IRC log of tsdtf on 2007-05-02
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- 12:29:32 [shadi]
- zakim, room for 10?
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- ok, shadi; conference Team_(tsdtf)12:29Z scheduled with code 26633 (CONF3) for 60 minutes until 1329Z
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- shadi has changed the topic to: teleconference code: 26633
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- Team_(tsdtf)12:29Z has now started
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- +Shadi
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- +Cooper
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- +Christophe_Strobbe
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- +Vangelis_Karkaletsis
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- +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
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- +[CTIC]
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- 12:37:59 [shadi]
- meeting: TSD TF
- 12:38:09 [shadi]
- chair: Christophe, CarlosV
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Apr/0026.html
- 12:39:15 [MichaelC]
- scribe: MichaelC
- 12:39:56 [shadi]
- topic: Review of the review process document
- 12:40:19 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2006/tests/process
- 12:40:46 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Mar/0026.html
- 12:40:52 [MichaelC]
- cs: considering outcomes of review, added bugs we could discover
- 12:40:56 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Apr/0003.html
- 12:41:37 [MichaelC]
- ... when do we get back to submitter of sample?
- 12:42:12 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Apr/0023.html
- 12:46:57 [MichaelC]
- vk: is this shown in structure document?
- 12:47:15 [MichaelC]
- saz: waiting for group agreement before adding to flowchart
- 12:48:13 [Christophe]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Apr/0023.html
- 12:48:23 [MichaelC]
- RESOLUTION: accept flowchart from <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Apr/0023.html>
- 12:49:21 [MichaelC]
- vk: send to WCAG?
- 12:50:13 [MichaelC]
- s/vk:/cv:
- 12:50:28 [MichaelC]
- saz: we don't know when they'll get back
- 12:51:50 [MichaelC]
- cv: question about level of improvement when we get things back
- 12:52:17 [MichaelC]
- saz: major improvement = reject (send it back and redo)
- 12:54:15 [MichaelC]
- ... moderate improvement situation, do we edit, or send back?
- 12:55:30 [MichaelC]
- cv: what counts as each?
- 12:56:03 [MichaelC]
- saz: minor is punctuation, editorial, easily done
- 12:56:22 [MichaelC]
- ... anything more substantial involves more work; suggest asking author to take time to fix
- 12:56:46 [MichaelC]
- ... so we can focus on reviewing other test samples, rather than fixing
- 12:57:36 [MichaelC]
- cs: how do we communicate with author?
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- saz: as simply as possible
- 13:01:10 [MichaelC]
- cv: what is threshold for making change vs sending back?
- 13:01:24 [MichaelC]
- saz: suggest chair discretion based on group member availability
- 13:03:39 [shadi]
- action: change "minor improvment" to "reject", and address chair's discretion in the moderate decision
- 13:05:41 [shadi]
- rrsagent, drop action 1
- 13:05:50 [shadi]
- action: SAZ change "minor improvment" to "reject", and address chair's discretion in the moderate decision
- 13:06:22 [shadi]
- action: SAZ add item in content review for specName
- 13:07:24 [shadi]
- topic: Potential changes to TCDL
- 13:08:00 [MichaelC]
- cv: BenToWeb reviewed TCDL
- 13:09:01 [MichaelC]
- ... want to make changes, unsure of priority for W3C
- 13:09:18 [MichaelC]
- ... suggest RDF version
- 13:09:26 [MichaelC]
- saz: would like to discuss offline
- 13:10:13 [MichaelC]
- cv: like it though not sure now is right time
- 13:11:27 [MichaelC]
- ci: prefer RDF, and TCDL not generic right now
- 13:11:40 [MichaelC]
- ... would like to solve those two problems at once, but it needs resources/time
- 13:13:04 [MichaelC]
- mc: think it's time to focus on test case development, if TCDL works acceptably just go ahead
- 13:13:34 [MichaelC]
- vk: want improved version, but agree to proceed with test case development
- 13:14:44 [MichaelC]
- saz: check with ERT, as the WG as a whole would probably be involved
- 13:15:21 [shadi]
- action: SAZ bring this discussion to ERT WG to check for interest/resources
- 13:17:45 [MichaelC]
- mc: also notes that WCAG WG getting notably closer to point they need a good set of test samples to consume (though don't know exactly when still)
- 13:17:50 [shadi]
- RESOLUTION: TSD TF more interested in developing test samples than revisiting the metadata at this point in time
- 13:18:37 [MichaelC]
- topic: Reivew of example entries
- 13:18:46 [MichaelC]
- http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-tsdtf-minutes.html#action01
- 13:18:51 [MichaelC]
- http://www.w3.org/2006/tsdtf/TestSampleStatusList
- 13:19:53 [MichaelC]
- cs: currently, 2 through structure, 1 through content review
- 13:23:09 [MichaelC]
- ... some issues discussed on list, appear addressed
- 13:23:25 [MichaelC]
- ... need email address of submitter to communicate about issues on submitted samples
- 13:23:39 [MichaelC]
- cv: will create BenToWeb email alias for purpose
- 13:27:16 [MichaelC]
- action: CS to compile list of issues that came out of test sample reviews and check if/where they were addressed.
- 13:27:43 [MichaelC]
- topic: New tests from BenToWeb team
- 13:27:51 [MichaelC]
- http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-tsdtf-minutes.html#action05
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- -Vangelis_Karkaletsis
- 13:29:40 [MichaelC]
- action: Carlos to "flood the task force with tests" coordinating with BenToWeb authors
- 13:30:15 [MichaelC]
- topic: Feedback to submitters of test samples
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- -Cooper
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- -Shadi
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- -Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
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- -Christophe_Strobbe
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- -[CTIC]
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- Team_(tsdtf)12:29Z has ended
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- Attendees were Shadi, Cooper, Christophe_Strobbe, Vangelis_Karkaletsis, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, [CTIC]
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- 13:32:09 [shadi]
- zakim, bye
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- rrsagent, make logs world
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-tsdtf-minutes.html shadi
- 13:32:20 [shadi]
- rrsagent, make logs world
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- rrsagent, bye
- 13:32:25 [RRSAgent]
- I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-tsdtf-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: SAZ change "minor improvment" to "reject", and address chair's discretion in the moderate decision [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-tsdtf-irc#T13-05-50
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- ACTION: SAZ add item in content review for specName [3]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-tsdtf-irc#T13-06-22
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- ACTION: SAZ bring this discussion to ERT WG to check for interest/resources [4]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-tsdtf-irc#T13-15-21
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- ACTION: CS to compile list of issues that came out of test sample reviews and check if/where they were addressed. [5]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-tsdtf-irc#T13-27-16
- 13:32:25 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Carlos to "flood the task force with tests" coordinating with BenToWeb authors [6]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-tsdtf-irc#T13-29-40