12:54:48 [tlr]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 12:54:48 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch
- 12:55:30 [jcc]
- thomas, the command /me zakim, ??p9 is [handle] does not seem to work... I guess that I must substitute ?? by something?
- 12:55:31 [rdm]
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- 12:55:59 [tlr]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 12:55:59 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch
- 12:56:06 [EdS]
- EdS has joined #xmlsec
- 12:56:07 [tlr]
- juan carlos, there is no unidentified party on the phone...
- 12:57:00 [tlr]
- zakim, call thomas-781
- 12:57:00 [Zakim]
- ok, tlr; the call is being made
- 12:57:01 [Zakim]
- +Thomas
- 12:57:28 [sean]
- sean has joined #xmlsec
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- PHB has joined #xmlsec
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- +[IPcaller]
- 12:58:31 [tlr]
- zakim, IPcaller is JuanCarlosCruellas
- 12:58:31 [Zakim]
- +JuanCarlosCruellas; got it
- 12:58:38 [tlr]
- zakim, nick jcc is JuanCarlosCruellas
- 12:58:38 [Zakim]
- ok, tlr, I now associate jcc with JuanCarlosCruellas
- 12:58:52 [Zakim]
- + +1.781.442.aaaa
- 12:59:07 [tlr]
- zakim, nick fjh is FrederickHirsch
- 12:59:07 [Zakim]
- ok, tlr, I now associate fjh with Frederick_Hirsch
- 12:59:21 [tlr]
- zakim, aaaa is SeanMullen
- 12:59:21 [Zakim]
- +SeanMullen; got it
- 12:59:25 [tlr]
- zakim, nick sean is SeanMullen
- 12:59:25 [Zakim]
- ok, tlr, I now associate sean with SeanMullen
- 12:59:55 [tlr]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 12:59:55 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas, JuanCarlosCruellas, SeanMullen
- 13:00:04 [hal]
- hal has joined #xmlsec
- 13:00:11 [Zakim]
- + +1.650.380.aabb
- 13:00:20 [klanz2]
- I'm having trouble with my machine, I'll dial in ASAP
- 13:00:23 [Zakim]
- +EdSimon
- 13:00:26 [Zakim]
- + +1.443.695.aacc
- 13:00:42 [tlr]
- zakim, aabb is GregWhitehead
- 13:00:42 [Zakim]
- +GregWhitehead; got it
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- zakim, aacc is RobMiller
- 13:00:56 [Zakim]
- +RobMiller; got it
- 13:00:59 [fjh]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:00:59 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas, JuanCarlosCruellas, SeanMullen, GregWhitehead, EdSimon, RobMiller
- 13:01:01 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see hal, PHB, sean, EdS, rdm, fjh, jcc, PeterL, tlr, RRSAgent, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot-ng
- 13:01:01 [tlr]
- zakim, nick rdm is RobMiller
- 13:01:01 [Zakim]
- ok, tlr, I now associate rdm with RobMiller
- 13:01:09 [Zakim]
- +Hal_Lockhart
- 13:01:17 [tlr]
- zakim, nick EdS is EdSimon
- 13:01:17 [Zakim]
- ok, tlr, I now associate EdS with EdSimon
- 13:01:22 [tlr]
- zakim, nick hal is Hal_Lockhart
- 13:01:22 [grw]
- grw has joined #xmlsec
- 13:01:26 [Zakim]
- ok, tlr, I now associate hal with Hal_Lockhart
- 13:01:26 [tlr]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 13:01:28 [Zakim]
- + +30281039aadd
- 13:01:36 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas, JuanCarlosCruellas, SeanMullen, GregWhitehead, EdSimon, RobMiller, Hal_Lockhart, +30281039aadd
- 13:01:39 [PHB]
- zakim, what is the dial in
- 13:01:44 [tlr]
- zakim, nick grw is GregWhitehead
- 13:01:46 [tlr]
- zakim, code?
