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20:01:55 <Ben> RRSAgent, do not start a new log
20:02:00 <Ben> RRSAgent, make log world
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20:02:06 <Ben> zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
20:02:06 <Zakim> ok, Ben, I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM already started
20:02:21 <Zakim> +??P7
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20:02:25 <Ben> Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
20:02:27 <Zakim> +??P8
20:02:29 <rscano> zakim, ??P7 is Roberto_Scano
20:02:29 <Zakim> +Roberto_Scano; got it
20:02:35 <rscano> zakim, I am Roberto_Scano
20:02:35 <Zakim> ok, rscano, I now associate you with Roberto_Scano
20:02:39 <rscano> zakim, mute me
20:02:39 <Zakim> Roberto_Scano should now be muted
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20:02:43 <Ben> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007AprJun/0077.html
20:02:44 <rellero_> zakim, ??P8 is Roberto_Ellero
20:02:44 <Zakim> +Roberto_Ellero; got it
20:02:51 <Ben> Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
20:02:57 <Ben> ScribeOptions: -scribeOnly
20:03:47 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
20:03:58 <Zakim> + +7.971.aadd
20:04:00 <Ben> Regrets: Alex_Li, Tim_Boland
20:04:12 <Zakim> +??P12
20:04:14 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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20:04:24 <Ben> agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
20:04:33 <Ben> agenda+ More Misc issues for 30 April 2007
20:04:40 <Ben> agenda+ Simplified intro and conformance (Pass 2) for May 3rd
20:04:41 <Zakim> +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
20:04:47 <Ben> agenda+ Miscellaneous Questions for 03 May 2007
20:04:55 <Ben> agenda+ Unapproved failures that relate to closing issues
20:05:09 <Zakim> +Sofia_Celic
20:06:17 <Zakim> +Cooper
20:06:19 <Zakim> +??P14
20:06:30 <bengt> zakim, ??P14 is Bengt_Farre
20:06:30 <Zakim> +Bengt_Farre; got it
20:07:04 <Zakim> +??P16
20:07:11 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
20:09:25 <Loretta> ack k
20:12:17 <Andi> scribe: Andi
20:13:09 <Ben> zakim, take up agendum 1
20:13:09 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from Ben]
20:13:38 <Ben> zakim, who is on the phone?
20:13:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see Cynthia_Shelly, Drew_LaHart, Bruce_Bailey, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Roberto_Scano (muted), Roberto_Ellero, Christophe_Strobbe, Sean_Hayes, Katie_Haritos-Shea,
20:13:42 <Zakim> ... [Microsoft], Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Sofia_Celic, Bengt_Farre, Cooper, David_MacDonald
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20:15:52 <MichaelC> zakim, Cynthia is Gregg_Vanderheiden
20:15:52 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
20:16:10 <Andi> Topic: Timeline
20:16:47 <Andi> Stabilization draft publish date week of May 14th
20:19:03 <Andi> 45 day comment period
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20:25:55 <Andi> resolution: Accept the following by unanimous consent: CAPTCHA Bullet, LC-1183, New examples for Web page, Technique attached to wrong SC, LC-1080, HTM 2.4.9, LC-1029, How to Meet Success Criterion 1.1.1, Technology Features and Accessibility Support
20:28:08 <Andi> Topic: 954: Definition of "text" (and "non-text content")
20:36:07 <Loretta> q+
20:41:20 <Andi> resolution: accept 954 definitions of "text" and "non-text content" as amended
20:41:39 <Andi> topic: 762, 1042, 1145 Alternate Versions
20:42:13 <Loretta> ack l
20:49:48 <MichaelC> q+ to say your tool would have a white list of file extensions AND MIME types
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20:52:51 <MichaelC> q-
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20:57:10 <Gregg> ack b
20:58:05 <Gregg> ack c
20:59:10 <David_MacDonald> q+
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21:02:23 <MichaelC> q+ to check call timing
21:02:50 <Andi> q+
21:04:13 <Gregg> ack david
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21:07:30 <Gregg> ack michael
21:07:30 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to check call timing
21:10:40 <Gregg> ack a
21:12:01 <Gregg> ack b
21:13:22 <Gregg> ack f
21:14:23 <Andi> q+
