15:02:44 RRSAgent has joined #grddl-wg 15:02:44 logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-irc 15:03:16 zakim, who is on the phone? 15:03:24 On the phone I see ??P1, john-l, FabienG, HarryH 15:03:37 Zakim, i am ??p1 15:03:46 +rreck; got it 15:04:09 Zakim, what conference is this? 15:04:09 this is SW_GRDDL()11:00AM conference code 47335 15:04:19 +Chimezie_Ogbuji 15:04:25 Zakim, is harryH here? 15:04:25 probably, rreck; HarryH arrived 2 minutes ago 15:04:34 Zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda 15:04:35 working on it, HarryH 15:04:36 agenda+ Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-04-25T11:00-0400 15:04:39 agendum 11 added 15:04:41 agenda+ GRDDL Spec: Which XHTML documents? 15:04:42 agendum 12 added 15:04:43 agenda+ GRDDL Spec: #issue-mt-ns 15:04:44 agendum 13 added 15:04:46 agenda+ GRDDL Spec: #issue-base-uri 15:04:47 agendum 14 added 15:04:49 agenda+ Test Cases for Rejection 15:04:50 agendum 15 added 15:04:51 agenda+ Test Cases for Approval 15:04:52 agendum 16 added 15:04:53 agenda+ Test Cases: Last Call? 15:04:55 agendum 17 added 15:04:57 agenda+ CR request for GRDDL Spec 15:05:01 agendum 18 added 15:05:03 agenda+ Primer - More Work, Note, or LC? 15:05:05 agendum 19 added 15:05:07 agenda+ Advocating 15:05:09 agendum 20 added 15:05:13 agenda+ Relationship with RDFa 15:05:15 agendum 21 added 15:05:17 done reading agenda, HarryH 15:06:11 +[IPcaller] 15:06:14 Zakim, what is on the agenda? 15:06:15 I see 18 items remaining on the agenda: 15:06:17 4. Implementation report/PR request 15:06:17 Zakim, IPcaller is me 15:06:19 5. Test Cases: Towards Last Call 15:06:21 6. multiple values in @rel (GRDDL spec editorial) 15:06:27 7. mechanical rules (GRDDL spec editorial) 15:06:29 8. #issue-mt-ns (GRDDL spec editorial) 15:06:31 9. Advocating 15:06:33 10. Primer 15:06:35 11. Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-04-25T11:00-0400 15:06:37 12. GRDDL Spec: Which XHTML documents? 15:06:39 13. GRDDL Spec: #issue-mt-ns 15:06:41 14. GRDDL Spec: #issue-base-uri 15:06:43 15. Test Cases for Rejection 15:06:45 16. Test Cases for Approval 15:06:45 that's the norm for Zakim 15:06:47 17. Test Cases: Last Call? 15:06:49 18. CR request for GRDDL Spec 15:06:51 19. Primer - More Work, Note, or LC? 15:06:51 jjc has joined #grddl-wg 15:06:53 20. Advocating 15:06:55 21. Relationship with RDFa 15:06:55 Zakim, drop item 1 15:06:57 +Simone; got it 15:06:59 + +0127368aaaa 15:07:03 agendum 1, Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-04-18T11:00-0400, dropped 15:07:04 Zakim, item-1 15:07:05 I don't understand 'item-1', rreck 15:07:09 Zakim, item- 1 15:07:09 I don't understand 'item- 1', rreck 15:07:15 Zakim: reset memory 15:07:42 Zakim, reset memory 15:07:42 I don't understand 'reset memory', rreck 15:07:47 Zakim, drop agendum 1 15:07:47 agendum 1, Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-04-18T11:00-0400, dropped 15:08:02 Zakim, what is on the agenda? 15:08:02 I see 18 items remaining on the agenda: 15:08:07 4. Implementation report/PR request 15:08:10 5. Test Cases: Towards Last Call 15:08:15 6. multiple values in @rel (GRDDL spec editorial) 15:08:18 7. mechanical rules (GRDDL spec editorial) 15:08:19 8. #issue-mt-ns (GRDDL spec editorial) 15:08:20 9. Advocating 15:08:21 10. Primer 15:08:23 11. Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-04-25T11:00-0400 15:08:25 12. GRDDL Spec: Which XHTML documents? 15:08:27 13. GRDDL Spec: #issue-mt-ns 15:08:28 14. GRDDL Spec: #issue-base-uri 15:08:29 15. Test Cases for Rejection 15:08:31 16. Test Cases for Approval 15:08:33 17. Test Cases: Last Call? 15:08:35 18. CR request for GRDDL Spec 15:08:37 19. Primer - More Work, Note, or LC? 15:08:39 20. Advocating 15:08:41 Zakim, get lost 15:08:43 21. Relationship with RDFa 15:08:45 I don't understand 'get lost', rreck 15:09:06 no, i am learning Zakim 15:09:15 Zakim, clear the agenda 15:09:15 agenda cleared 15:09:23 Zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda 15:09:23 working on it, HarryH 15:09:25 agenda+ Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-04-25T11:00-0400 15:09:26 agendum 1 added 15:09:27 agenda+ GRDDL Spec: Which XHTML documents? 