- 13:01:51 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'what is the dial in', PHB
- 13:01:53 [tlr]
- zakim, aadd is GilesHogben
- 13:01:57 [Zakim]
- ok, tlr, I now associate grw with GregWhitehead
- 13:01:59 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), tlr
- 13:02:05 [Zakim]
- +GilesHogben; got it
- 13:02:11 [rdm2]
- rdm2 has joined #xmlsec
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- zakim, nick rdm2 is RobMiller
- 13:02:22 [Zakim]
- ok, tlr, I now associate rdm2 with RobMiller
- 13:02:34 [fjh]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:02:34 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas, JuanCarlosCruellas, SeanMullen, GregWhitehead, EdSimon, RobMiller, Hal_Lockhart, GilesHogben
- 13:02:37 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see rdm2, grw, hal, PHB, sean, EdS, rdm, fjh, jcc, PeterL, tlr, RRSAgent, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot-ng
- 13:02:39 [Zakim]
- + +1.781.306.aaee
- 13:02:43 [ghogben3]
- ghogben3 has joined #xmlsec
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- - +1.781.306.aaee
- 13:03:10 [jcc]
- OPIC: 1) Administrative: Scribe confirmation, Attendance, Agenda review (9:00 am Eastern)
- 13:03:17 [Zakim]
- +PHB
- 13:03:17 [tlr]
- zakim, nick ghogben3 is GilesHogben
- 13:03:18 [Zakim]
- ok, tlr, I now associate ghogben3 with GilesHogben
- 13:03:32 [tlr]
- Topic: Administrative
- 13:03:36 [tlr]
- Scribe for next week: PHB
- 13:03:51 [jcc]
- fjh: confirming next week scribe Phillp Hallman for the week after, not next week
- 13:03:52 [tlr]
- Scribe for 29 May: Giles Hogben
- 13:03:58 [tlr]
- s/Hallam/Hallam-Baker/
- 13:04:12 [jcc]
- fjh: asks Giles Hogben to do it for the week after
- 13:04:20 [jcc]
- TOPIC: 1a) Regrets: Donald Eastlake, Gregory Berezowsky
- 13:04:23 [fjh]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/0025.html
- 13:04:43 [tlr]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/0025.html
- 13:04:49 [jcc]
- TOPIC: 2) Review and Approval of WG minutes
- 13:05:04 [tlr]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/0012.html
- 13:05:08 [tlr]
- (minutes from last week)
- 13:05:23 [jcc]
- are posted changes to the canonicalizations. They were not in the minutes.
- 13:05:47 [tlr]
- s/are posted/hal: there were/
- 13:05:47 [jcc]
- fjh: minutes approved
- 13:06:16 [jcc]
- action: fjh to post the changes to canonicalization process
- 13:06:16 [trackbot-ng]
- Sorry, couldn't find user - fjh
- 13:06:19 [Zakim]
- +??P20
- 13:06:58 [fjh]
- ACTION: Frederick to post red-line link for C14N11
- 13:06:58 [trackbot-ng]
- Created ACTION-25 - Post red-line link for C14N11 [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2007-05-22].
- 13:07:15 [fjh]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:07:15 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas, JuanCarlosCruellas, SeanMullen, GregWhitehead, EdSimon, RobMiller, Hal_Lockhart, GilesHogben, PHB, ??P20
- 13:07:17 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see ghogben3, rdm2, grw, hal, PHB, sean, EdS, rdm, fjh, jcc, PeterL, tlr, RRSAgent, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot-ng
- 13:07:45 [klanz2]
- My audio device has problems
- 13:07:52 [klanz2]
- yes
- 13:07:56 [tlr]
- zakim, ??P20 is klanz2
- 13:07:56 [Zakim]
- +klanz2; got it
- 13:08:08 [klanz2]
- and the IRC runs via vpn on aother machine
- 13:08:31 [jcc]
- resolution: minutes of May 2nd and 3rd face to face meeting were approved
- 13:09:25 [fjh]
- zakim, where am i?
- 13:09:25 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, fjh.
- 13:09:30 [tlr]
- zakim, bookmark?
- 13:09:30 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, tlr.
- 13:09:33 [tlr]
- rrsagent, bookmark?
- 13:09:33 [RRSAgent]
- See http://www.w3.org/2007/05/15-xmlsec-irc#T13-09-33
- 13:09:34 [fjh]
- rrsagent, where am i?
- 13:09:34 [RRSAgent]
- See http://www.w3.org/2007/05/15-xmlsec-irc#T13-09-34
- 13:09:46 [jcc]
- TOPIC: 3) Future WG Meetings
- 13:09:59 [jcc]
- fjh: will be out, Thomas will chair the two next meetings
- 13:10:19 [jcc]
- ACTION-3: closed
- 13:10:28 [klanz2]
- zakim, unmute me
- 13:10:28 [Zakim]
- klanz2 was not muted, klanz2
- 13:11:03 [jcc]
- ACTION-4: closed; fjh updated the homepage.
