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15:02:19 <DanC> DanC has changed the topic to: GRDDL WG 2 May http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda
15:02:20 <chimezie> ty
15:02:58 <Zakim> +DanC
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15:04:11 <DanC> Zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda
15:04:11 <Zakim> working on it, DanC
15:04:12 <Zakim> agenda+ Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-05-02T11:00-0400
15:04:13 <Zakim> agendum 1 added
15:04:15 <Zakim> agenda+ GRDDL Spec: Edits done
15:04:16 <Zakim> agendum 2 added
15:04:17 <Zakim> agenda+ Test Cases: Last Call
15:04:18 <Zakim> agendum 3 added
15:04:19 <Zakim> agenda+ CR request for GRDDL Spec
15:04:20 <Zakim> agendum 4 added
15:04:21 <Zakim> agenda+ Comments on GRDDL Spec since CR Request
15:04:22 <chimezie> Zakim, who is here?
15:04:24 <Zakim> agendum 5 added
15:04:28 <Zakim> agenda+ Primer - More Work, Note, or LC?
15:04:30 <Zakim> agendum 6 added
15:04:32 <Zakim> agenda+ WWW2007 Tutorial, W3C Track, etc.
15:04:34 <Zakim> agendum 7 added
15:04:36 <Zakim> agenda+ Advocating
15:04:40 <Zakim> agendum 8 added
15:04:42 <Zakim> agenda+ Relationship with RDFa
15:04:44 <Zakim> agendum 9 added
15:04:46 <Zakim> done reading agenda, DanC
15:04:48 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:04:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.216.445.aaaa, DanC, Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:04:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, john-l, chimezie, Simone, DanC
15:04:55 <DanC> Zakim, take up item 1
15:05:08 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-05-02T11:00-0400" taken up
15:05:51 <Zakim> + +1.919.457.aabb
15:06:13 <DanC> Zakim, mute aabb
15:06:13 <Zakim> +1.919.457.aabb should now be muted
15:06:49 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:06:49 <DanC> Zakim, where is 919?
15:06:50 <Zakim> North American dialing code 1.919 is North Carolina
15:06:56 <Zakim> - +1.919.457.aabb
15:07:08 <Simone> Zakim. IPcaller is me
15:07:29 <john-l> Zakim, [IPcaller] is Simone
15:07:29 <Zakim> +Simone; got it
15:08:14 <DanC> Regrets: RReck
15:08:17 <DanC> scribe?
15:08:24 <DanC> Regrets+ IanD
15:08:36 <DanC> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/att-0212/2007_04_25-grddl-minutes.html minutes 25 Apr
15:08:44 <Zakim> + +1.919.457.aacc
15:08:56 <DanC> Zakim, mute Simone 
15:08:56 <Zakim> Simone should now be muted
15:09:42 <john-l> Zakim, mute aacc
15:09:42 <Zakim> +1.919.457.aacc should now be muted
15:10:17 <DanC> RESOLVED: to approve minutes 25 Apr
15:10:58 <DanC> PROPOSED: to cancel 9 May and meet again 16 May
15:11:11 <DanC> agenda + next meeting: cancel 9 May and meet again 16 May ?
15:11:40 <DanC> agenda + change GRDDL WG telcon schedule?
15:12:00 <DanC> Regrets+ jjc
15:12:21 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:12:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.216.445.aaaa, DanC, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Simone (muted), +1.919.457.aacc (muted)
15:12:36 <john-l> Zakim, I am aaaa
15:12:36 <Zakim> +john-l; got it
15:12:38 <DanC> Zakim, aacc is HarryH
15:12:38 <Zakim> +HarryH; got it
15:12:40 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:12:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see john-l, DanC, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Simone (muted), HarryH (muted)
15:13:07 <DanC> Scribe: john-l 
15:13:11 <DanC> Zakim, next item
15:13:11 <Zakim> agendum 2. "GRDDL Spec: Edits done" taken up
15:13:27 <john-l> DanC: All my actions are done.
15:14:10 <john-l> ... Jeremy checked things; Dave Booth provided additional input, revealing a bug surrounding RDF/XML->RDF Graphs...
15:14:23 <john-l> ... Chime checked those changes, and we should be getting CR from the editor soon.
15:14:34 <DanC> s/the editor/the W3C webmaster/
15:14:35 <john-l> ... Any comments on the GRDDL spec edits?
15:14:45 <DanC> Zakim, next item
15:14:45 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Test Cases: Last Call" taken up
15:15:01 <DanC> ACTION: chime to update dom in ack [DONE]
15:15:12 <chimezie> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#acknowledgements
15:15:44 <john-l> DanC: Looks aknowledged to me, and in Unicode!
15:16:00 <DanC> ACTION: jjc remove XSLT 2.0 / XSLT 1.0 fallback from embeddedRDF.xsl [DONE]
15:17:05 <john-l> DanC: We need to index test cases by feature and/or issue.
15:17:31 <john-l> ... Either in the test cases document or the implementation report summary.
15:17:48 <john-l> chimezie: I started to do this.