15:09:28 agendum 2 added 15:09:29 agenda+ GRDDL Spec: #issue-mt-ns 15:09:31 agendum 3 added 15:09:33 agenda+ GRDDL Spec: #issue-base-uri 15:09:34 agendum 4 added 15:09:35 agenda+ Test Cases for Rejection 15:09:36 agendum 5 added 15:09:37 agenda+ Test Cases for Approval 15:09:38 agendum 6 added 15:09:40 agenda+ Test Cases: Last Call? 15:09:42 agendum 7 added 15:09:44 agenda+ CR request for GRDDL Spec 15:09:46 agendum 8 added 15:09:48 agenda+ Primer - More Work, Note, or LC? 15:09:50 agendum 9 added 15:09:52 agenda+ Advocating 15:09:54 agendum 10 added 15:09:56 agenda+ Relationship with RDFa 15:09:58 agendum 11 added 15:10:00 done reading agenda, HarryH 15:10:06 Zakim, open item 1 15:10:06 agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-04-25T11:00-0400" taken up 15:10:13 chair: HarryH 15:10:18 scribe: Fabien 15:10:27 Zakim, who is on the phone? 15:10:28 On the phone I see rreck, john-l, FabienG, HarryH, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Simone, +0127368aaaa 15:10:34 +DanC 15:10:49 Zakim, aaaa is jjc 15:10:49 +jjc; got it 15:11:19 PROPOSE TO CLOSE WITHOUT DISCUSSION: ACTION: DanC to revise "transformation" rule to be clear about spaces, multiple values [DONE] in v1.252 15:11:28 PROPOSED: to approve GRDDL WG-- 18 Apr 2007 as a true record 15:11:35 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/att-0091/18-grddl-wg-minutes.html 15:11:58 APPROVED: GRDDL WG-- 18 Apr 2007 as a true record - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/att-0091/18-grddl-wg-minutes.html 15:12:04 PROPOSED: to meet again Wed, 2 May 11:00-0500. scribe volunteer? 15:12:18 ACTION: DanC to revise "transformation" rule to be clear about spaces, multiple values [DONE] 15:12:25 Zakim, pick a scribe? 15:12:25 I don't understand your question, HarryH. 15:12:27 Zakim, pick a scribe 15:12:27 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose FabienG 15:12:35 RReck will scribe next meeting. 15:12:54 Zakim, next item 15:12:54 agendum 2. "GRDDL Spec: Which XHTML documents?" taken up 15:13:15 see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/0129.html 15:13:22 esp http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/html-and-grddl-xform-attr 15:14:11 Chime: I can suggest text. 15:14:44 jjc: I suggested text but not for the green boxes 15:15:19 DanC: anything about media-types ? 15:15:24 Chime: no. 15:16:02 DanC: test case for plain text document don't have GRDDL resul ? 15:17:11 PROPOSED: that the premise of the rel="transform" depend only on (a) XML-wf-ness (b) root element name "html", (c) root element namespace http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml 15:17:22 PROPOSED: that the premise of the rel="transform" rule depend only on (a) XML-wf-ness (b) root element name "html", (c) root element namespace http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml 15:18:05 jjc: mime-types ? 15:18:22 "has an XML representation" which excludes text/plain 15:20:12 APPROVED: that the premise of the rel="transform" rule depend only on (a) XML-wf-ness (b) root element name "html", (c) root element namespace http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml 15:20:22 RESOLVED: that the premise of the rel="transform" rule depend only on (a) XML-wf-ness (b) root element name "html", (c) root element namespace http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml 15:20:30 Zakim, next item 15:20:30 agendum 3. "GRDDL Spec: #issue-mt-ns" taken up 15:22:09 Harry: happy with Dan's edit? 15:22:13 Everyone seems happy with DanC's edits. 