- 13:11:32 [jcc]
- ACTION-5: open for finishing.
- 13:12:09 [jcc]
- ACTION-6: open. Konrad will complete in the next week
- 13:12:23 [jcc]
- ACTION-8: closed as part of the editorial update
- 13:12:28 [klanz2]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:12:28 [Zakim]
- klanz2 should now be muted
- 13:13:07 [jcc]
- ACTION-9: closed. Sent email to the list
- 13:13:46 [fjh]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/0022.html
- 13:13:52 [jcc]
- tlr: asks Sean to pass the link of the message
- 13:14:23 [jcc]
- ACTION-12: open. fjh has been working on it...almost done
- 13:14:32 [jcc]
- ACTION-13: closed
- 13:15:47 [jcc]
- ACTION-15: closed; done it 2007-05-14 call.
- 13:15:56 [tlr]
- q+
- 13:16:23 [jcc]
- the coordination group will take care of security issues
- 13:17:25 [jcc]
- ... fjh: when a charter is created it should include security considerations and how this will be done...
- 13:17:35 [tlr]
- s/the coord/fjh: the coord/
- 13:17:42 [tlr]
- s/... fjh: when/... when/
- 13:17:45 [jcc]
- fjh: ... and the coordination group would take care of this.
- 13:17:53 [tlr]
- s/fjh: .../... /
- 13:17:58 [tlr]
- q?
- 13:18:22 [fjh]
- ed: should have permanent security group to review materials
- 13:18:27 [tlr]
- hal: +1 to ed
- 13:18:50 [tlr]
- ... also errata handling ...
- 13:18:50 [jcc]
- hal: seconds the idea, and also to be in the position of receiving errata of security specifications
- 13:19:19 [jcc]
- ed: the group should be the place where the policies and processes are reviewed
- 13:19:56 [jcc]
- tlr: this is a useful proposal and this could be part of the outcome to be produced by the group
- 13:20:21 [jcc]
- tlr: question to Frederick, what documentation?
- 13:20:53 [jcc]
- what documentation should be managed? only minutes or others?
- 13:21:24 [jcc]
- fjh: we should draft a note...
- 13:21:41 [jcc]
- tlr: we could capture text from minutes and generate the note.
- 13:21:43 [Zakim]
- +??P27
- 13:21:58 [PeterL]
- zakim, ??P27 is peter_Lipp
- 13:21:58 [Zakim]
- +peter_Lipp; got it
- 13:22:34 [jcc]
- fjh: the group should start indicating what the issues are and then we will receive indications of what to do.
- 13:23:01 [tlr]
- ACTION: thomas to draft CG note draft for submission to XML CG - due 2007-06-20
- 13:23:01 [trackbot-ng]
- Created ACTION-26 - draft CG note draft for submission to XML CG [on Thomas Roessler - due 2007-06-20].
- 13:23:02 [PeterL]
- zakim, nick PeterL is peter_Lipp
- 13:23:02 [Zakim]
- ok, PeterL, I now associate you with peter_Lipp
- 13:23:48 [jcc]
- ACTION-16: closed
- 13:23:58 [jcc]
- ACTION-17: open
- 13:24:13 [klanz2]
- zakim, unmute me
- 13:24:13 [Zakim]
- klanz2 should no longer be muted
- 13:24:15 [jcc]
- ACTION-18: open
- 13:24:22 [jcc]
- ACTION-19: open
- 13:24:25 [tlr]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:24:25 [Zakim]
- sorry, tlr, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
- 13:24:27 [klanz2]
- ongoing
- 13:24:30 [jcc]
- ACTION-20: done
- 13:24:30 [tlr]
- zakim, mute thomas
- 13:24:30 [Zakim]
- Thomas should now be muted
- 13:24:46 [klanz2]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:24:46 [Zakim]
- klanz2 should now be muted
- 13:25:01 [jcc]
- fjh: we will indicate when we can meet.
