IRC log of er on 2007-05-02

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13:56:28 [shadi]

zakim, this will be ERT

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ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

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meeting: ERT WG

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chair: Shadi

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007May/0002.html

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agenda+ Pointer Methods in RDF

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agenda+ EARL 1.0 Guide

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agenda+ EARL 1.0 Schema comments

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agenda+ HTTP Vocabulary in RDF comments

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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started

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+Shadi

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+Klaus/Johannes/Thomas

14:00:45 [JohannesK]

zakim, klaus is really JohannesK

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+JohannesK; got it

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+??P5

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agenda+ Update from TSD TF

14:03:52 [carlosV]

zakim, p5 is really carlosV

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sorry, carlosV, I do not recognize a party named 'p5'

14:03:54 [shadi]

zakim, ??p5 is really CarlosV

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+CarlosV; got it

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+[CTIC]

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agenda?

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re

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scribe: CarlosI

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scribenick: CarlosI

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zakim, take up agendum 1

14:07:20 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Pointer Methods in RDF" taken up [from shadi]

14:08:21 [CarlosI]

SAZ: CI, any news about it?

14:08:29 [CarlosI]

CI: work in progress

14:08:51 [CarlosI]

CI: hopefully something avalaible for the next week

14:09:12 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 2

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agendum 2. "EARL 1.0 Guide" taken up [from shadi]

14:09:45 [CarlosI]

SAZ: CV, news about Guide?

14:10:07 [CarlosI]

CV: quite busy with BenToWeb

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CV: some issues raised with the content class

14:11:39 [CarlosI]

hopefully an updated version for the 11th

14:13:02 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 5

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agendum 5. "Update from TSD TF" taken up [from shadi]

14:14:23 [CarlosI]

SAZ: issue from TSD TF about test cases metadata expressed as XML instead of RDF

14:15:43 [CarlosI]

SAZ: the need of a TCDL is something this WG has discussed before

14:16:58 [CarlosI]

SAZ: CV, could this be something you can participate after EARL (and probably BTW) work?

14:17:33 [CarlosI]

CV: not clear know

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CI: it's something we already need but must come after EARL

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CI: not sure about CTIC interest

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SAZ: at this stage there is no critical mass

14:20:28 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 3

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agendum 3. "EARL 1.0 Schema comments" taken up [from shadi]

14:22:04 [CarlosI]

SAZ: not been here next week and maybe the need after

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SAZ: would like to have meeting for the rest of the group anyway with JK as temporal chair

14:23:09 [CarlosI]

no objections

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ACTION: CV to send new comments about EARL schema

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/issues

14:25:23 [CarlosI]

SAZ: several are just editorial

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SAZ: let's have a light walk through

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quick review discussion...

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RESOLUTION: mark the following issues as editorial: 1-3; 5-6; 15-18; 24-28;

14:42:39 [CarlosI]

SAZ: the way we're using OWL (mixing RDF and OWL) is not valid

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SAZ: two options OWL or RDF

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SAZ: RDF seems more sensible know

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SAZ: min cardinalities are restrictions but not rules restrictions (the use we do know), they are more ontological restrictions

14:47:12 [CarlosI]

SAZ: any further comment should be send to the list ASAP

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JK: if we decide to create an XML schema, are still consuming tools required to be able to understand RDF?

14:49:13 [CarlosI]

SAZ: know we are asuming RDF is the only normative representation

14:49:52 [CarlosI]

SAZ: EARL is a simple vocabulary and it may have a one to one mapping with XML

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JK: it's not one to one

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SAZ: would like to see pros and cons

14:51:36 [CarlosI]

SAZ: something to discuss on the mailing list

14:52:03 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 4

14:52:03 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "HTTP Vocabulary in RDF comments" taken up [from shadi]

14:53:38 [CarlosI]

SAZ: JK, something to remark?

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JK: comments about inconsistence of the schema

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JK: there are no predefined response codes for extensions

14:55:41 [CarlosI]

JK: why don't have literal values for some properties

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SAZ: HTTP in RDF is not in the REC track

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SAZ: something to discuss

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-JohannesK

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-Shadi

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-[CTIC]

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-CarlosV

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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Shadi, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, JohannesK, CarlosV, [CTIC]

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zakim, bye

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rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-er-minutes.html shadi

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rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-er-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: CV to send new comments about EARL schema [1]

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