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13:53:27 <fsasaki> meeting: i18n ITS WG
13:53:29 <fsasaki> chair: Yves
13:53:31 <fsasaki> scribe: Felix
13:53:35 <fsasaki> scribeNick: fsasaki
13:53:40 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0028.html
13:53:50 <fsasaki> rrsagent, make log public
13:54:00 <fsasaki> present+ Yves, Felix
13:54:08 <fsasaki> regrets+ Jirka
14:00:10 <Zakim> I18N_TS()10:00AM has now started
14:00:14 <YvesS> sure.
14:00:17 <Zakim> +Yves_Savourel
14:00:39 <Zakim> -Yves_Savourel
14:00:40 <Zakim> +Yves_Savourel
14:00:41 <Zakim> +Felix
14:00:51 <Zakim> + +49.613.772.aaaa
14:01:12 <fsasaki> present+ Andrzej
14:01:18 <YvesS> zakim, who is here?
14:01:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see Yves_Savourel, Felix, Andrzej
14:01:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki, YvesS
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14:01:51 <fsasaki> topic: action items
14:02:10 <fsasaki> action: Everybody to look at the DocBook section from Jirka (ONGOING)
14:02:11 <YvesS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0019.html
14:03:42 <fsasaki> Felix: wondered which version Jirka thinks about
14:03:48 <fsasaki> Yves: version 5
14:03:59 <fsasaki> Felix: what about previous versions?
14:04:07 <fsasaki> Yves: question for Jirka
14:04:29 <fsasaki> .. did not see an issue, only worried about the long list of non-translatable elements
14:04:57 <fsasaki> .. losts of special tags are hard to know whether they are translatable or not
14:05:20 <fsasaki> .. we need to make sure that these are only seen as examples
14:05:58 <fsasaki> .. so next step: ask Jirka about the version, Felix will give him access to the editing directory
14:06:55 <fsasaki> action: Felix to prepare access for Jirka for the BP directory
14:07:22 <fsasaki> action: Everybody to think about the idea: consider to have all existing schemas "ITS+..." with only markup which is not already in the schema, e.g. "ITS+XHTML" without its:dir? And have a general guideline to do that for existing schemas. (ONGOING)
14:08:13 <fsasaki> Yves: agree with the consideration, but we need also to describe the mapping between the format and the ITS data category
14:08:41 <fsasaki> .. otherwise, people can just remove the corresponding attribute from the ITS schemas for their customization
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14:09:15 <chriLi> hi, sorry for being late. I currently don't have a phone.
14:10:16 <fsasaki> Felix: we will need to modify the existing sections in the BP document if we agree on that
14:10:48 <fsasaki> Yves: btw., I reworked the DITA example
14:11:04 <Zakim> +Christian
14:11:19 <chriLi> no I have a phone
14:12:02 <fsasaki> action: editors of BP document to change the descriptions of ITS+existing schemas to say that there is no need to have ITS attributes for existing markup, and have association rules instead
14:12:11 <fsasaki> action: Christian to send comment on EMMA (DONE)
14:13:03 <fsasaki> action: Everybody to look at SPARQL and the SPARQL result format for potential ITS review (PENDING)
14:13:24 <fsasaki> action: Everybody to look into XLIFF 1.2, TMX 2, SRX 2 (ONGOING)
14:13:33 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0029.html
14:13:50 <fsasaki> (comments from Yves on TMX)
14:14:48 <fsasaki> Andrzej: your comments look good to me
14:14:51 <fsasaki> Felix: +1
14:15:01 <YvesS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0029.html
14:15:14 <fsasaki> Christian: have not looked at TMX so far
14:15:20 <fsasaki> Yves: we will wait for another week
14:15:57 <fsasaki> (nobody else looked at SRX or XLIFF 1.2 so far)
14:16:06 <fsasaki> action: Yves to look on Atom and the bidi attribute and possibly ITS in general (PENDING)
14:16:27 <fsasaki> topic: ISO and ITS
14:18:01 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0020.html
14:21:50 <fsasaki> Yves: is there a requirement for implementations?