- 13:25:06 [tlr]
- zakim, unmuteme
- 13:25:06 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'unmuteme', tlr
- 13:25:13 [tlr]
- zakim, unmute thomas
- 13:25:13 [Zakim]
- Thomas should no longer be muted
- 13:25:49 [jcc]
- fjh: when we will know when we will meet in November plenary
- 13:26:03 [jcc]
- tlr: in the next few months...+
- 13:26:11 [jcc]
- ACTION-21: closed
- 13:26:20 [jcc]
- ACTION-22: open
- 13:27:02 [jcc]
- ACTION-23: proposal for qnames. Frederick was not sure of the action on that issue
- 13:27:15 [jcc]
- fjh: it is a timing issue ....
- 13:27:19 [tlr]
- q+
- 13:27:53 [PHB]
- qnames should not be used as data
- 13:28:23 [jcc]
- qnames are prefixed or unprefixed, this introduces some ambiguity
- 13:28:26 [PHB]
- The prefix namespaces do not work within the data space
- 13:28:30 [hal]
- q+
- 13:28:39 [PHB]
- There is an AB finding on the topic
- 13:28:55 [fjh]
- s/AB/TAG/
- 13:29:41 [jcc]
- qnames may be prefixed or unprefixed, and the issue is on prefixed qnames
- 13:29:43 [tlr]
- EdSimon: Said qnames are prefixed or unprefixed; didn't talk about ambiguity. The concern is about prefixed qnames in data space. It's an issue I thought about during the last week WRT c14n
- 13:29:44 [PHB]
- The point here was that there should be a note in the C18N section to the effect that prefixes will break, and protocols should avoid them per the TAG
- 13:29:58 [tlr]
- hal: Don't agree that only prefixed names are a problem
- 13:30:08 [tlr]
- s/C18N/C14N/
- 13:30:28 [jcc]
- fjh: does not think this affects canonicalization
- 13:30:41 [fjh]
- s/does not think/asks whether/
- 13:30:49 [tlr]
- q+ to ask whether this is considered critical path for C14N 1.1
- 13:31:09 [fjh]
- greg: treat as best practice
- 13:31:10 [jcc]
- Greg: provide a best practice document
- 13:31:32 [klanz2]
- zakim, unmute me
- 13:31:32 [Zakim]
- klanz2 should no longer be muted
- 13:31:35 [klanz2]
- q+
- 13:31:49 [klanz2]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:31:49 [Zakim]
- klanz2 should now be muted
- 13:32:02 [tlr]
- ack tlr
- 13:32:02 [Zakim]
- tlr, you wanted to ask whether this is considered critical path for C14N 1.1
- 13:32:11 [hal]
- q -
- 13:32:37 [hal]
- q-
- 13:33:10 [fjh]
- q+
- 13:33:12 [jcc]
- tlr: we should advice core group as soon as we can on the issues we identify
- 13:33:14 [klanz2]
- zakim, unmute me
- 13:33:14 [Zakim]
- klanz2 should no longer be muted
- 13:33:27 [EdS]
- q+
- 13:33:37 [tlr]
- nah... we can always ask politely.
- 13:33:51 [fjh]
- konrad suggests only formal objection possible now
- 13:34:04 [klanz2]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:34:04 [Zakim]
- klanz2 should now be muted
- 13:34:25 [tlr]
- fjh, speaking as self: don't think we need to do more, rather do best practice approach
- 13:34:30 [jcc]
- fjh: as Frederick, would prefer the best practice approahc
- 13:34:48 [fjh]
- q?
- 13:34:51 [tlr]
- EdSimon: proposed changes to c14n would need to be broader; rather thinking of C14N 2.0
- 13:34:51 [fjh]
- ack klanz
- 13:34:52 [jcc]
- ed: canonicalization is so broad that he is thinking in canonicalization 2.0
- 13:34:57 [tlr]
- ... don't expect resolution near-term ...
- 13:34:58 [fjh]
- ack Frederick_Hirsch
- 13:35:02 [fjh]
- ack EdSimon
- 13:35:04 [fjh]
- q?
- 13:35:04 [klanz2]
- zakim, mute e
- 13:35:05 [Zakim]
- EdSimon should now be muted
- 13:35:10 [tlr]
- q+ to note that this sounds like a proposal for further work
- 13:35:14 [klanz2]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:35:14 [Zakim]
- klanz2 should now be muted
- 13:35:27 [jcc]
- fjh: can we agree on that?
- 13:35:35 [Zakim]
- + +1.514.861.aaff
- 13:35:43 [tlr]
- zakim, aaff is DonEastlake
- 13:35:43 [Zakim]
- +DonEastlake; got it
- 13:36:10 [jcc]
- fjh: can we agree on the best practice issue?
