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15:58:20 <ht> zakim, please call ht-781
15:58:20 <Zakim> ok, ht; the call is being made
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16:01:15 <noah> zakim, [IBMCambridge] is me
16:01:18 <Zakim> +noah; got it
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16:06:03 <timbl> timbl has changed the topic to: TAG weekly meeting  - Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/tag-weekly
16:06:12 <dorchard> topic: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/05/14-agenda
16:06:39 <ht> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/04/30-minutes.html
16:06:42 <dorchard> chair: ht
16:06:49 <dorchard> regrets: stuart
16:07:25 <dorchard> action: minutes of 05/14 approved
16:07:52 <dorchard> topic: May 21st meeting
16:08:12 <dorchard> regrets for May 21: dorchard
16:08:48 <timbl> FTR, my regrets will be for 28th
16:08:59 <ht> http://www.ariadne.ac.uk/issue51/thompson/
16:09:03 <noah> Note that 28 May is US Memorial day, as well as being 2 days before F2F
16:09:19 <Zakim> +Norm
16:10:57 <dorchard> topic: Public issues list
16:11:11 <noah> I recall that in Cambridge, we discussed having a Web page that would be sort of "The TAG introduces the Web"
16:11:13 <dorchard> ht proposes a public place that's more "usable" by the public
16:12:20 <DanC_lap> our most recent monthly summary is another candidate for "what's going on?"
16:12:26 <noah> I also find the TAG home page sort of bland and not very helpful.
16:12:50 <dorchard> dorchard: Issues list has been useful for TAG members
16:13:05 <dorchard> dorchard: it's useful but not for the general public
16:13:22 <dorchard> ht: would like to find out who has obligation to review.
16:13:38 <DanC_lap> (I'd expect to find "obligation to review" as actions.)
16:13:46 <timbl> What then is the 'action ites' column?
16:14:24 <dorchard> dorchard: I think this is for actions
16:14:57 <dorchard> danc_lap: can look by owner for actions
16:15:17 <ht> OK, so I now see the 'actions' link in today's agenda, which does show e.g. NW's action to review XMLVersioning-41
16:15:27 <ht> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/actions#URNsAndRegistries-50
16:16:10 <dorchard> noah: doing this "current state" is hard to do well.
16:16:18 <timbl> hmmm
16:17:50 <dorchard> f2f agenda bashing...
16:19:02 <timbl> q+
16:19:11 <ht> ack timbl
16:20:44 <dorchard> RESOLUTION: Session on F2F on Naming and Virtual Worlds
16:21:42 <ht> s/Session on/TAG would like a session at/
16:22:23 <dorchard> topic: F2F Preparation
16:22:53 <ht> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/05/29-agenda
16:23:45 <Norm> zakim, who's on the phone?
16:23:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see TimBL, Ht, noah, DanC, Dave_Orchard, Norm
16:24:17 <dorchard> topic: Deferencing HTTP URIs
16:25:00 <dorchard> ht: I'm not sure what the real resolution is wrt frag-ids
16:25:19 <dorchard> ht: I think that different people in the room thought different things, and we agreed to not discuss
16:25:32 <dorchard> ht: my goal is to resolve this.
16:26:20 <dorchard> norm: support revisiting as henry has suggested
16:26:40 <timbl> Needs a piinter to th edraft
16:28:16 <timbl>  Draft finding on httpRange-14
16:28:16 <timbl> Date: 2007-03-27 9:26:52 EDT
16:28:16 <timbl> To:   tag@w3.org
16:28:28 <dorchard> danc_lap: will act as guinea pig and review ..
16:28:35 <timbl> From:   rhys@volantis.com
16:29:14 <dorchard> danc_lap: as long as it appears in public..
16:30:50 <dorchard> topic: HTML Design Principles and Web Architecture
16:31:01 <dorchard> ht: what are the goals for this session?
16:31:16 <dorchard> danc_lap: had to ask group to stop talking about this..
16:31:55 <dorchard> ht: started from "version identifiers" are good, and HTML said "we dooonn need no steeeenking version identifiers"
16:32:30 <dorchard> ht: is there a principled reason why VIs don't apply for HTML?
16:32:42 <noah> q+ to ask what recommends vis?
16:33:25 <timbl> B:  Good stuff. As demoed at a  [http://esw.w3.org/topic/CambridgeSemanticWebGatherings|Cambridge SW Gathering]
16:33:39 <DanC_lap> "A data format specification SHOULD provide for version information." -- http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/#pr-version-info
16:33:40 <timbl> ooops
16:35:07 <dorchard> noah: not quite how I'd say that..
16:35:43 <dorchard> ht: should web arch back down, or can we qualify this?
16:35:50 <timbl> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/actions_owner.html
16:36:05 <timbl> ^ TAG actions by owner
16:36:07 <DanC_lap> (I asked about #pr-version-info in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Mar/0042.html )
16:37:16 <dorchard> Topic: Versioning 
16:38:55 <dorchard> dorchard: Would you like to get plan for completion of findings.
16:39:08 <dorchard> dorchard: what's missing, what's extra, what's left to do.
16:40:19 <dorchard> Topic: Self-Describing Web 
16:40:32 <Zakim> +Raman
16:40:57 <dorchard> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#ultimateQuestion-42
16:41:08 <noah> I think the topic: is actually F2F agenda, self-describing Web
16:42:18 <timbl> s/kinda//
16:42:25 <timbl> s/kinda sortof///
16:43:41 <dorchard> noah: It's become titled self-describing web, which I'm happy about.
16:44:08 <dorchard> Raman: what about XML Versioning?
