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14:02:39 <fsasaki> zakim, this will be i18n
14:02:40 <Zakim> ok, fsasaki; I see I18N_TS()10:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
14:03:11 <fsasaki> zakim, dial felix-home
14:03:14 <Zakim> ok, fsasaki; the call is being made
14:03:17 <Zakim> I18N_TS()10:00AM has now started
14:03:22 <Zakim> +Felix
14:03:25 <fsasaki> meeting: i18n ITS WG
14:03:28 <fsasaki> chair: Felix
14:03:30 <fsasaki> scribe: Felix
14:03:35 <fsasaki> scribeNick: fsasaki
14:04:03 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0018.html
14:04:07 <fsasaki> rrsagent, make log public
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14:05:01 <Zakim> +[SAP]
14:05:19 <fsasaki> present+ Christian, Felix, Jirka
14:05:29 <fsasaki> regrets+ Andrzej, Sebastian, Yves
14:05:36 <fsasaki> topic: action items
14:06:19 <Zakim> + +420.4.824.0.aaaa
14:08:09 <fsasaki> action: Christian to send comment on EMMA (PENDING)
14:08:32 <fsasaki> Felix: Last Call Ends 30 April 2007
14:09:02 <fsasaki> Christian: I'll send this week
14:09:07 <fsasaki> Felix: that will be ok
14:09:38 <fsasaki> action: Everybody to look at SPARQL and the SPARQL result format for potential ITS review (PENDING)
14:10:41 <fsasaki> action: Everybody to look into XLIFF 1.2, TMX 2, SRX 2 (PENDING)
14:11:12 <fsasaki> Christian: XLIFF has a very short review period, normally two weeks
14:11:29 <fsasaki> .. I can send a mail to Rodolpho, he should know
14:11:48 <fsasaki> Felix: good, thanks
14:11:58 <fsasaki> action: Jirka to send pointers about ISO fast track process (DONE)
14:12:14 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0020.html
14:14:50 <fsasaki> Jirka: I have contacts in my country, but it may not lead to an efficient submission 
14:15:37 <fsasaki> Christian: I'll talk to colleagues and inform them about the ideas we have about ITS as ISO standard, and ask them about possibilities
14:16:57 <fsasaki> action: Yves to add non-w3c specs to the comment overview page (DONE)
14:17:03 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/its/reviews.html
14:17:21 <fsasaki> Felix: any comments on the page?
14:17:26 <fsasaki> Jirka: very good page
14:17:53 <fsasaki> Felix: agree
14:18:11 <fsasaki> action: Yves to look into TMX for ITS related comments (DROP)
14:18:21 <fsasaki> Felix: double of AI above
14:18:40 <fsasaki> action: Yves to look on Atom and the bidi attribute and possibly ITS in general (PENDING)
14:18:49 <fsasaki> action: Yves to start a summary page for comments we made on other drafts (DONE)
14:19:04 <fsasaki> topic: Reviewing W3C Work for ITS
14:19:09 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/TR/#last-call
14:19:48 <fsasaki> Felix: nothing new we need to look at, I think
14:20:02 <fsasaki> topic: Best Practices Working Draft
14:20:11 <fsasaki> published last week http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-xml-i18n-bp-20070427/
14:20:43 <fsasaki> Felix: anything to discuss today on the draft?
14:20:57 <fsasaki> Jirka: discussion of my docbook section?
14:26:07 <fsasaki> Felix: looks good after a first look. Should we consider to have all existing schemas "ITS+..." with only markup which is not already in the schema, e.g. "ITS+XHTML" without its:dir? And have a general guideline to do that for existing schemas?
14:26:14 <fsasaki> Christian: need more time to think about that
14:26:48 <fsasaki> Jirka: maybe a good idea, we could discuss that at the f2f. Could have an action item to discuss on everyone to think about the idea
14:26:52 <fsasaki> Christan: fine by me
14:27:51 <fsasaki> action: everybody to think about the idea: consider to have all existing schemas "ITS+..." with only markup which is not already in the schema, e.g. "ITS+XHTML" without its:dir? And have a general guideline to do that for existing schemas
14:28:18 <fsasaki> action: everybody to look at the DocBook section from Jirka
14:29:31 <fsasaki> Felix: Jirka, do you also work on an DocBook implementation, e.g. of XSLT stylesheets?