- 13:36:14 [tlr]
- q=
- 13:36:15 [tlr]
- q?
- 13:36:26 [tlr]
- q-
- 13:36:39 [tlr]
- RESOLUTION: We are not going to bring qnames in content to XML Core, but rather feed that into best practices.
- 13:36:45 [jcc]
- RESOLUTION: we are not going to bring the qname issue to the core group but be part of the best practices
- 13:36:59 [tlr]
- s/RESOLUTION: We are not going to bring qnames in content to XML Core, but rather feed that into best practices.//
- 13:37:11 [jcc]
- this is something that we must notice this issue...
- 13:37:24 [klanz2]
- phil
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- 13:37:34 [EdS]
- Ed: I strongly agree with Phill.
- 13:37:46 [jcc]
- phil: sligthly more than best practices: something that has to be noted as property of the algorithm
- 13:37:53 [EdS]
- q+
- 13:37:57 [klanz2]
- q+
- 13:37:58 [jcc]
- phil: it is a consequence of the XML...
- 13:38:09 [jcc]
- phil: we should provide more information .....
- 13:38:18 [tlr]
- q+
- 13:38:26 [jcc]
- fjh: is it possible to provide more text for CN14.1
- 13:38:28 [EdS]
- q-
- 13:39:39 [jcc]
- tlr: we need to coordinate with core as they have been waiting for us
- 13:39:59 [jcc]
- greg: i would think that the note would be rather simple....
- 13:40:30 [jcc]
- greg: using qnames values in data then you must use the implicit namespace or the prefixes may not be captured
- 13:40:49 [jcc]
- greg: just pointing what is not obviuos for all the people
- 13:41:11 [EdS]
- +1 to greg
- 13:41:13 [jcc]
- phil: best practices suggest that you have options
- 13:41:28 [klanz2]
- q+
- 13:41:51 [jcc]
- hal: there are aspects to basic XML semantics, security considerations...
- 13:42:09 [jcc]
- hal: do we want to discuss this now? is a lengthy discussion
- 13:42:37 [jcc]
- fjh: this is an important topic and we have to discuss....maybe in the next call
- 13:42:50 [EdS]
- q+
- 13:42:52 [fjh]
- ack klanz
- 13:42:54 [klanz2]
- zakim, unmute me
- 13:42:54 [Zakim]
- klanz2 was not muted, klanz2
- 13:42:57 [tlr]
- ack tlr
- 13:43:01 [fjh]
- ack tlr
- 13:43:35 [klanz2]
- q-
- 13:43:39 [jcc]
- konrad: no syntactical means for distinguighing
- 13:43:57 [jcc]
- ...prefixed from unprefixed qnames...
- 13:44:05 [klanz2]
- +1 to fjh
- 13:44:45 [jcc]
- ed: maybe we ....
- 13:44:45 [klanz2]
- to distinguish from other data that may also look like prefixed names
- 13:44:58 [klanz2]
- eg: urn:somename
- 13:45:06 [jcc]
- ed: should get broader attention to this as this may not be an issue only on one type of canonicalization algorithm
- 13:45:11 [tlr]
- q+ to note that c14N 1.1 is actually explicit
- 13:45:51 [hal]
- q+
- 13:46:01 [jcc]
- phil: when applying transforms, and you use prefixed qnames, then you have to take into account how to deal with them..
- 13:46:12 [EdS]
- Ed: qname discussion not likely to be resolved in short order; will likely lead to significant discussion. I suggest capping c14n 1.1, and getting to work on c14n 2.0 ASAP.
- 13:46:33 [hal]
- +1
- 13:46:46 [tlr]
- ack tlr
- 13:46:46 [Zakim]
- tlr, you wanted to note that c14N 1.1 is actually explicit
- 13:47:17 [jcc]
- tlr: supports moving on, and support not asking for an explicit remark to be added...
- 13:47:22 [EdS]
- q-
- 13:47:25 [fjh]
- ack EdSimon
- 13:47:40 [klanz2]
- +1 to tlr
- 13:48:02 [fjh]
- tlr: table qname issues for now, leave C14N11 as now, future work item
- 13:48:06 [jcc]
- tlr: if this is relevant, then we should include it for future work... leave C14n1 as it is
- 13:48:21 [tlr]
- q?
- 13:48:36 [jcc]
- hal: agrees moving on.