14:22:02 <fsasaki> Felix: don't think so
14:22:16 <fsasaki> Christian: got some feedback internally, there will be some effort required
14:22:25 <fsasaki> .. like fill in forms, reform the spec
14:25:26 <fsasaki> Yves: we will make a final decision at the f2f meeting
14:25:37 <fsasaki> s/decision/decision about ITS as ISO/
14:25:51 <fsasaki> Yves: I know some ISO people and will contact them as well
14:26:11 <fsasaki> action: Yves to contact some ISO people about the "ITS as ISO standard" topic
14:26:42 <fsasaki> topic: Reviewing W3C Work for ITS
14:27:01 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/TR/#last-call
14:29:29 <fsasaki> (discussion on CC/PP, no review seems necessary)
14:30:03 <fsasaki> topic: BP WD
14:30:38 <fsasaki> Yves: no changes recently
14:31:41 <fsasaki> Felix: how about some milestones for the document?
14:32:06 <fsasaki> Yves: yes, a first milestones would be Wd publication with DocBook section
14:32:12 <fsasaki> .. I'll add that to the agenda
14:32:15 <fsasaki> topic: f2f meeting
14:32:20 <fsasaki> agenda at http://www.w3.org/International/its/ftf-200705-Paris.html#Objective
14:33:00 <fsasaki> ISO topic is already in agenda, "milestone" need to be added, Christian wanted also general organization of the WG
14:33:27 <fsasaki> Christian: would suggest that as a generic topic at the beginning
14:34:22 <fsasaki> .. maybe also a slot of briefing things related to ITS
14:35:13 <fsasaki> .. do we need a bridge during the meeting?
14:36:21 <fsasaki> Christian: in other (also not ITS f2f meetings), long calls where not productive
14:38:40 <fsasaki> agreement to reserve a bridge from 4:30-5:30 for Monday and Tuesday
14:38:56 <fsasaki> action: Felix to reserve a bridge from 4:30-5:30 for Monday and Tuesday
14:41:08 <fsasaki> topic: AOB
14:41:25 <fsasaki> Christian: submitted a draft for the OASIS day about ITS
14:41:49 <fsasaki> Felix: submitted something to Unicode also about ITS, was accepted
14:42:04 <Zakim> -Christian
14:42:06 <Zakim> -Yves_Savourel
14:42:06 <Zakim> -Felix
14:42:15 <Zakim> -Andrzej
14:42:16 <Zakim> I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended
14:42:17 <Zakim> Attendees were Yves_Savourel, Felix, +49.613.772.aaaa, Andrzej, Christian
14:42:25 <fsasaki> s/OASIS day about ITS/OASIS day about ITS, will take about a month to get feedback/
14:42:30 <fsasaki> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:42:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/09-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
14:45:33 <fsasaki> rrsagent, bye
14:45:33 <RRSAgent> I see 10 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/09-i18nits-actions.rdf :
14:45:33 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Everybody to look at the DocBook section from Jirka (ONGOING) [1]
14:45:33 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/09-i18nits-irc#T14-02-10
14:45:33 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to prepare access for Jirka for the BP directory [2]
14:45:33 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/09-i18nits-irc#T14-06-55
14:45:33 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Everybody to think about the idea: consider to have all existing schemas "ITS+..." with only markup which is not already in the schema, e.g. "ITS+XHTML" without its:dir? And have a general guideline to do that for existing schemas. (ONGOING) [3]
14:45:33 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/09-i18nits-irc#T14-07-22
14:45:33 <RRSAgent> ACTION: editors of BP document to change the descriptions of ITS+existing schemas to say that there is no need to have ITS attributes for existing markup, and have association rules instead [4]
14:45:33 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/09-i18nits-irc#T14-12-02
14:45:33 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Christian to send comment on EMMA (DONE) [5]
14:45:33 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/09-i18nits-irc#T14-12-11
14:45:33 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Everybody to look at SPARQL and the SPARQL result format for potential ITS review (PENDING) [6]
14:45:33 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/09-i18nits-irc#T14-13-03
14:45:33 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Everybody to look into XLIFF 1.2, TMX 2, SRX 2 (ONGOING) [7]
14:45:33 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/09-i18nits-irc#T14-13-24
14:45:33 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to look on Atom and the bidi attribute and possibly ITS in general (PENDING) [8]
14:45:33 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/09-i18nits-irc#T14-16-06
14:45:33 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to contact some ISO people about the "ITS as ISO standard" topic [9]
14:45:33 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/09-i18nits-irc#T14-26-11
14:45:33 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to reserve a bridge from 4:30-5:30 for Monday and Tuesday [10]
14:45:33 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/09-i18nits-irc#T14-38-56
14:45:37 <fsasaki> zakim, bye
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