15:19:05 <DanC> agenda + index of tests by feature/issues/assertion
15:19:12 <DanC> Zakim, next item
15:19:12 <Zakim> agendum 4. "CR request for GRDDL Spec" taken up
15:20:30 <chimezie> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/library
15:20:31 <john-l> DanC: We don't have pointers to other functions by design, because reference implies endorsement.
15:20:44 <DanC> ACTION: JJC to see that the CR request gets to The Director, copy chairs, as per http://www.w3.org/2005/08/transition?docstatus=cr-tr  [DONE]
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15:21:45 <DanC> possibility: add a link from library to http://esw.w3.org/topic/CustomRdfDialects with disclaimer re "community-maintained"
15:23:09 <john-l> DanC: So we want to help users find other transforms without saying that they're GRDDL WG-approved.
15:23:16 <Zakim> + +1.919.668.aadd
15:23:23 <HarryH> Zakim, aadd is HarryH
15:23:23 <Zakim> +HarryH; got it
15:24:56 <john-l> HarryH: There was a request for a list of "working" transformations.
15:25:22 <john-l> DanC: We could point to the Wiki, which is probably the best option.
15:25:38 <john-l> ... This is the community's problem.
15:26:33 <john-l> We don't want to use transforms from the test cases because they are offered for testing purposes only.
15:26:49 <HarryH> ACTION: HarryH to link from wiki to standard transform library.
15:27:39 <chimezie> Zakim, who is here?
15:27:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see john-l, DanC, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Simone (muted), HarryH (muted), HarryH.a
15:27:39 <DanC> Zakim, is fabien here?
15:27:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see HarryH, RRSAgent, Zakim, john-l, chimezie, Simone, DanC
15:27:43 <Zakim> DanC, I do not see Fabien anywhere
15:27:52 <john-l> HarryH: Fabian might be able to provide a logo.
15:28:03 <john-l> DanC: Logo contest?
15:28:10 <john-l> ... Raise awareness of GRDDL, perhaps?
15:30:18 <HarryH> ACTION: GRDDL Logo - semantic web at w3.org.
15:30:47 <HarryH> ACTION: HarryH to e-mail GRDDL Logo contest announcement - semantic web at w3.org.
15:31:23 <DanC> action -5
15:32:59 <DanC> Zakim, next item
15:32:59 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Comments on GRDDL Spec since CR Request" taken up
15:36:52 <john-l> chimezie: Do we require an OK from these commentors?
15:37:13 <john-l> DanC: No, but we're making a best effort to accomodate.
15:38:35 <DanC> Zakim, next item
15:38:35 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Primer - More Work, Note, or LC?" taken up
15:39:02 <john-l> HarryH: The Primer's up-to-date sans stuff about the health care example.
15:39:10 <john-l> ... I'm not quite done with my action.
15:39:34 <HarryH> ex:DiagnosingImage a owl:Class;
15:39:34 <HarryH>                    rdfs:subClassOf foaf:Image,
15:39:34 <HarryH>                    [ a owl:Restriction;
15:39:34 <HarryH>                      owl:onProperty ex:indicates;
15:39:34 <HarryH>                      owl:someValuesFrom cpr:medical-sign ].
15:40:49 <DanC> ACTION: HarryH to check any primer fixes in, with Chime etc. [CONTINUES]
15:42:00 <HarryH> XSLT for HReview depends on BrianS's XSLT transform, which includes a bunch of other stylesheets.
15:43:01 <john-l> HarryH: Ok to link to BrianS's stylesheet iff we're going to Note.
15:44:03 <john-l> Several members briefly discussed moving these stylesheets into space under our control.
15:44:39 <DanC> Zakim, next item
15:44:39 <Zakim> agendum 7. "WWW2007 Tutorial, W3C Track, etc" taken up
15:45:09 <HarryH> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/tut7/gtut.html
15:45:26 <HarryH> It's basically the Primer as a tutorial.
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15:46:33 <john-l> HarryH: Should we assume the audience knows SPARQL?
15:46:36 <john-l> DanC: No.
15:47:02 <john-l> HarryH: Then someone (preferrably not me) needs to come up with some content on this.
15:47:09 <john-l> ... And other background issues.
15:48:00 <DanC> Zakim, next item
15:48:00 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Advocating" taken up
15:48:22 <Zakim> + +049238aaee
15:48:37 <chimezie> http://www.semantic-conference.com/2007/conferenceglance.html
15:48:47 <john-l> Zakim, aaee is FabienG
15:48:47 <Zakim> +FabienG; got it
15:48:49 <chimezie> has microformats and is GRDDLable
15:49:13 <john-l> FabienG: You don't want me to draw that logo.  :)
15:49:24 <HarryH> Simone - if you can produce a logo that would be great!
15:49:40 <DanC> ACTION: Chime to get Semantic Tech 2007 to use GRDDL+microformats for their calendar [DONE]
15:50:23 <DanC> ACTION: HarryH  to contact WWW2007 over microformats+GRDDL for their calendar. [DONE]
15:52:44 <john-l> chimezie: I'll be leading a BOF session at SemTech 2007... anyone else want in?
15:52:56 <john-l> ... (BOF on GRDDL, that is)
15:53:20 <DanC> checking http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/CG/#future ...