- 13:48:37 [tlr]
- ack hal_lockhart
- 13:48:47 [tlr]
- fjh: phill, can you live with this?
- 13:48:50 [tlr]
- phill: yeah *sigh*
- 13:49:16 [jcc]
- fjh: consider whether to do anything with sig or...
- 13:49:31 [jcc]
- RESOLUTION: not to feed C14n1
- 13:49:40 [jcc]
- RESOLUTION: not to feed C14n1 on the qnames issue
- 13:49:51 [klanz2]
- shall we distill some thing for the future work now from this discussion
- 13:49:52 [grw]
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- 13:50:19 [jcc]
- ACTION-23: closed
- 13:50:24 [hal]
- q+
- 13:50:56 [hal]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/qnameids.html
- 13:50:59 [jcc]
- hal: mentions some text on qnames...
- 13:51:07 [jcc]
- ACTION-24: closed
- 13:51:17 [jcc]
- fjh: asks to complete the questionnaire on interop.
- 13:51:34 [jcc]
- TOPIC: 5) Editorial Status
- 13:51:51 [jcc]
- fjh: asks to review the editorial material circulated. Not possible to discuss it now
- 13:52:01 [jcc]
- TOPIC: 5a) Review status of XML Signature draft
- 13:52:01 [jcc]
- TOPIC: 5b) Review status Decryption Transform draft
- 13:52:01 [EdS]
- I share Phill's sigh. From my review of c14n 1.1, uddi c14n (http://www.uddi.org/pubs/SchemaCentricCanonicalization-20020710.htm), and the qname issue, my strong initial impression is that it will be best to move from c14n 1.1 to c14n 2.0 ASAP.
- 13:52:26 [jcc]
- TOPIC: 7. Workshop Planning
- 13:52:38 [jcc]
- fjh: two or three proposals for workshops?
- 13:52:48 [jcc]
- fjh: Austria, Spain, California...
- 13:52:54 [klanz2]
- zakim, unmute me
- 13:52:54 [Zakim]
- klanz2 was not muted, klanz2
- 13:53:07 [tlr]
- peterlipp: would be willing to host in Graz
- 13:53:09 [jcc]
- PeterL: offers Austria (Graz)
- 13:53:22 [klanz2]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:53:22 [Zakim]
- klanz2 should now be muted
- 13:53:24 [jcc]
- fjh: how many days? assumed 2 or 3
- 13:53:41 [jcc]
- tlr mentioned typically 2
- 13:53:47 [jcc]
- what about preparation day?
- 13:53:56 [tlr]
- fjh: do we need face-to-face processing time?
- 13:54:03 [tlr]
- ... any difference to the folks who would host?
- 13:54:07 [tlr]
- hal: no difference to us
- 13:54:10 [tlr]
- peter: no problem
- 13:54:14 [jcc]
- PeterLipp: does not care on the days.
- 13:54:17 [tlr]
- juanCC: can do 3
- 13:54:42 [jcc]
- tlr: three months in advance it announces the workshop
- 13:55:04 [jcc]
- tlr: not earlier than September.
- 13:55:24 [jcc]
- fjh: people think on time.
- 13:55:34 [jcc]
- fjh: avoid first week of September
- 13:55:40 [klanz2]
- zakim, unmute me
- 13:55:40 [Zakim]
- klanz2 should no longer be muted
- 13:55:53 [klanz2]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:55:53 [Zakim]
- klanz2 should now be muted
- 13:55:56 [jcc]
- fjh: Konrad constraints existent
- 13:56:08 [jcc]
- PeterLipp: only the first week of september is difficult
- 13:56:11 [jcc]
- q+
- 13:56:33 [jcc]
- fjh: might be an advantage having in Europe for attracting European people...
- 13:56:38 [ghogben3]
- q+
- 13:56:49 [tlr]
- q?
- 13:56:50 [fjh]
- q?
- 13:56:55 [jcc]
- fjh: would producing a questionnaire for getting information be a good idea?
- 13:57:13 [fjh]
- ack Hal_Lockhart
- 13:58:33 [jcc]
- tlr: if we konw that a big part of XML security community is on West Coast, that would be a good reason...
- 13:59:06 [jcc]
- ... for having it there, on the other side if having it in Europe would attract European people in a relevant enough number....
- 13:59:14 [jcc]
- that would be a reason for Europe.
