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15:02:43 <TomB> rrsagent, bookmark
15:02:43 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2007/05/08-swd-irc#T15-02-43
15:02:49 <TomB> zakim, this will be swd
15:02:54 <TomB> Meeting: SWD WG
15:02:55 <Zakim> ok, TomB, I see SW_SWD()11:00AM already started
15:02:57 <Antoine> Antoine has joined #swd
15:02:57 <TomB> Chair: Tom
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15:03:19 <Zakim> +??P17
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15:03:53 <TomB> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007May/0002.html
15:04:13 <Zakim> +abel
15:04:18 <berrueta> Zakim: abel is me
15:04:21 <TomB> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html
15:04:27 <aliman> zakim, P17 is really me
15:04:27 <Zakim> sorry, aliman, I do not recognize a party named 'P17'
15:04:31 <TomB> Regrets: Ralph, Vit
15:04:36 <TomB> rrsagent, please make record public
15:04:40 <aliman> zakim, ??P17 is really me
15:04:40 <Zakim> +aliman; got it
15:04:44 <berrueta> zakim, abel is really me
15:04:44 <Zakim> +berrueta; got it
15:05:20 <Zakim> +??P37
15:05:53 <JonP> zakim, Jon_Phipps is me
15:05:53 <Zakim> +JonP; got it
15:05:55 <aliman> zakim, mute me
15:05:55 <Zakim> aliman should now be muted
15:06:19 <Zakim> +??P41
15:06:22 <aliman> zakim, unmute me
15:06:25 <Zakim> aliman should no longer be muted
15:06:31 <Simone> Zakin, P41 is me
15:06:35 <aliman> zakim, mute ??P36
15:06:35 <Zakim> ??P36 should now be muted
15:06:39 <Simone> Zakim, P41 is me
15:06:39 <Zakim> sorry, Simone, I do not recognize a party named 'P41'
15:06:58 <aliman> zakim, unmute ??P36
15:06:58 <Zakim> ??P36 should no longer be muted
15:07:07 <aliman> zakim, ??P36 is really me
15:07:07 <Zakim> +aliman; got it
15:08:14 <TomB> scribenick: aliman
15:08:20 <TomB> Scribe: Alistair
15:08:37 <aliman> TOPIC: ADMIN (10 min)
15:08:52 <aliman> tomb: PROPOSED to accept minutes of 24 April telecon: http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html
15:08:57 <aliman> daniel: second
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15:09:17 <aliman> zakim, aliman.a is really daniel
15:09:17 <Zakim> +daniel; got it
15:09:26 <aliman> zakim, mute aliman
15:09:26 <Zakim> aliman should now be muted
15:10:19 <Zakim> +??P44
15:10:19 <aliman> zakim, aliman.a is really alistair
15:10:20 <Zakim> sorry, aliman, I do not recognize a party named 'aliman.a'
15:10:29 <kjetilk> Zakim, ??P44 is me
15:10:29 <Zakim> +kjetilk; got it
15:10:35 <aliman> zakim, daniel is really alistair
15:10:35 <Zakim> +alistair; got it
15:10:43 <aliman> zakim, aliman is really daniel
15:10:43 <Zakim> +daniel; got it
15:10:50 <aliman> zakim, who is on the call
15:10:50 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the call', aliman
15:11:19 <aliman> ACTION: TomB to start questionnaire on date for f2f -- options are weeks of Nov 4 and Nov 11 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html#action01]
15:11:22 <aliman> --continues
15:11:54 <aliman> tomb: antoine is here ...
15:12:08 <aliman> TOPIC: SKOS
15:12:22 <aliman> ACTION: Antoine to make a proposal about SKOS Use Case document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action03]
15:12:28 <Antoine> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/UCRMaterial?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ucr-20070508.html
15:13:48 <aliman> --continues
15:13:50 <aliman> antoine: current version of the draft, last modifications, in starting blocks, jon is ready to put on W3C web site. Porblem is we have no news from Sean, I pinged him at beginning of week, no news since then, maybe really busy, so I cannot propose anything for the moment. We have reached a version I'm happy with, better if had feedback from Sean.
15:13:58 <aliman> tomb: when did sean take action
15:14:30 <aliman> antoine: action to review was done, then guus suggested that we give answers to sean's comments, then wait for sean to say if happy or not with comments and modifications, not happened yet.
15:14:35 <aliman> tomb: html?
15:14:43 <aliman> antoine: in html, already prepared.
15:15:00 <aliman> jon: go ahead and publish it, can revise if get further feedback from Sean.
15:15:37 <aliman> tomb: I agree; this is dated May 8; I suggest we vote on this next week, make another try to get Sean's feedback.
15:15:59 <aliman> jon: I think without Sean's feedback, 3 weeks into waiting for his response.
15:16:09 <aliman> ... inclined to publish at this point.
15:16:55 <aliman> tomb: agree, but want to consult with ralph or guus. suggest we bookmark this, when guus arrives propose this be published, then go ahead and publish.
15:17:43 <aliman> alistair: could schedule vote, next week as deadline for final comments.
15:17:57 <aliman> tomb: take this as default, but if Guus turns up can talk about voting today.
15:18:10 <aliman> ACTION: Guus revise his ISSUE-26 proposal to account for other options [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action07]
15:18:12 <aliman> --continues
15:18:25 <aliman> ACTION: Alistair to write up two alternatives for representing Collections [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action08]
15:18:27 <aliman> --done
15:19:18 <TomB> Alistair: Sent Issue-33 proposal today - "minimal fix" and "bundle" proposals
15:20:06 <aliman> tomb: continue discussion of issue 33 on the list.
