IRC log of i18nits on 2007-05-09

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13:53:27 [fsasaki]

meeting: i18n ITS WG

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chair: Yves

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scribe: Felix

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scribeNick: fsasaki

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0028.html

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rrsagent, make log public

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present+ Yves, Felix

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regrets+ Jirka

14:00:10 [Zakim]

I18N_TS()10:00AM has now started

14:00:14 [YvesS]

sure.

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+Yves_Savourel

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-Yves_Savourel

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+Yves_Savourel

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+Felix

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+ +49.613.772.aaaa

14:01:12 [fsasaki]

present+ Andrzej

14:01:18 [YvesS]

zakim, who is here?

14:01:18 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Yves_Savourel, Felix, Andrzej

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On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki, YvesS

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topic: action items

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action: Everybody to look at the DocBook section from Jirka (ONGOING)

14:02:11 [YvesS]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0019.html

14:03:42 [fsasaki]

Felix: wondered which version Jirka thinks about

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Yves: version 5

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Felix: what about previous versions?

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Yves: question for Jirka

14:04:29 [fsasaki]

.. did not see an issue, only worried about the long list of non-translatable elements

14:04:57 [fsasaki]

.. losts of special tags are hard to know whether they are translatable or not

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.. we need to make sure that these are only seen as examples

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.. so next step: ask Jirka about the version, Felix will give him access to the editing directory

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action: Felix to prepare access for Jirka for the BP directory

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action: Everybody to think about the idea: consider to have all existing schemas "ITS+..." with only markup which is not already in the schema, e.g. "ITS+XHTML" without its:dir? And have a general guideline to do that for existing schemas. (ONGOING)

14:08:13 [fsasaki]

Yves: agree with the consideration, but we need also to describe the mapping between the format and the ITS data category

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.. otherwise, people can just remove the corresponding attribute from the ITS schemas for their customization

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14:09:15 [chriLi]

hi, sorry for being late. I currently don't have a phone.

14:10:16 [fsasaki]

Felix: we will need to modify the existing sections in the BP document if we agree on that

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Yves: btw., I reworked the DITA example

14:11:04 [Zakim]

+Christian

14:11:19 [chriLi]

no I have a phone

14:12:02 [fsasaki]

action: editors of BP document to change the descriptions of ITS+existing schemas to say that there is no need to have ITS attributes for existing markup, and have association rules instead

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action: Christian to send comment on EMMA (DONE)

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action: Everybody to look at SPARQL and the SPARQL result format for potential ITS review (PENDING)

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action: Everybody to look into XLIFF 1.2, TMX 2, SRX 2 (ONGOING)

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0029.html

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(comments from Yves on TMX)

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Andrzej: your comments look good to me

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Felix: +1

14:15:01 [YvesS]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0029.html

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Christian: have not looked at TMX so far

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Yves: we will wait for another week

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(nobody else looked at SRX or XLIFF 1.2 so far)

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action: Yves to look on Atom and the bidi attribute and possibly ITS in general (PENDING)

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topic: ISO and ITS

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0020.html

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Yves: is there a requirement for implementations?

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Felix: don't think so

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Christian: got some feedback internally, there will be some effort required

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.. like fill in forms, reform the spec

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Yves: we will make a final decision at the f2f meeting

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s/decision/decision about ITS as ISO/

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Yves: I know some ISO people and will contact them as well

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action: Yves to contact some ISO people about the "ITS as ISO standard" topic

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topic: Reviewing W3C Work for ITS

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http://www.w3.org/TR/#last-call

14:29:29 [fsasaki]

(discussion on CC/PP, no review seems necessary)

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topic: BP WD

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Yves: no changes recently

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Felix: how about some milestones for the document?

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Yves: yes, a first milestones would be Wd publication with DocBook section

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.. I'll add that to the agenda

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topic: f2f meeting

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agenda at http://www.w3.org/International/its/ftf-200705-Paris.html#Objective

14:33:00 [fsasaki]

ISO topic is already in agenda, "milestone" need to be added, Christian wanted also general organization of the WG

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Christian: would suggest that as a generic topic at the beginning

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.. maybe also a slot of briefing things related to ITS

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.. do we need a bridge during the meeting?

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Christian: in other (also not ITS f2f meetings), long calls where not productive

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agreement to reserve a bridge from 4:30-5:30 for Monday and Tuesday

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action: Felix to reserve a bridge from 4:30-5:30 for Monday and Tuesday

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topic: AOB

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Christian: submitted a draft for the OASIS day about ITS

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Felix: submitted something to Unicode also about ITS, was accepted

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-Christian

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-Yves_Savourel

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-Felix

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-Andrzej

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I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Yves_Savourel, Felix, +49.613.772.aaaa, Andrzej, Christian

14:42:25 [fsasaki]

s/OASIS day about ITS/OASIS day about ITS, will take about a month to get feedback/

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/09-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 10 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/09-i18nits-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Everybody to look at the DocBook section from Jirka (ONGOING) [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/09-i18nits-irc#T14-02-10

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ACTION: Felix to prepare access for Jirka for the BP directory [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/09-i18nits-irc#T14-06-55

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ACTION: Everybody to think about the idea: consider to have all existing schemas "ITS+..." with only markup which is not already in the schema, e.g. "ITS+XHTML" without its:dir? And have a general guideline to do that for existing schemas. (ONGOING) [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/09-i18nits-irc#T14-07-22

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ACTION: editors of BP document to change the descriptions of ITS+existing schemas to say that there is no need to have ITS attributes for existing markup, and have association rules instead [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/09-i18nits-irc#T14-12-02

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ACTION: Christian to send comment on EMMA (DONE) [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/09-i18nits-irc#T14-12-11

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ACTION: Everybody to look at SPARQL and the SPARQL result format for potential ITS review (PENDING) [6]

14:45:33 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/09-i18nits-irc#T14-13-03

14:45:33 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Everybody to look into XLIFF 1.2, TMX 2, SRX 2 (ONGOING) [7]

14:45:33 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/09-i18nits-irc#T14-13-24

14:45:33 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Yves to look on Atom and the bidi attribute and possibly ITS in general (PENDING) [8]

14:45:33 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/09-i18nits-irc#T14-16-06

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ACTION: Yves to contact some ISO people about the "ITS as ISO standard" topic [9]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/09-i18nits-irc#T14-26-11

14:45:33 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Felix to reserve a bridge from 4:30-5:30 for Monday and Tuesday [10]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/09-i18nits-irc#T14-38-56

14:45:37 [fsasaki]

zakim, bye

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