- 13:59:27 [fjh]
- ack JuanCarlosCruellas
- 13:59:28 [jcc]
- fjh: agree not to do in the first week of September?
- 13:59:36 [hal]
- q+
- 13:59:57 [fjh]
- generally agreed not to have 1st week of september
- 14:00:22 [fjh]
- Juan Carlos: Has to make bookings in advance, has made bookings. Needs to know in advance, October possible
- 14:00:56 [tlr]
- q+ to ask for clarification
- 14:01:24 [fjh]
- ack GilesHogben
- 14:01:38 [jcc]
- tlr: make a poll on the email
- 14:01:45 [jcc]
- ... for the location
- 14:02:20 [ghogben3]
- add October?
- 14:02:35 [fjh]
- ack Hal_Lockhart
- 14:02:37 [jcc]
- tlr: first week of October also possible.
- 14:02:39 [fjh]
- ack tlr
- 14:02:39 [Zakim]
- tlr, you wanted to ask for clarification
- 14:02:57 [jcc]
- Hal: relevant input coming from people that have implementation?
- 14:03:08 [jcc]
- tlr: good qu3estion, discuss it through email
- 14:03:15 [tlr]
- ACTION: thomas to put up WBS for known constraints in SeptembeR/October
- 14:03:15 [trackbot-ng]
- Created ACTION-27 - Put up WBS for known constraints in SeptembeR/October [on Thomas Roessler - due 2007-05-22].
- 14:03:36 [jcc]
- fjh: review the links in the agenda and take a look to the material linked.
- 14:03:44 [jcc]
- fjh: ajourns the meeting.
- 14:03:50 [Zakim]
- -Hal_Lockhart
- 14:03:52 [Zakim]
- -SeanMullen
- 14:03:52 [klanz2]
- thanks bye
- 14:03:53 [Zakim]
- -GregWhitehead
- 14:03:55 [Zakim]
- -RobMiller
- 14:03:57 [Zakim]
- -peter_Lipp
- 14:03:58 [Zakim]
- -GilesHogben
- 14:03:59 [Zakim]
- -klanz2
- 14:04:02 [Zakim]
- -PHB
- 14:04:08 [Zakim]
- -EdSimon
- 14:04:19 [tlr]
- zakim, list participants?
- 14:04:19 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, tlr.
- 14:04:24 [tlr]
- zakim, list participants
- 14:04:24 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas, JuanCarlosCruellas, +1.781.442.aaaa, SeanMullen, +1.650.380.aabb, EdSimon, +1.443.695.aacc, GregWhitehead,
- 14:04:27 [Zakim]
- ... RobMiller, Hal_Lockhart, +30281039aadd, GilesHogben, +1.781.306.aaee, PHB, klanz2, peter_Lipp, +1.514.861.aaff, DonEastlake
- 14:04:32 [tlr]
- rrsagent, please draft minutes
- 14:04:32 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/15-xmlsec-minutes.html tlr
- 14:05:19 [tlr]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 14:05:19 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas, JuanCarlosCruellas, DonEastlake
- 14:06:23 [tlr]
- zakim, excuse us
- 14:06:23 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees were Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas, JuanCarlosCruellas, +1.781.442.aaaa, SeanMullen, +1.650.380.aabb, EdSimon, +1.443.695.aacc, GregWhitehead,
- 14:06:23 [Zakim]
- Zakim has left #xmlsec
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- ... RobMiller, Hal_Lockhart, +30281039aadd, GilesHogben, +1.781.306.aaee, PHB, klanz2, peter_Lipp, +1.514.861.aaff, DonEastlake
- 14:06:28 [tlr]
- rrsagent, bye
- 14:06:28 [RRSAgent]
- I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/15-xmlsec-actions.rdf :
- 14:06:28 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: fjh to post the changes to canonicalization process [1]
- 14:06:28 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/15-xmlsec-irc#T13-06-16
- 14:06:28 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Frederick to post red-line link for C14N11 [2]
- 14:06:28 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/15-xmlsec-irc#T13-06-58
- 14:06:28 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: thomas to draft CG note draft for submission to XML CG - due 2007-06-20 [3]
- 14:06:28 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/15-xmlsec-irc#T13-23-01
- 14:06:28 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: thomas to put up WBS for known constraints in SeptembeR/October [4]
- 14:06:28 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/15-xmlsec-irc#T14-03-15
- 14:06:30 [tlr]
- 781.426.3109