15:22:17 Zakim, next item 15:22:17 agendum 4. "GRDDL Spec: #issue-base-uri" taken up 15:23:35 JJC: only informative text to remind the implementors 15:24:04 DanC: the HTML base case was not approved yet 15:24:26 ACTION DanC: yes, cite htmlbase1 to clarify "base IRI of E" in the case of XHTML 15:25:19 Zakim, open item 8 15:25:19 agendum 8. "CR request for GRDDL Spec" taken up 15:25:33 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/crrequest.html 15:25:46 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/lc-spec 15:26:18 Harry: Samsung leaved the working group 15:26:19 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/0119 has suggested text on html base 15:27:54 "@@FILL IN URI OF LATEST GRDDL REVISION" http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec 1.254 + 2 actions above 15:28:05 "@@FILL IN URI OF LATEST GRDDL REVISION" http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec 1.254 + 2 actions above + SOTD 15:28:24 "@@FILL IN URI OF LATEST GRDDL REVISION" http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec 1.254 + 2 actions above + SOTD + missing "a" 15:29:57 "@@FILL IN URI OF LATEST GRDDL REVISION" http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec 1.254 + 2 actions above + SOTD + missing "a" + whatever we figure for the STYPI 15:32:14 DanC: remove the pointer to the comment archive and use the table provided by jjc 15:33:30 jjc: current text has a normative dependency on the test that may prevent us to go to CR 15:33:46 "@@FILL IN URI OF LATEST GRDDL REVISION" http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec 1.254 + 2 actions above + SOTD + missing "a" + whatever we figure for the STYPI + demoting tests to informative 15:40:20 Harry: there is the article from XML site about GRDDL as an evidence 15:40:26 http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/web/library/wa-hmach1/index.html?ca=drs- A meaningful Web for humans and machines, Part 1: How humans can share the wealth of the Web 15:40:52 s/XML/IBM 15:41:34 DanC: RDFa and GRDDL compatibility is in the critical path. 15:42:13 SWD comments: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0015.html 15:43:35 ACTION DanC: s/metdata/metadata/ 15:44:02 ACTION DanC: cite "XFN" informatively 15:44:22 ACTION DanC: demote test citation to informative 15:44:40 "@@FILL IN URI OF LATEST GRDDL REVISION" http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec 1.254 + 5 actions above + SOTD + missing "a" + whatever we figure for the STYPI 15:45:36 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0003 15:45:45 not fully addressed 15:47:10 ACTION DanC: address editorial comments by Beckett in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0003 15:47:14 jjc: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0003 S2 is done, other S need editorial changes 15:47:19 "@@FILL IN URI OF LATEST GRDDL REVISION" http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec 1.254 + 6 actions above + SOTD + missing "a" + whatever we figure for the STYPI 15:48:23 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/0190 15:48:30 addressing dave beckett's comments 15:48:48 Zakim, who's on the phone? 15:48:48 On the phone I see rreck, john-l, FabienG, HarryH, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Simone, jjc, DanC 15:49:10 DanC: poll "confident done du deligence with comments" 15:49:15 +1 15:49:33 yes 15:50:56 Unanimous yes with the above comment integrated. 15:52:25 jjc: we have enough tests we need more implementation reports. 15:53:10 ACTION DanC: add test cases to spec abstract 15:53:15 "@@FILL IN URI OF LATEST GRDDL REVISION" http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec 1.254 + 6 actions above + SOTD + missing "a" + whatever we figure for the STYPI 15:56:34 jjc: should we talk about security or should we leave it out of the critical path? 15:56:59 Deployed in popular forums 15:59:37 -HarryH 16:00:15 DanC: Harry and jjc will be in charge of the CR request from now on. 16:01:55 PROPOSED: that we move GRDDL Specication to CR 2007/04/24 05:22:45 + changes @@FILL above OK'd by JJC, with CR request as drafted by HH and edits agreed by JJC 16:02:01 Zakim, pick a victim 16:02:01 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Chimezie_Ogbuji 16:02:52 PROPOSED: that we move GRDDL Specication (2007/04/24 05:22:45 + changes @@FILL above OK'd by JJC) to CR, using CR request text as drafted by HH and edits agreed by JJC 16:03:32 Chime: I second 16:03:47 i agree with the proposal as stated. 