21:15:41 <Gregg> ack a
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21:19:11 <Gregg> ack b
21:19:24 <Sean> +q
21:19:28 <David_MacDonald> q+
21:19:33 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow_Weaver
21:19:51 <Gregg> ack s
21:19:59 <Zakim> +Andi_Snow_Weaver
21:21:37 <Gregg> ack d
21:32:21 <David_MacDonald> q+
21:35:14 <MichaelC> q+ to time check again
21:36:05 <Ben> ack David
21:36:06 <Ben> ack Mich
21:36:06 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to time check again
21:39:42 <Gregg> ack k
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21:41:34 <Andi> Alternate versions proposal tabled until the end of the call
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21:44:11 <Andi> topic: Sufficient technique for 1.1.1: Providing a text alternative that describes the purpose of the CAPTCHA
21:44:32 <Andi> resolution: accept sufficient technique for CAPTCHA as amended
21:44:51 <Andi> topic: Sufficient technique for 1.1.1: Ensuring that the Web Page contains another CAPTCHA serving the same purpose using a different modality
21:47:00 <Andi> resolution: accept technique on CAPTCHA modalities as proposed
21:47:19 <Andi> topic: Contrast SC
21:49:05 <Zakim> -Roberto_Ellero
21:49:58 <bengt> log<sub>10</sub> or log<sub>2</log>
21:50:16 <bengt> is it log10 or log2 ?
21:50:42 <bengt> q+ to say which log
21:51:10 <bengt> q-
21:54:31 <Zakim> -Sofia_Celic
21:57:23 <Andi> resolution: accept Contrast SC as amended
21:58:02 <Andi> topic: Sufficient technique for 1.4.3 and 1.4.6: Using liquid layout
22:02:52 <Andi> action: Michael to add generic description to Intent section
22:03:11 <Andi> resolution: accept sufficient technique on using liquid layout with Michael's action
22:03:30 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
22:03:36 <Andi> topic: Headings and "programmatically determined link context"
22:04:47 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
22:04:51 <Loretta> q+
22:05:42 <Loretta> q-
22:08:45 <Sean> +q
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22:09:18 <Gregg> ack sean
22:11:41 <Zakim> -Bengt_Farre
22:11:41 <Andi> resolution: accept definition of "programmatically determined link context" as amended. Make the note an example applicable in English language.
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22:12:23 <Andi> topic: 1057 Avoiding errors
22:12:33 <Andi> resolution: accept 1057 avoiding errors as amended
22:19:21 <Andi> topic: Success Criterion 2.3.1 (Flash) as proposed
22:19:37 <Andi> resolution: accept 2.3.1 (Flash) as proposed
22:19:39 <Andi> topic:
22:20:11 <Andi> topic: New example for SC 3.3.4
22:22:29 <Loretta> q+
22:24:18 <Loretta> q-
22:24:45 <Andi> action: Michael to edit, get Sean's agreement
22:25:17 <Andi> resolution: accept SC 3.3.4 with Michael's action
22:26:03 <Andi> topic: New examples for Web page
22:27:08 <Andi> resolution: Accept new examples for Web page as proposed
22:27:24 <Andi> topic: Technique attached to wrong SC
22:27:35 <Andi> resolution: accept technique attached to wrong SC as proposed
22:28:08 <Andi> topic: Sufficient technique for 2.4.9: Organizing a page using headings
22:30:56 <Andi> resolution: Accept sufficient technique for 2.4.9 as proposed
22:31:28 <Andi> topic: 912: User interface component
22:33:49 <Andi> resolution: accept 912 User interface component as amended
22:36:40 <Andi> topic: Proposed edits to Introduction
22:42:54 <Andi> action: Gregg and Loretta to consider Andi's comment
22:57:16 <Andi> s/editorial comment about even content that conforms at level AA may not be accessible to all users/comment/
22:57:46 <Andi> resolution: accept Introduction as amended
22:57:48 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
23:01:07 <Andi> q+
23:03:10 <MichaelC> q+ to note time
23:03:17 <Zakim> -Drew_LaHart
23:05:29 <Andi> q-
23:07:09 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
23:09:50 <Andi> topic: Proposed Edits to Conformance Section
23:11:17 <Gregg> Creating your own list of technologies that have accessibility support
23:11:17 <Gregg> Authors, companies or others may wish to create their own lists of accessibility-supported technologies 
23:11:17 <Gregg> Rules for Supported Technologies
23:11:17 <Gregg> To qualify for such a list the following must be true for a technology.
