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14:51:05 <Jonathan> Meeting: WS Description WG telcon
14:51:08 <Jonathan> Chair: Jonathan
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14:59:43 <Jonathan> zakim, aaaa is alewis
14:59:43 <Zakim> +alewis; got it
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15:02:07 <Jonathan> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:02:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see alewis, Jonathan_Marsh, Plh, TonyR, Allen_Brookes, [Microsoft], Gilbert_Pilz, JacekK
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15:03:24 <gpilz> SCRIBE: gpilz
15:03:31 <gpilz> ACTION ITEMS:
15:03:46 <gpilz> TOPIC: action items
15:04:38 <gpilz> Jonathan: some editorial action items for Phillipe
15:04:50 <gpilz> Phillipe: All of them are closed
15:05:14 <plh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2007Apr/0070.html
15:05:47 <gpilz> Jonathan: Lets talk about "wsdl20" token for the dated versions of the schemas
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15:06:13 <gpilz> Phillipe: What do people want?
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15:06:32 <gpilz> Jonathan: I thought the dated versions were supposed to be stable?
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15:06:44 <gpilz> Phillipe: I'm not sure
15:06:52 <charlton> zakim, who is on the call?
15:06:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see alewis, Jonathan_Marsh, Plh, TonyR, Allen_Brookes, [Microsoft], Gilbert_Pilz, JacekK, +7..aabb
15:07:02 <charlton> zakim, aabb is charlton
15:07:02 <Zakim> +charlton; got it
15:07:17 <gpilz> Jonathan: It seems strange to hacve '20' in the dated versions but not the latest versions . . .
15:07:44 <gpilz> Tony: I don't like the 'wsdl20'; I don't mind 'wsdl2'
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15:08:01 <gpilz> Phillipe: Lets drop '20' or '2' etc.
15:08:08 <gpilz> ... Just 'wsdl'
15:08:16 <gpilz> Jonathan: That would be great
15:08:25 <Zakim> +monica
15:08:26 <gpilz> Tony: That would be consistent as well
15:09:06 <Zakim> +Roberto
15:09:28 <gpilz> RESOLUTION: Phillipe to add the above to existing action item
15:09:40 <plh> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4431
15:09:50 <gpilz> TOPIC: bug 4431
15:10:50 <gpilz> Phillipe: (requests some clarification)
15:11:02 <gpilz> TOPIC: bug 4491
15:12:42 <gpilz> Jonathan: (describes bug)
15:12:53 <gpilz> ... It's not clear to me how critical this is going to be?
15:12:57 <gpilz> ... Thoughts?
15:13:24 <gpilz> Phillipe: Updating the spec is the easy part; we'd have to update all the tests as well.
15:13:41 <gpilz> Tony: I can see someone doing this for a test but not in real life
15:15:11 <Zakim> -Allen_Brookes
15:15:31 <gpilz> All: (back and forth on details - is this runtime behavior or something that should be described?)
15:17:53 <gpilz> Jonathan: I'm not hearing anybody who thinks this is obviously necessary
15:18:11 <gpilz> Tony: If its going to hold things up, sorry, its too late
15:18:35 <gpilz> Jonathan: Yeah, but you could make the case that this is really important
15:18:58 <gpilz> Phillipe: Tell me again what breaks if we don't have this?
15:19:06 <gpilz> Jonathan: I'm not sure . . .
15:19:44 <gpilz> ... I don't there's anything in WSDL or anywhere else that tells you you should fault if you get a 201 back instead of a 200
15:20:25 <gpilz> Tony: You may get a fault you hadn't thought of
15:20:40 <plh> q+
15:20:46 <gpilz> Jonathan: We could just fall back on HTTP and consider it a fault if you get a 4xx
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15:21:42 <gpilz> Phillipe: We have an in/out operation, what do we expect currently?
15:21:55 <gpilz> All: (not sure)
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15:22:27 <gpilz> Phillipe: That's my point. If we're going to get into this, we'll end up describing everything about the HTTP layer
15:22:38 <jjm> rrsagent, where am i?
15:22:38 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2007/04/26-ws-desc-irc#T15-22-38
15:25:01 <gpilz> Jean-Jacques: you can have faults without bodies and you need a way to differentiate faults from normal responses
15:27:33 <gpilz> Jean-Jacques: It seems that we don't have enough reasoning as to why we would need this feature . . .
15:27:59 <gpilz> Jonathan: Is it worth going back to PR?
15:28:23 <gpilz> Tony: This will be the last time we could add this for quite a while
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15:29:04 <gpilz> All: (discussion of schedule impacts)
15:29:46 <gpilz> RESOLUTION: close with no action
15:30:14 <gpilz> TOPIC: editorial issues
15:30:16 <Jonathan> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4492
15:30:23 <gpilz> Jonathan: 4492
15:32:39 <gpilz> RESOLUTION: accept proposal
15:34:04 <gpilz> TOPIC: 4493
15:35:54 <gpilz> RESOLUTION: accept proposal
15:36:14 <gpilz> TOPIC: review examples of WSDL 2.0 descriptions for existing HTTP
15:36:25 <gpilz> Jonathan: (summary - no joy here)
15:36:49 <gpilz> ... Phillipe, what do you think we need to show the Director? WSDL or interaction?
15:37:05 <gpilz> Phillipe: Both. We should at least show him the WSDL does work . .
15:38:08 <gpilz> Jonathan & Phillipe: (discussion of logistics around getting to PR)
15:38:40 <gpilz> Jonathan: Since we have to wait for 2 weeks anyway, should we just keep things open in case we find more typos, etc.?
15:38:48 <gpilz> Phillipe: No objections to that . . .
15:39:00 <gpilz> Jonathan: This also gives me time to respond to all the comments . . .
15:39:30 <gpilz> Phillipe: The editorial actions are all done
15:39:51 <gpilz> Jonathan: (proposes that we don't go to PR today)
15:40:30 <gpilz> ... How long between voting to go to PR and getting the PR docs published?
15:40:41 <gpilz> Phillipe: A week (probably)
15:42:12 <gpilz> Jonathan: Plan of record is that we will vote to go to PR in 2 weeks.
15:43:15 <gpilz> TOPIC: WSDL WG Comments on WSDL 1.1 Element Identifiers
15:43:27 <gpilz> Charlton: (summarizes)
15:45:34 <gpilz> Jonathan: I'll see if there is a response that I need to make . . .
15:46:08 <gpilz> Charlton: I need to let them know whether the WG accepts these resolutions
15:46:14 <gpilz> TOPIC: future telcons
15:46:53 <gpilz> Jonathan: No call next week. Next call in two weeks: 2007-05-10
15:46:59 <Zakim> -monica
15:47:11 <Zakim> -Plh
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15:47:30 <Jonathan> rrsagent, set log world
15:47:35 <Jonathan> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:47:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/26-ws-desc-minutes.html Jonathan
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