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12:29:32 <shadi> zakim, room for 10?
12:29:33 <Zakim> ok, shadi; conference Team_(tsdtf)12:29Z scheduled with code 26633 (CONF3) for 60 minutes until 1329Z
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12:32:15 <Zakim> Team_(tsdtf)12:29Z has now started
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12:32:39 <Zakim> +Cooper
12:33:58 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
12:34:59 <Zakim> +Vangelis_Karkaletsis
12:36:49 <Zakim> +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
12:37:22 <Zakim> +[CTIC]
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12:37:59 <shadi> meeting: TSD TF
12:38:09 <shadi> chair: Christophe, CarlosV
12:38:21 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Apr/0026.html
12:39:15 <MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC
12:39:56 <shadi> topic: Review of the review process document
12:40:19 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2006/tests/process
12:40:46 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Mar/0026.html
12:40:52 <MichaelC> cs: considering outcomes of review, added bugs we could discover
12:40:56 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Apr/0003.html
12:41:37 <MichaelC> ... when do we get back to submitter of sample?
12:42:12 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Apr/0023.html
12:46:57 <MichaelC> vk: is this shown in structure document?
12:47:15 <MichaelC> saz: waiting for group agreement before adding to flowchart
12:48:13 <Christophe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Apr/0023.html
12:48:23 <MichaelC> RESOLUTION: accept flowchart from <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Apr/0023.html>
12:49:21 <MichaelC> vk: send to WCAG?
12:50:13 <MichaelC> s/vk:/cv:
12:50:28 <MichaelC> saz: we don't know when they'll get back
12:51:50 <MichaelC> cv: question about level of improvement when we get things back
12:52:17 <MichaelC> saz: major improvement = reject (send it back and redo)
12:54:15 <MichaelC> ... moderate improvement situation, do we edit, or send back?
12:55:30 <MichaelC> cv: what counts as each?
12:56:03 <MichaelC> saz: minor is punctuation, editorial, easily done
12:56:22 <MichaelC> ... anything more substantial involves more work; suggest asking author to take time to fix
12:56:46 <MichaelC> ... so we can focus on reviewing other test samples, rather than fixing
12:57:36 <MichaelC> cs: how do we communicate with author?
13:00:56 <MichaelC> saz: as simply as possible
13:01:10 <MichaelC> cv: what is threshold for making change vs sending back?
13:01:24 <MichaelC> saz: suggest chair discretion based on group member availability
13:03:39 <shadi> action: change "minor improvment" to "reject", and address chair's discretion in the moderate decision
13:05:41 <shadi> rrsagent, drop action 1
13:05:50 <shadi> action: SAZ change "minor improvment" to "reject", and address chair's discretion in the moderate decision
13:06:22 <shadi> action: SAZ add item in content review for specName
13:07:24 <shadi> topic: Potential changes to TCDL
13:08:00 <MichaelC> cv: BenToWeb reviewed TCDL
13:09:01 <MichaelC> ... want to make changes, unsure of priority for W3C
13:09:18 <MichaelC> ... suggest RDF version
13:09:26 <MichaelC> saz: would like to discuss offline
13:10:13 <MichaelC> cv: like it though not sure now is right time
13:11:27 <MichaelC> ci: prefer RDF, and TCDL not generic right now
13:11:40 <MichaelC> ... would like to solve those two problems at once, but it needs resources/time
13:13:04 <MichaelC> mc: think it's time to focus on test case development, if TCDL works acceptably just go ahead
13:13:34 <MichaelC> vk: want improved version, but agree to proceed with test case development
13:14:44 <MichaelC> saz: check with ERT, as the WG as a whole would probably be involved
13:15:21 <shadi> action: SAZ bring this discussion to ERT WG to check for interest/resources
13:17:45 <MichaelC> mc: also notes that WCAG WG getting notably closer to point they need a good set of test samples to consume (though don't know exactly when still)
13:17:50 <shadi> RESOLUTION: TSD TF more interested in developing test samples than revisiting the metadata at this point in time
13:18:37 <MichaelC> topic: Reivew of example entries
13:18:46 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-tsdtf-minutes.html#action01
13:18:51 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/2006/tsdtf/TestSampleStatusList
13:19:53 <MichaelC> cs: currently, 2 through structure, 1 through content review
13:23:09 <MichaelC> ... some issues discussed on list, appear addressed
13:23:25 <MichaelC> ... need email address of submitter to communicate about issues on submitted samples
13:23:39 <MichaelC> cv: will create BenToWeb email alias for purpose
13:27:16 <MichaelC> action: CS to compile list of issues that came out of test sample reviews and check if/where they were addressed.
13:27:43 <MichaelC> topic: New tests from BenToWeb team
13:27:51 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-tsdtf-minutes.html#action05
13:27:58 <Zakim> -Vangelis_Karkaletsis
13:29:40 <MichaelC> action: Carlos to "flood the task force with tests" coordinating with BenToWeb authors
13:30:15 <MichaelC> topic: Feedback to submitters of test samples
13:31:24 <Zakim> -Cooper
13:31:25 <Zakim> -Shadi
13:31:27 <Zakim> -Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
13:31:28 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
13:31:31 <Zakim> -[CTIC]
13:31:32 <Zakim> Team_(tsdtf)12:29Z has ended
13:31:34 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, Cooper, Christophe_Strobbe, Vangelis_Karkaletsis, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, [CTIC]
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13:32:09 <shadi> zakim, bye
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13:32:14 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
13:32:19 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
13:32:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-tsdtf-minutes.html shadi
13:32:20 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
13:32:25 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
13:32:25 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-tsdtf-actions.rdf :
13:32:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SAZ change "minor improvment" to "reject", and address chair's discretion in the moderate decision [2]
13:32:25 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-tsdtf-irc#T13-05-50
13:32:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SAZ add item in content review for specName [3]
13:32:25 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-tsdtf-irc#T13-06-22
13:32:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SAZ bring this discussion to ERT WG to check for interest/resources [4]
13:32:25 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-tsdtf-irc#T13-15-21
13:32:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CS to compile list of issues that came out of test sample reviews and check if/where they were addressed. [5]
13:32:25 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-tsdtf-irc#T13-27-16
13:32:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Carlos to "flood the task force with tests" coordinating with BenToWeb authors [6]
13:32:25 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-tsdtf-irc#T13-29-40