23:12:28 <Gregg> Creating your own list of technologies that have accessibility support
23:12:28 <Gregg> Authors, companies or others may wish to create their own lists of accessibility-supported technologies 
23:12:28 <Gregg> Rules for Supported Technologies
23:12:28 <Gregg> To qualify as an Accessibility Supported technology the following must be true for a technology.
23:15:49 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
23:18:00 <MichaelC> q+ to note we've lost 1/3 of our participants for today
23:19:13 <MichaelC> q+ to say recount: 1/2
23:25:34 <Andi> resolution: accept Conformance section as amended
23:26:20 <Ben> zakim, who is on the phone?
23:26:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see Gregg_Vanderheiden, Bruce_Bailey, Sean_Hayes, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Cooper, David_MacDonald, Andi_Snow_Weaver
23:26:22 <Zakim> Gregg_Vanderheiden has Ben_Caldwell
23:29:54 <MichaelC> ack me
23:29:54 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to note time and to note we've lost 1/3 of our participants for today and to say recount: 1/2
23:30:17 <Andi> topic: Keep reference to Additional Resources in prep for now - or not.
23:30:35 <Andi> action: consider editing additional resources
23:30:48 <Andi> resolution: accept additional resources
23:31:59 <Andi> s/keep additional resources for now/accept additional resources/
23:32:04 <Andi> topic: Move more stuff out of the INTRO
23:32:24 <Andi> action: consider moving more stuff out of the Introduction
23:32:42 <Andi> resolution: keep intro as is for now
23:33:04 <Andi> topic: Can info be part in one and part in another technology (both incomplete?)
23:34:58 <Andi> action: explore further the issue at http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/SimplifiedIntroAndConformance/results#xIssues3
23:37:21 <Andi> topic: Edit to the 'clarification' paragraph
23:38:47 <Andi> resolution: leave the statement "the WCAG 2.0 guidelines do not address many areas of need for people with these disabilities. There is a need for more research and development in this important area." as is
23:39:35 <Andi> topic: 1028: Technology that doesn't fully support WCAG
23:40:25 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
23:44:25 <Andi> resolution: accept 1028 as amended
23:44:46 <Andi> topic: 1029: Baseline allows easy way out
23:44:54 <Andi> resolution: accept 1029 as amended
23:45:12 <Andi> topic: How to Meet Success Criterion 1.1.1
23:47:00 <Andi> resolution: accept How to Meet SC 1.1.1 as proposed
23:47:16 <Andi> Topic: Proposed changes to 2.1.1 and 2.1.2
23:49:55 <Andi> defer 2.1.1 and 2.1.2 to next week
23:50:12 <Andi> topic: Examples for Failure of SC 1.4.4 and 1.4.7
23:50:42 <Andi> resolution: accept examples for failure of SC 1.4.4 and 1.4.7 as amended
23:50:55 <Andi> topic: Technology Features and Accessibility Support
23:51:13 <Andi> resolution: accept technology features and accessibility support as proposed
23:51:21 <Andi> zakim, who is on the phone?