16:03:50 RESOLVED: that we move GRDDL Specication (2007/04/24 05:22:45 + changes @@FILL above OK'd by JJC) to CR, using CR request text as drafted by HH and edits agreed by JJC 16:04:09 no objection, no abstention 16:04:29 ACTION JJC: see that the CR request gets to The Director, copy chairs, as per http://www.w3.org/2005/08/transition?docstatus=cr-tr 16:04:49 Zakim, next item 16:04:49 agendum 4. "GRDDL Spec: #issue-base-uri" taken up 16:06:13 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#htmlbase1 16:06:52 jjc: I am trying to show that the correct answer depends on both the base URI and the current URI. 16:06:53 16:07:05 16:07:48 I will be abstaining from htmlbase* proposal votes as long as they are approved as informative 16:07:58 eek 16:08:00 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/whichdir.xsl 16:09:28 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/base/xhtmlWithBaseElement 16:10:20 16:10:20 Transformed by stylesheet from /2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/ 16:10:20 16:11:03 rdf:about="" is resolved with the retieval URI 16:11:08 Chime: the interaction with xml:base is not clear. 16:11:08 so the triple is 16:11:49 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/base/xhtmlWithBaseElement rdfs:comment "Transformed by stylesheet from /2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/" 16:12:03 DanC: don't want a WG decision id Chime is abstaining. 16:12:22 s/id/if 16:16:13 chime: really issue is with an html:base and an xml:base 16:16:44 Does GRDDL.py pass this particular test? 16:16:47 nope 16:17:03 jjc: the xinclude has such a case 16:17:22 HarryH has joined #grddl-wg 16:17:23 no xinclude has xml:base inside html 16:17:27 PROPOSED: to approve http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#htmlbase1 16:17:29 but no html base 16:17:52 so RESOLVED. 16:18:12 Zakim, next item 16:18:12 agendum 5. "Test Cases for Rejection" taken up 16:19:00 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#primer-hotel-data 16:19:50 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#httpHeaders 16:20:21 ACTION Chime: to remove http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#primer-hotel-data and http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#httpHeaders 16:20:37 Zakim, next item 16:20:37 agendum 6. "Test Cases for Approval" taken up 16:22:31 GRDDLpy-earl-2007-04-25.rdf 16:25:32 ok, I win, sorta: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/test_results 1.11 16:26:01 proposals will please enumerate tests in alphabetical order 16:26:31 Zakim, who's on the phone? 16:26:31 On the phone I see rreck, john-l, FabienG, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Simone, jjc, DanC 16:28:16 PROPOSAL: to extend the meeting to finish the work on test cases to go to LC. 16:28:46 i will stay in chat but leave the phone, i trust chimezie will make the best decision possible. 16:28:47 With base URI of (http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests): 16:28:52 #hcard1,#loop,#langconneg1,#langconneg2,#langconneg3,#xhtmlWithGrddlEnabledProfile,#xhtmlWithGrddlEnabledProfileAndADisabledInBodyTransform,#xhtmlWithGrddlEnabledProfileAndInBodyTransform,#xhtmlWithMoreThanOneGrddlTransformation 16:28:55 -rreck 16:30:30 Chime please run tests in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/pendinglist 16:32:59 RESOLVED: to approve all of #hcard1,#loop,#langconneg1,#langconneg2,#langconneg3,#xhtmlWithGrddlEnabledProfile,#xhtmlWithGrddlEnabledProfileAndADisabledInBodyTransform,#xhtmlWithGrddlEnabledProfileAndInBodyTransform,#xhtmlWithMoreThanOneGrddlTransformation 16:33:07 #card5n,#card5na,#embedded-rdf1,#embedded-rdf2,#embedded-rdf3,#glean-profile,#grddlonrdf,#hcard,#hcarda,#html-and-transformation-attr,#multipleRepresentations,#multipleRepresentations2,#multipleRepresentations3,#spaces-in-rel 