IRC log of swd on 2007-05-08

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15:02:43 [TomB]

rrsagent, bookmark

15:02:43 [RRSAgent]

See http://www.w3.org/2007/05/08-swd-irc#T15-02-43

15:02:49 [TomB]

zakim, this will be swd

15:02:54 [TomB]

Meeting: SWD WG

15:02:55 [Zakim]

ok, TomB, I see SW_SWD()11:00AM already started

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Chair: Tom

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+??P17

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007May/0002.html

15:04:13 [Zakim]

+abel

15:04:18 [berrueta]

Zakim: abel is me

15:04:21 [TomB]

Previous: http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html

15:04:27 [aliman]

zakim, P17 is really me

15:04:27 [Zakim]

sorry, aliman, I do not recognize a party named 'P17'

15:04:31 [TomB]

Regrets: Ralph, Vit

15:04:36 [TomB]

rrsagent, please make record public

15:04:40 [aliman]

zakim, ??P17 is really me

15:04:40 [Zakim]

+aliman; got it

15:04:44 [berrueta]

zakim, abel is really me

15:04:44 [Zakim]

+berrueta; got it

15:05:20 [Zakim]

+??P37

15:05:53 [JonP]

zakim, Jon_Phipps is me

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+JonP; got it

15:05:55 [aliman]

zakim, mute me

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aliman should now be muted

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+??P41

15:06:22 [aliman]

zakim, unmute me

15:06:25 [Zakim]

aliman should no longer be muted

15:06:31 [Simone]

Zakin, P41 is me

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zakim, mute ??P36

15:06:35 [Zakim]

??P36 should now be muted

15:06:39 [Simone]

Zakim, P41 is me

15:06:39 [Zakim]

sorry, Simone, I do not recognize a party named 'P41'

15:06:58 [aliman]

zakim, unmute ??P36

15:06:58 [Zakim]

??P36 should no longer be muted

15:07:07 [aliman]

zakim, ??P36 is really me

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+aliman; got it

15:08:14 [TomB]

scribenick: aliman

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Scribe: Alistair

15:08:37 [aliman]

TOPIC: ADMIN (10 min)

15:08:52 [aliman]

tomb: PROPOSED to accept minutes of 24 April telecon: http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html

15:08:57 [aliman]

daniel: second

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zakim, aliman.a is really daniel

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+daniel; got it

15:09:26 [aliman]

zakim, mute aliman

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aliman should now be muted

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+??P44

15:10:19 [aliman]

zakim, aliman.a is really alistair

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sorry, aliman, I do not recognize a party named 'aliman.a'

15:10:29 [kjetilk]

Zakim, ??P44 is me

15:10:29 [Zakim]

+kjetilk; got it

15:10:35 [aliman]

zakim, daniel is really alistair

15:10:35 [Zakim]

+alistair; got it

15:10:43 [aliman]

zakim, aliman is really daniel

15:10:43 [Zakim]

+daniel; got it

15:10:50 [aliman]

zakim, who is on the call

15:10:50 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'who is on the call', aliman

15:11:19 [aliman]

ACTION: TomB to start questionnaire on date for f2f -- options are weeks of Nov 4 and Nov 11 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html#action01]

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--continues

15:11:54 [aliman]

tomb: antoine is here ...

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TOPIC: SKOS

15:12:22 [aliman]

ACTION: Antoine to make a proposal about SKOS Use Case document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action03]

15:12:28 [Antoine]

http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/UCRMaterial?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ucr-20070508.html

15:13:48 [aliman]

--continues

15:13:50 [aliman]

antoine: current version of the draft, last modifications, in starting blocks, jon is ready to put on W3C web site. Porblem is we have no news from Sean, I pinged him at beginning of week, no news since then, maybe really busy, so I cannot propose anything for the moment. We have reached a version I'm happy with, better if had feedback from Sean.

15:13:58 [aliman]

tomb: when did sean take action

15:14:30 [aliman]

antoine: action to review was done, then guus suggested that we give answers to sean's comments, then wait for sean to say if happy or not with comments and modifications, not happened yet.

15:14:35 [aliman]

tomb: html?

15:14:43 [aliman]

antoine: in html, already prepared.

15:15:00 [aliman]

jon: go ahead and publish it, can revise if get further feedback from Sean.

15:15:37 [aliman]

tomb: I agree; this is dated May 8; I suggest we vote on this next week, make another try to get Sean's feedback.

15:15:59 [aliman]

jon: I think without Sean's feedback, 3 weeks into waiting for his response.

15:16:09 [aliman]

... inclined to publish at this point.

15:16:55 [aliman]

tomb: agree, but want to consult with ralph or guus. suggest we bookmark this, when guus arrives propose this be published, then go ahead and publish.

15:17:43 [aliman]

alistair: could schedule vote, next week as deadline for final comments.

15:17:57 [aliman]

tomb: take this as default, but if Guus turns up can talk about voting today.

15:18:10 [aliman]

ACTION: Guus revise his ISSUE-26 proposal to account for other options [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action07]

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--continues

15:18:25 [aliman]

ACTION: Alistair to write up two alternatives for representing Collections [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action08]

15:18:27 [aliman]

--done

15:19:18 [TomB]

Alistair: Sent Issue-33 proposal today - "minimal fix" and "bundle" proposals

15:20:06 [aliman]

tomb: continue discussion of issue 33 on the list.

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TOPIC: RECIPES

15:20:28 [aliman]

ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action09]

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--continues

15:20:39 [aliman]

jon: no comment on further progress

15:20:58 [aliman]

TOPIC: VOCABULARY MANAGEMENT

15:21:09 [aliman]

ACTION: Elisa to provide outline of work to be done by Apr 17 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action11]

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--continues

15:21:22 [aliman]

TOPIC: RDFa

15:21:33 [aliman]

tomb: can anyone else comment on last RDFa telecon?