23:51:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see Gregg_Vanderheiden, Sean_Hayes, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Cooper, David_MacDonald, Andi_Snow_Weaver
23:51:23 <Zakim> Gregg_Vanderheiden has Ben_Caldwell
23:52:32 <Ben> Present: Gregg_Vanderheiden, Ben_Caldwell, Cynthia_Shelly, Drew_LaHart, Bruce_Bailey, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Roberto_Scano, Roberto_Ellero, Christophe_Strobbe, Sean_Hayes, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Sofia_Celic, Bengt_Farre, Cooper, David_MacDonald
23:53:10 <Andi> topic: Failure due to providing a mechanism to adjust time limits that users may not find before the time limit expires
23:58:50 <Andi> resolution: remove the failure on providing a mechanism to adjust time limits that users may not find
23:59:13 <Andi> action: revisit issue 1048
23:59:34 <Andi> topic: Failure of SC 1.1.1 due to providing a title attribute without also providing a non-null alt attribute
00:00:14 <Andi> resolution: remove the failure on using the title attribute instead of alt attribute
00:00:48 <Andi> action: revisit issue 850
00:01:28 <Andi> topic: Failure of SC 1.2.1 by providing multimedia without captions when the multimedia presents more information than is presented in its associated text
00:02:41 <Andi> action: Gregg to talk to Cynthia about testability issue on failure of SC 1.2.1
00:03:40 <Zakim> -Sean_Hayes
00:03:49 <Andi> topic: Failure of SC 1.2.1 by not associating a multimedia alternative with its associated text
00:04:11 <Andi> action: take Ben's editorial suggestion and re-survey
00:06:20 <Zakim> -Cooper
00:06:24 <Andi> s/re-survey failure of SC 1.2.1 by not associating a multimedia alternative with its associated text/re-survey/
00:06:50 <Zakim> +Cooper
00:07:32 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow_Weaver
00:07:54 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
00:07:55 <Zakim> -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
00:07:56 <Zakim> -Cooper
00:07:57 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
00:07:58 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended
00:07:59 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.410.757.aaaa, +1.301.668.aabb, +1.613.237.aacc, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Roberto_Scano, Roberto_Ellero, Christophe_Strobbe, +7.971.aadd, Loretta_Guarino_Reid,
00:08:03 <Zakim> ... Sofia_Celic, Cooper, Bengt_Farre, David_MacDonald, Bruce_Bailey, Drew_LaHart, Sean_Hayes, Cynthia_Shelly, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Ben_Caldwell
00:08:09 <Ben> zakim, bye
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00:08:13 <Ben> RRSAgent, bye
00:08:13 <RRSAgent> I see 10 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/03-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
00:08:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to add generic description to Intent section [1]
00:08:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/03-wai-wcag-irc#T22-02-52
00:08:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to edit, get Sean's agreement [2]
00:08:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/03-wai-wcag-irc#T22-24-45
00:08:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Gregg and Loretta to consider Andi's comment [3]
00:08:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/03-wai-wcag-irc#T22-42-54
00:08:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: consider editing additional resources [4]
00:08:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/03-wai-wcag-irc#T23-30-35
00:08:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: consider moving more stuff out of the Introduction [5]
00:08:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/03-wai-wcag-irc#T23-32-24
00:08:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: explore further the issue at http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/SimplifiedIntroAndConformance/results#xIssues3 [6]
00:08:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/03-wai-wcag-irc#T23-34-58
00:08:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: revisit issue 1048 [7]
00:08:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/03-wai-wcag-irc#T23-59-13
00:08:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: revisit issue 850 [8]
00:08:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/03-wai-wcag-irc#T00-00-48
00:08:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Gregg to talk to Cynthia about testability issue on failure of SC 1.2.1 [9]
00:08:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/03-wai-wcag-irc#T00-02-41
00:08:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: take Ben's editorial suggestion and re-survey [10]
00:08:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/03-wai-wcag-irc#T00-04-11