16:34:09 RESOLVED: to approve #card5n,#card5na,#embedded-rdf1,#embedded-rdf2,#embedded-rdf3,#glean-profile,#grddlonrdf,#hcard,#hcarda,#html-and-transformation-attr,#multipleRepresentations,#multipleRepresentations2,#multipleRepresentations3,#spaces-in-rel 16:34:16 #embedded-rdf10,#embedded-rdf4,#embedded-rdf5,#embedded-rdf6,#embedded-rdf8,#embedded-rdf9 16:35:35 PROPOSED: to approve #embedded-rdf4 16:35:53 PROPOSED: #embedded-rdf10,#embedded-rdf5,#embedded-rdf6,#embedded-rdf8,#embedded-rdf9 16:36:09 RESOLVED: #embedded-rdf10,#embedded-rdf5,#embedded-rdf6,#embedded-rdf8,#embedded-rdf9 16:37:33 ACTION: jjc remove XSLT 2.0 / XSLT 1.0 fallback 16:37:47 s/back/back from embeddedRDF.xsl 16:39:33 PROPOSED: to approve #embedded-rdf4 with the output changed to have absolute URIs, for clarity 16:39:56 (chime, how many outstanding tests are there?) 16:40:16 9 left 16:40:53 ntriples is 16:40:55 "one" . 16:41:42 PROPOSED: to approve #embedded-rdf4 as is. 16:41:56 RESOLVED: to approve #embedded-rdf4 as is. 16:42:04 #embedded-rdf7,#embedded-rdf7-alt 16:42:48 jjc suggests removing #embedded-rdf7-alt, combined with action to take xslt2 out of lib above 16:43:31 jjc: the XSLT1 base handling stuff punts (xsl:message terminate="yes") in some cases. 16:44:29 ACTION chime: remove #embedded-rdf7,#embedded-rdf7-alt 16:44:35 #grddlProfileBase1,#grddlProfileBase2,#grddlProfileBase3,#htmlbase1,#htmlbase2,#htmlbase3,#htmlbase4 16:46:26 RESOLVED: to approve #grddlProfileBase1,#grddlProfileBase2,#grddlProfileBase3,#htmlbase1,#htmlbase2,#htmlbase3,#htmlbase4 16:47:03 #xmlbase1 16:47:54 outout doc: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/xmlWithBase-output 16:48:25 PROPOSED: to take test cases to last call, approving all tests that jjc+chime+john agree on, using editor's draft http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests 2007/04/25 14:20:41 + edits as agreed by chime and john 16:48:48 I give my "yes" 16:48:55 - critical corrections from msg 0184 and as suggested in this meeting 16:49:33 MSG is : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/0184.html 16:51:13 One other plan would then ship both the Primer and a revised Use-Case doc as Notes when we send everything to PR. 16:51:24 so RESOLVED. 16:51:30 -DanC 16:51:30 for the records: the issues (with current versions of those testgs): http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/0195.html 16:51:41 (those revisions having to deal with the tidy use-case in Use-Case Scenario document, and possibly wrapping an example of that into the Primer) 16:51:53 ADJOURN. 16:51:58 RESOLVED: to take test cases to last call, approving all tests that jjc+chime+john agree on, using editor's draft http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests 2007/04/25 14:20:41 + edits as agreed by chime and john 16:54:16 Thanks everyone. 16:54:38 Mission (very close to) accomplished. 16:54:42 jjc john chime agree to attempt to approve xmlbase 1-4 by e-mail, and possibly drop the other tests 16:54:54 Zakim, list participants 16:54:54 As of this point the attendees have been john-l, FabienG, HarryH, rreck, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Simone, +0127368aaaa, DanC, jjc 16:55:07 -Chimezie_Ogbuji 16:55:08 -john-l 16:55:08 -jjc 16:55:14 -Simone 16:56:06 -FabienG 16:56:07 SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has ended 16:56:08 Attendees were john-l, FabienG, HarryH, rreck, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Simone, +0127368aaaa, DanC, jjc 16:57:09 rrsagent, please set these logs world-visible 16:58:07 rrsagent, please create the minutes 16:58:07 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html FabienG 17:08:24 the record should show that Ian Davis concurs with the decisions to go to CR and LC, respectively. 17:26:31 oh! I just realized... a CR request has to sit around for at least 7 days before the CR is published. 17:27:09 neither harry nor jjc is around. :-/ 17:49:21 jjc has joined #grddl-wg 18:38:39 HarryH has joined #grddl-wg