15:23:19 [aliman]

Simone: no RDFa telcon this week

15:23:44 [aliman]

Simone: we are waiting news from XHTML WG for DTD and more

15:24:04 [aliman]

... I think Steven and Mark are working hard to it but no more news at this time.

15:24:48 [aliman]

tomb: we'll take that as progress report for RDFa. Any other comment?

15:24:59 [aliman]

ACTION: Ben to send a summary of status of components of specifications to be handled [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html#action10]

15:25:00 [TomB]

thank you, simone!

15:25:00 [aliman]

--continues

15:25:13 [aliman]

TOPIC: AOB

15:25:26 [kjetilk]

q+

15:25:35 [Simone]

Zakim, mute me

15:25:35 [Zakim]

Simone should now be muted

15:26:13 [aliman]

tomb: ben wanted to rpovide feedback on GRDDL last call, but won't be in time for publivation, so I suggest we mark Diego's action as done (as I've done in agenda), and drop action for Ben to provide feedback on GRDDL last call.

15:26:29 [aliman]

ACTION: Ben to provide feedback on GRDDL Last Call Doc [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html#action11]

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--dropped

15:26:41 [aliman]

ACTION: Diego to send the review of GRDDL spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action12] - see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Apr/0039.html

15:26:42 [aliman]

--done

15:28:37 [aliman]

tomb: guus isn't here, so schedule a vote to publish SKOS use cases next, we're done with our agenda, we're not making as much progress as we need to, need to focus our efforts, need to chip away at the issues, more discussion on list. VM and recipes don't have momentum, need to find a way to get some momentum in those activities. Moving forward with SKOS is really essential, suggestions?

15:28:47 [aliman]

daniel: all issues summarised?

15:29:54 [aliman]

http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/products/3

15:30:39 [JonP]

http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/raised

15:31:15 [TomB]

http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#TrackingSKOSIssues

15:32:03 [JonP]

http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosIssuesSandbox

15:32:03 [TomB]

Alistair: Other issues not yet on tracker - still in Sandbox

15:32:13 [TomB]

...these include OWL-DL compatibility issues

15:32:36 [TomB]

...Guus guided me through this a few telecons ago...

15:32:50 [TomB]

...Not yet addressed: mapping between concept schemes...

15:32:59 [TomB]

...OWL-DL compatibility is not trivial...

15:33:24 [TomB]

...issue of coordination - where things like in MESH combine main indexing term with modifier to create something different...

15:33:41 [TomB]

...that doesn't yet have an issue number - not yet in tracker, so no number yet...

15:34:02 [TomB]

Jon: I sent a message to list suggesting we put all issues in Tracker right away...

15:34:11 [kjetilk]

q-

15:34:25 [TomB]

...they should all be in the Tracker as "raised". Then put wiki page for each issue, so we have place to attach discussion.

15:34:37 [TomB]

Alistair: I assumed we should be doing that...

15:37:00 [TomB]

http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#TrackingSKOSIssues

15:38:10 [TomB]

ACTION Jon and Alistair: Move SKOS issues over from Sandbox to Tracker on an ongoing basis

15:38:24 [TomB]

ACTION: Jon and Alistair: Move SKOS issues over from Sandbox to Tracker on an ongoing basis

15:39:33 [Zakim]

-kjetilk

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+[VrijeUni]

15:45:02 [TomB]

Antoine: Proposing we start with grouping construct issue...

15:46:23 [aliman]

guus: put both issues on agenda for next week (26 and 33)...

15:47:18 [aliman]

guus: discussion about grouping two weeks ago, gave some input for discussion, minutes will show.

15:48:02 [TomB]

ACTION: Antoine post link to Grouping Construct discussion in preparation for next week's call

15:48:37 [TomB]

s/Grouping Construct/Relationship to Labels/

15:49:59 [aliman]

ACTION: alistair to post links to grouping construct discussion in prep for next week

15:50:31 [aliman]

s/Relationship to Labels/Relationships between labels/

15:51:06 [aliman]

tomb: we want to publish SKOS use cases, waiting for Sean's comments, were going to schedule next week, can we vote now?

15:51:14 [aliman]

guus: happy to go now, no objectsion to publish.

15:51:26 [aliman]

tomb: objections? none heard.

15:51:42 [aliman]

RESOLVED to publish SKOS Use Cases as Working Draft

15:52:05 [aliman]

guus: editor's take action to produce pubrules compliant version

15:52:14 [aliman]

antoine: haven't tried pubrules.

15:52:25 [aliman]

jon: already pubrules compliant, ready to go.

15:52:31 [aliman]

guus: check sotd?

15:52:34 [aliman]

jon: yes.

15:53:06 [Antoine]

http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/UCRMaterial?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ucr-20070508.html

15:53:08 [aliman]

ACTION: jon to contact ralph and arrange for publication of SKOS use cases as working draft (May 8 version)

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-daniel

15:58:45 [Zakim]

-Simone

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-[VrijeUni]

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-berrueta

15:59:46 [TomB]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

15:59:46 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/08-swd-minutes.html TomB

16:02:10 [Zakim]

-alistair

16:02:11 [Zakim]

-JonP

16:02:20 [Zakim]

-Tom_Baker

16:07:21 [Zakim]

disconnecting the lone participant, Antoine, in SW_SWD()11:00AM

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SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Tom_Baker, berrueta, Antoine, JonP, Simone, kjetilk, alistair, daniel, [VrijeUni]

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