15:55:50 <DanC> Zakim, next item
15:55:50 <Zakim> agendum 9. "Relationship with RDFa" taken up
15:55:53 <chimezie> ACTION: Chime to contact SemWebCG (CC IvanH) about who might be at STC '07 - mention session
15:56:52 <chimezie> wasn't there a request to callout RDFa in the same way we callout XPROC?
15:57:41 <DanC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/0093.html
15:57:45 <john-l> FabienG: I have produced two hGRDDL transforms.
15:58:04 <john-l> ... I don't think there are enough eyes from the hCard community on these transforms.
15:58:05 <DanC> ACTION: Fabien to take action on testcase for microformat+XHTML->RDFa (i.e. hGRDDL). [DONE]
15:58:28 <john-l> ... There may be a problem with cascading/combined transforms.
15:59:48 <FabienG> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Apr/0129.html
16:00:20 <FabienG> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Apr/0132.html
16:04:11 <john-l> Several members discuss how to use RDFa as the output from a GRDDL transformation.
16:04:59 <john-l> FabienG: Members of the RDFa were asking for a merge of the RDFa result documents.
16:05:11 <john-l> DanC noted that this is clearly outside the scope of GRDDL.
16:05:27 <john-l> s/RDFa/RDFa community/
16:06:08 <DanC> ACTION: john-l to make sure rdfa1 test case text reflects current state of rdfa. [DONE]
16:06:18 <DanC> Zakim, next item
16:06:18 <Zakim> agendum 10. "next meeting: cancel 9 May and meet again 16 May ?" taken up [from DanC]
16:07:07 <DanC> note also IanD's schedule request
16:08:49 <DanC> PROPOSED: to meet again Wed 16 May 11amET, Harry to chair, ?? to scribe
16:08:54 <DanC> Zakim, pick a scribe
16:08:54 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose HarryH.a
16:08:57 <HarryH> 16th of May Meeting...
16:09:00 <HarryH> Zakim, pick a scribe
16:09:00 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Simone (muted)
16:09:08 <HarryH> Zakim, pick a scribe
16:09:08 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Simone (muted)
16:09:13 <HarryH> Zakim, pick a scribe
16:09:14 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Chimezie_Ogbuji
16:09:24 <DanC> RESOLVED: to meet again Wed 16 May 11amET, Harry to chair, chime to scribe
16:10:03 <DanC> Zakim, take up item 12
16:10:03 <Zakim> agendum 12. "index of tests by feature/issues/assertion" taken up [from DanC]
16:10:45 <FabienG> I have to send regrets until May 30th.
16:11:05 <john-l> HarryH: There was a request from ??? for better correspondance between spec features and test cases.
16:11:28 <DanC> noted, FabienG ... at least... assuming HH sees your regrets
16:12:35 <john-l> DanC: An index by feature seems to make sense.
16:12:50 <john-l> chimezie: That's fine, but I might need help with an index by issue.
16:12:54 <DanC> ACTION chimezie: start an index of tests by normative assertion (proxy for feature)
16:13:37 <DanC> ACTION harry: start an index of tests by issue (not urgent; due 30 May)
16:14:15 <john-l> DanC: The thing that we might question is issues with no tests, not the other way 'round.
16:15:00 <DanC> ADJOURN
16:15:16 <john-l> RRSAgent, please make minutes world readable
16:15:16 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'please make minutes world readable', john-l.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:15:33 <john-l> RRSAgent, please make minutes world accessable
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16:15:54 <Zakim> -HarryH
16:17:03 <john-l> RRSAgent, please make these minutes world-readable
16:17:03 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'please make these minutes world-readable', john-l.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:17:33 <john-l> RRSAgent, please make these logs world-readable
16:17:44 <john-l> RRSAgent, please draft the minutes
16:17:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-grddl-wg-minutes.html john-l
16:18:14 <john-l> RRSAgent, please make these logs world-readable
16:19:34 <john-l> Zakim, who's here?
16:19:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see john-l, DanC, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Simone (muted), HarryH.a, FabienG
16:19:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see FabienG, HarryH, RRSAgent, Zakim, john-l, chimezie, Simone, DanC
16:19:55 <john-l> Zakim, list participants
16:19:55 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.216.445.aaaa, DanC, Chimezie_Ogbuji, +1.919.457.aabb, Simone, +1.919.457.aacc, john-l, HarryH, +1.919.668.aadd, +049238aaee, FabienG
16:20:08 <john-l> RRSAgent, please draft the minutes
16:20:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-grddl-wg-minutes.html john-l
16:21:25 <Zakim> -john-l
16:21:41 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
16:22:22 <HarryH> xH: A Standards-based Web Application Programming Language
16:23:19 <Zakim> -FabienG
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16:32:35 <Zakim> -HarryH.a
16:32:36 <Zakim> -DanC
16:33:03 <Zakim> -Simone
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16:33:05 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.216.445.aaaa, DanC, Chimezie_Ogbuji, +1.919.457.aabb, Simone, +1.919.457.aacc, john-l, HarryH, +1.919.668.aadd, +049238aaee, FabienG
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