14:30:25 <fsasaki> Jirka: no, I rely on the generic ITS implementations. The DocBook stylesheets are not meant to encompass e.g. "translation extraction" functionality like in ITS
14:30:54 <fsasaki> topic: Face-to-face meeting at SAP Paris
14:30:58 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/its/ftf-200705-Paris.html
14:31:14 <fsasaki> agenda proposal is at http://www.w3.org/International/its/ftf-200705-Paris.html#Objective
14:32:10 <fsasaki> topic: Other business
14:32:28 <fsasaki> Christian: remarks on the agenda:
14:32:56 <fsasaki> .. question on removing ITS to ISO / other bodies is a placeholder. We are already investigating how we should move, not if we should move?
14:33:30 <fsasaki> Felix: maybe we are between the questions "should we move?" and "how should we move?"
14:33:58 <fsasaki> Christian: we should have a general discussion on the WG, i.e. the way we did things, we way we intend to do things
14:34:46 <fsasaki> Felix: do you mean general WG aspects like participation in calls, action item tracking etc.?
14:34:49 <fsasaki> Christian: yes
14:35:55 <fsasaki> Felix: good to discuss this, since we now don't have the work on tagset document anymore, that gives us an opportunity to reconsider working style
14:37:03 <fsasaki> Jirka: for me it was hard to write the DocBook section was hard, having some setup for this would be good
14:37:59 <fsasaki> Felix: agree
14:38:12 <fsasaki> Christian: nothing specific right now
14:38:38 <fsasaki> Christian: on outreach: I'm considering to submit something for the OASIS standards day in Germany
14:38:59 <fsasaki> .. wonder what I could present about ITS
14:39:33 <fsasaki> .. could try to give an update related to ITS. In November, ITS will be a REC for 6 months.
14:40:06 <fsasaki> .. we could say what happened, like describing the DocBook section from Jirka, tool vendor outreach
14:40:13 <fsasaki> Jirka: mentioning ITS is good for ITS
14:40:25 <fsasaki> Felix: sounds good to me
14:40:50 <fsasaki> Christian: would you like to be co-authors of the presentation?
14:41:08 <fsasaki> Jirka: can contribute to the content of the presentation, not sure if I can come to Germany
14:42:08 <fsasaki> Felix: what would be the deadline for the decision?
14:42:12 <fsasaki> Christian: Friday
14:43:08 <fsasaki> .. happy to list others as co-authors if they indent to contribute, even if they are not sure yet if and how much they can contribute
14:43:37 <fsasaki> Jirka: integration with an OASIS standard like DocBook is a good selling point
14:44:23 <fsasaki> Felix: how about sending a mail to the member list with your proposal?
14:45:00 <fsasaki> Christian: I'll fill in the submisson template and send it to the two of you and Yves
14:45:20 <fsasaki> Felix: sounds good to me
14:46:32 <fsasaki> .. I submitted an abstract to Unicode, I will forward the abstract to Christian
14:49:34 <Zakim> -Christian
15:00:42 <Zakim> -Jirka
15:00:45 <Zakim> -Felix
15:00:46 <Zakim> I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended
15:00:47 <Zakim> Attendees were Felix, [SAP], +420.4.824.0.aaaa, Jirka, Christian
15:00:55 <fsasaki> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:00:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
15:11:50 <fsasaki> rrsagent, bye
15:11:50 <RRSAgent> I see 10 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-i18nits-actions.rdf :
15:11:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Christian to send comment on EMMA (PENDING) [1]
15:11:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-i18nits-irc#T14-08-09
15:11:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Everybody to look at SPARQL and the SPARQL result format for potential ITS review (PENDING) [2]
15:11:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-i18nits-irc#T14-09-38
15:11:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Everybody to look into XLIFF 1.2, TMX 2, SRX 2 (PENDING) [3]
15:11:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-i18nits-irc#T14-10-41
15:11:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jirka to send pointers about ISO fast track process (DONE) [4]
15:11:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-i18nits-irc#T14-11-58
15:11:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to add non-w3c specs to the comment overview page (DONE) [5]
15:11:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-i18nits-irc#T14-16-57
15:11:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to look into TMX for ITS related comments (DROP) [6]
15:11:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-i18nits-irc#T14-18-11
15:11:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to look on Atom and the bidi attribute and possibly ITS in general (PENDING) [7]
15:11:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-i18nits-irc#T14-18-40
15:11:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to start a summary page for comments we made on other drafts (DONE) [8]
15:11:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-i18nits-irc#T14-18-49
15:11:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: everybody to think about the idea: consider to have all existing schemas "ITS+..." with only markup which is not already in the schema, e.g. "ITS+XHTML" without its:dir? And have a general guideline to do that for existing schemas [9]
15:11:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-i18nits-irc#T14-27-51
15:11:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: everybody to look at the DocBook section from Jirka [10]
15:11:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-i18nits-irc#T14-28-18
15:11:53 <fsasaki> zakim, bye
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