IRC log of i18nits on 2007-05-02

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14:02:39 [fsasaki]

zakim, this will be i18n

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ok, fsasaki; I see I18N_TS()10:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago

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zakim, dial felix-home

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ok, fsasaki; the call is being made

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I18N_TS()10:00AM has now started

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+Felix

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meeting: i18n ITS WG

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chair: Felix

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scribe: Felix

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scribeNick: fsasaki

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0018.html

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rrsagent, make log public

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+[SAP]

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present+ Christian, Felix, Jirka

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regrets+ Andrzej, Sebastian, Yves

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topic: action items

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+ +420.4.824.0.aaaa

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action: Christian to send comment on EMMA (PENDING)

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Felix: Last Call Ends 30 April 2007

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Christian: I'll send this week

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Felix: that will be ok

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action: Everybody to look at SPARQL and the SPARQL result format for potential ITS review (PENDING)

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action: Everybody to look into XLIFF 1.2, TMX 2, SRX 2 (PENDING)

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Christian: XLIFF has a very short review period, normally two weeks

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.. I can send a mail to Rodolpho, he should know

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Felix: good, thanks

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action: Jirka to send pointers about ISO fast track process (DONE)

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0020.html

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Jirka: I have contacts in my country, but it may not lead to an efficient submission

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Christian: I'll talk to colleagues and inform them about the ideas we have about ITS as ISO standard, and ask them about possibilities

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action: Yves to add non-w3c specs to the comment overview page (DONE)

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http://www.w3.org/International/its/reviews.html

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Felix: any comments on the page?

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Jirka: very good page

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Felix: agree

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action: Yves to look into TMX for ITS related comments (DROP)

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Felix: double of AI above

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action: Yves to look on Atom and the bidi attribute and possibly ITS in general (PENDING)

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action: Yves to start a summary page for comments we made on other drafts (DONE)

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topic: Reviewing W3C Work for ITS

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http://www.w3.org/TR/#last-call

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Felix: nothing new we need to look at, I think

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topic: Best Practices Working Draft

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published last week http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-xml-i18n-bp-20070427/

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Felix: anything to discuss today on the draft?

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Jirka: discussion of my docbook section?

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Felix: looks good after a first look. Should we consider to have all existing schemas "ITS+..." with only markup which is not already in the schema, e.g. "ITS+XHTML" without its:dir? And have a general guideline to do that for existing schemas?

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Christian: need more time to think about that

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Jirka: maybe a good idea, we could discuss that at the f2f. Could have an action item to discuss on everyone to think about the idea

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Christan: fine by me

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action: everybody to think about the idea: consider to have all existing schemas "ITS+..." with only markup which is not already in the schema, e.g. "ITS+XHTML" without its:dir? And have a general guideline to do that for existing schemas

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action: everybody to look at the DocBook section from Jirka

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Felix: Jirka, do you also work on an DocBook implementation, e.g. of XSLT stylesheets?

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Jirka: no, I rely on the generic ITS implementations. The DocBook stylesheets are not meant to encompass e.g. "translation extraction" functionality like in ITS

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topic: Face-to-face meeting at SAP Paris

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http://www.w3.org/International/its/ftf-200705-Paris.html

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agenda proposal is at http://www.w3.org/International/its/ftf-200705-Paris.html#Objective

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topic: Other business

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Christian: remarks on the agenda:

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.. question on removing ITS to ISO / other bodies is a placeholder. We are already investigating how we should move, not if we should move?

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Felix: maybe we are between the questions "should we move?" and "how should we move?"

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Christian: we should have a general discussion on the WG, i.e. the way we did things, we way we intend to do things

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Felix: do you mean general WG aspects like participation in calls, action item tracking etc.?

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Christian: yes

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Felix: good to discuss this, since we now don't have the work on tagset document anymore, that gives us an opportunity to reconsider working style

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Jirka: for me it was hard to write the DocBook section was hard, having some setup for this would be good

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Felix: agree

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Christian: nothing specific right now

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Christian: on outreach: I'm considering to submit something for the OASIS standards day in Germany

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.. wonder what I could present about ITS

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.. could try to give an update related to ITS. In November, ITS will be a REC for 6 months.

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.. we could say what happened, like describing the DocBook section from Jirka, tool vendor outreach

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Jirka: mentioning ITS is good for ITS

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Felix: sounds good to me

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Christian: would you like to be co-authors of the presentation?

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Jirka: can contribute to the content of the presentation, not sure if I can come to Germany

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Felix: what would be the deadline for the decision?

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Christian: Friday

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.. happy to list others as co-authors if they indent to contribute, even if they are not sure yet if and how much they can contribute

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Jirka: integration with an OASIS standard like DocBook is a good selling point

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Felix: how about sending a mail to the member list with your proposal?

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Christian: I'll fill in the submisson template and send it to the two of you and Yves

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Felix: sounds good to me

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.. I submitted an abstract to Unicode, I will forward the abstract to Christian

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-Christian

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-Jirka

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-Felix

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I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Felix, [SAP], +420.4.824.0.aaaa, Jirka, Christian

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 10 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-i18nits-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Christian to send comment on EMMA (PENDING) [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-i18nits-irc#T14-08-09

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ACTION: Everybody to look at SPARQL and the SPARQL result format for potential ITS review (PENDING) [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-i18nits-irc#T14-09-38

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ACTION: Everybody to look into XLIFF 1.2, TMX 2, SRX 2 (PENDING) [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-i18nits-irc#T14-10-41

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ACTION: Jirka to send pointers about ISO fast track process (DONE) [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-i18nits-irc#T14-11-58

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ACTION: Yves to add non-w3c specs to the comment overview page (DONE) [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-i18nits-irc#T14-16-57

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ACTION: Yves to look into TMX for ITS related comments (DROP) [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-i18nits-irc#T14-18-11

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ACTION: Yves to look on Atom and the bidi attribute and possibly ITS in general (PENDING) [7]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-i18nits-irc#T14-18-40

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ACTION: Yves to start a summary page for comments we made on other drafts (DONE) [8]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-i18nits-irc#T14-18-49

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ACTION: everybody to think about the idea: consider to have all existing schemas "ITS+..." with only markup which is not already in the schema, e.g. "ITS+XHTML" without its:dir? And have a general guideline to do that for existing schemas [9]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-i18nits-irc#T14-27-51

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ACTION: everybody to look at the DocBook section from Jirka [10]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-i18nits-irc#T14-28-18

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zakim, bye

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