15:20:13 <aliman> TOPIC: RECIPES
15:20:28 <aliman> ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action09]
15:20:29 <aliman> --continues
15:20:39 <aliman> jon: no comment on further progress
15:20:58 <aliman> TOPIC: VOCABULARY MANAGEMENT
15:21:09 <aliman> ACTION: Elisa to provide outline of work to be done by Apr 17 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action11]
15:21:10 <aliman> --continues
15:21:22 <aliman> TOPIC: RDFa
15:21:33 <aliman> tomb: can anyone else comment on last RDFa telecon?
15:23:19 <aliman> Simone: no RDFa telcon this week
15:23:44 <aliman> Simone: we are waiting news from XHTML WG for DTD and more
15:24:04 <aliman> ... I think Steven and Mark are working hard to it but no more news at this time.
15:24:48 <aliman> tomb: we'll take that as progress report for RDFa. Any other comment?
15:24:59 <aliman> ACTION: Ben to send a summary of status of components of specifications to be handled [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html#action10]
15:25:00 <TomB> thank you, simone!
15:25:00 <aliman> --continues
15:25:13 <aliman> TOPIC: AOB
15:25:26 <kjetilk> q+
15:25:35 <Simone> Zakim, mute me
15:25:35 <Zakim> Simone should now be muted
15:26:13 <aliman> tomb: ben wanted to rpovide feedback on GRDDL last call, but won't be in time for publivation, so I suggest we mark Diego's action as done (as I've done in agenda), and drop action for Ben to provide feedback on GRDDL last call.
15:26:29 <aliman> ACTION: Ben to provide feedback on GRDDL Last Call Doc [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html#action11]
15:26:30 <aliman> --dropped
15:26:41 <aliman> ACTION: Diego to send the review of GRDDL spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action12] - see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Apr/0039.html
15:26:42 <aliman> --done
15:28:37 <aliman> tomb: guus isn't here, so schedule a vote to publish SKOS use cases next, we're done with our agenda, we're not making as much progress as we need to, need to focus our efforts, need to chip away at the issues, more discussion on list. VM and recipes don't have momentum, need to find a way to get some momentum in those activities. Moving forward with SKOS is really essential, suggestions?
15:28:47 <aliman> daniel: all issues summarised?
15:29:54 <aliman> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/products/3
15:30:39 <JonP> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/raised
15:31:15 <TomB> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#TrackingSKOSIssues
15:32:03 <JonP> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosIssuesSandbox
15:32:03 <TomB> Alistair: Other issues not yet on tracker - still in Sandbox
15:32:13 <TomB> ...these include OWL-DL compatibility issues
15:32:36 <TomB> ...Guus guided me through this a few telecons ago...
15:32:50 <TomB> ...Not yet addressed: mapping between concept schemes...
15:32:59 <TomB> ...OWL-DL compatibility is not trivial...
15:33:24 <TomB> ...issue of coordination - where things like in MESH combine main indexing term with modifier to create something different...
15:33:41 <TomB> ...that doesn't yet have an issue number - not yet in tracker, so no number yet...
15:34:02 <TomB> Jon: I sent a message to list suggesting we put all issues in Tracker right away...
15:34:11 <kjetilk> q-
15:34:25 <TomB> ...they should all be in the Tracker as "raised".  Then put wiki page for each issue, so we have place to attach discussion.
15:34:37 <TomB> Alistair: I assumed we should be doing that...
15:37:00 <TomB> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#TrackingSKOSIssues
15:38:10 <TomB> ACTION Jon and Alistair: Move SKOS issues over from Sandbox to Tracker on an ongoing basis
15:38:24 <TomB> ACTION: Jon and Alistair: Move SKOS issues over from Sandbox to Tracker on an ongoing basis
15:39:33 <Zakim> -kjetilk
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15:45:02 <TomB> Antoine: Proposing we start with grouping construct issue...
15:46:23 <aliman> guus: put both issues on agenda for next week (26 and 33)...
15:47:18 <aliman> guus: discussion about grouping two weeks ago, gave some input for discussion, minutes will show.
15:48:02 <TomB> ACTION: Antoine post link to Grouping Construct discussion in preparation for next week's call
15:48:37 <TomB> s/Grouping Construct/Relationship to Labels/
15:49:59 <aliman> ACTION: alistair to post links to grouping construct discussion in prep for next week
15:50:31 <aliman> s/Relationship to Labels/Relationships between labels/
15:51:06 <aliman> tomb: we want to publish SKOS use cases, waiting for Sean's comments, were going to schedule next week, can we vote now?
15:51:14 <aliman> guus: happy to go now, no objectsion to publish.
15:51:26 <aliman> tomb: objections? none heard.
15:51:42 <aliman> RESOLVED to publish SKOS Use Cases as Working Draft
15:52:05 <aliman> guus: editor's take action to produce pubrules compliant version
15:52:14 <aliman> antoine: haven't tried pubrules.
15:52:25 <aliman> jon: already pubrules compliant, ready to go.
15:52:31 <aliman> guus: check sotd?
15:52:34 <aliman> jon: yes.
15:53:06 <Antoine> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/UCRMaterial?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ucr-20070508.html
15:53:08 <aliman> ACTION: jon to contact ralph and arrange for publication of SKOS use cases as working draft (May 8 version)
15:58:42 <Zakim> -daniel
15:58:45 <Zakim> -Simone
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15:59:13 <Zakim> -berrueta
15:59:46 <TomB> rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:59:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/08-swd-minutes.html TomB
16:02:10 <Zakim> -alistair
16:02:11 <Zakim> -JonP
16:02:20 <Zakim> -Tom_Baker
16:07:21 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Antoine, in SW_SWD()11:00AM
16:07:23 <Zakim> SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended
16:07:24 <Zakim> Attendees were Tom_Baker, berrueta, Antoine, JonP, Simone, kjetilk, alistair, daniel, [VrijeUni]
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