16:45:06 <dorchard> Raman: would like to have the answer to whether HTML follows Web architecture
16:45:19 <ht> s/XML Versioning/XML Versioning and TagSoup/
16:46:11 <dorchard> Raman: interested in having hixsie present for a few hours?
16:46:44 <dorchard> action: stuart to add an agenda item for May 21 to consider inviting hixsie to html/xml tag soup versioning
16:47:23 <ht> s/hixsie/outside expert/
16:47:31 <timbl> q+ to mention possible meetings competing with TAG at Google
16:47:44 <ht> s/outside expert/outside expert(s)/
16:47:51 <dorchard> action: HT to talk stuart to add an agenda item for May 21 to consider inviting hixsie to html/xml tag soup versioning
16:48:07 <dorchard>  action: HT to talk stuart to add an agenda item for May 21 to consider inviting outside expert to html/xml tag soup versioning
16:48:10 <ht> q- noah
16:48:21 <ht> ack timbl
16:48:21 <Zakim> timbl, you wanted to mention possible meetings competing with TAG at Google
16:51:05 <timbl> My flight out AA  FLT:194  LV SFO, AR BOS 10:45PM
16:51:05 <timbl> scheduled 2007-06-01 from 17:10 to 22:45
16:51:05 <timbl>  SEAT-9E
16:51:43 <timbl> ie 2:10 pm 
16:51:59 <DanC_lap> I leave SFO 635P http://www.w3.org/2007/06dc-sfo/sfo1.html   
16:52:13 <dorchard> raman: suggest meeting at 8 and have breakfast at google.
16:52:33 <DanC_lap> 8am breakfast @ google ok by me.
16:54:02 <dorchard> ht: this works?
16:55:13 <dorchard> dorchard: this works for me for thur/fri. 
16:55:27 <dorchard> dorchard: wed I arrive around 10 am into SFO.
16:56:53 <dorchard> resolution: early thursday dinner
16:57:28 <dorchard> RESOLUTION: early thursday dinner
16:59:42 <dorchard> ht: for the f2f, would like to have some resolution to the two parts of URNRegistries-50
17:00:11 <dorchard> raman: back to logistics, interested in having a guest at the dinner
17:01:33 <dorchard> tag: not much general objection..
17:01:54 <dorchard> ht: back to the f2f, xml-functions how to go forward
17:02:54 <ht> s/how to go forward/agreement on scope/
17:03:17 <dorchard> topic: URNsAndRegistries-50 
17:05:24 <dorchard> ht: Dave, with help from Henry, followed the public documents on XRIs
17:05:35 <dorchard> ht: should this be in the finding?
17:06:13 <dorchard> ht: gaps, things like, arbitrars page is under construction
17:06:50 <dorchard> ht: appears to be quite parallel to DNS
17:07:40 <dorchard> ht: doesn't appear to be a reason to publish..
17:09:46 <dorchard> dorchard: some stuff about why some of the material needs to be published..
17:10:18 <dorchard> ht: doesn't need to have detailed follow-nose and who works for who published
17:11:38 <dorchard> topic:  XMLVersioning-41
17:12:36 <dorchard> dorchard: Action of Apr 28th discharged
17:12:52 <dorchard> dorchard: Action to dorchard of Apr 28th is discharged
17:13:03 <dorchard> action to Norm of Apr 28th is discharged
17:15:47 <dorchard> dorchard: what are the diffs between top/bottom subst groups
17:15:57 <dorchard> ht: continuum is that more info in type is top typing
17:16:32 <dorchard> noah: slightly different, you will see underneat the "name" all sorts of things, and the top will be invariant on the "bottom" typing
17:16:59 <dorchard> noah: in top typing, the top name will vary ie Name, JapaneseName..
17:17:52 <dorchard> dorchard: Isn't this just recursive?
17:18:17 <dorchard> noah: I have animals, concrete is fish, cat, dog, then appendages, which become feet, trunks, tails..
17:18:46 <dorchard> noah: tend to find Names to be top typing..
17:19:24 <dorchard> ht: in the top down case, you will expect to see the replacement in all kinds of different places.
17:19:38 <dorchard> ht: because there are many places where Names occur...
17:19:53 <dorchard> ht: JapaneseNames could occur in address, headers, ...
17:20:02 <dorchard> ht: lots of places.
17:20:17 <dorchard> ht: in bottom up pattern, the place where variation happens is always the same.
17:20:27 <dorchard> ht: it provides the context for the variation..
17:21:41 <dorchard> dorchard: should include this in version-xml and make sure the 2 types are distinguished properly
17:25:35 <dorchard> dorchard: will produce revised Versioning-XML for May 18th
17:28:54 <dorchard> RESOLUTION: will produce revised Versioning-XML for May 18th
17:31:40 <dorchard> RESOLUTION: will produce revised Versioning for May 18th
17:31:48 <Zakim> -Dave_Orchard
17:31:55 <Zakim> -Norm
17:32:01 <Zakim> -noah
17:32:06 <dorchard> ACTION: dorchard to produce revised Versioning-part1 and Versioning-XML for May 18th
17:32:24 <Zakim> -Ht
17:32:36 <dorchard> rrsagent, generate minutes
17:32:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/14-tagmem-minutes.html dorchard
17:36:52 <Zakim> -TimBL
17:36:54 <Zakim> -DanC
17:37:00 <Zakim> -Raman
17:37:01 <Zakim> TAG_Weekly()12:00PM has ended
17:37:02 <Zakim> Attendees were TimBL, Ht, noah, Norm, DanC, Dave_Orchard, Raman
17:47:05 <ht> rrsagent, make logs public
17:47:21 <ht> There, dave, now you can edit
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