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13:54:36 <Steven> rrsagent,make log public
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14:54:43 <John_Boyer> Hi Steven, you there?
14:54:56 <Steven> yes, on XHTML call
14:55:16 <John_Boyer> Somehow the agenda I sent isn't getting through.
14:55:26 <John_Boyer> I sent it to you; could you post to group please?
14:55:27 <Steven> urgh
14:55:32 <John_Boyer> agreed!
14:55:50 <John_Boyer> My apologies for the interruption...
14:56:01 <Steven> Didn't get it
14:56:24 <John_Boyer> Hmm, that seems to suggest my mail isn't working
14:57:07 <Steven> yep
14:57:14 <Steven> not still in your outbox?
14:57:35 <John_Boyer> No
14:58:04 <John_Boyer> I'm using Lotus Notes, which does DB replication.  That replication appears to be succeeding
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15:00:12 <lars> zakim, code please
15:00:12 <Zakim> I don't understand 'code', lars
15:00:19 <John_Boyer> zakim, this will be forms
15:00:19 <Zakim> ok, John_Boyer, I see HTML_Forms()11:00AM already started
15:00:52 <jan> jan has joined #forms
15:01:06 <John_Boyer> Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Teleconference
15:01:19 <Nick> Nick has joined #Forms
15:01:23 <Steven> zakim, code?
15:01:23 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Steven
15:01:26 <John_Boyer> Chair: John
15:01:45 <Zakim> +[IBM]
15:02:11 <Zakim> +Blake
15:02:14 <Charlie> Charlie has joined #forms
15:02:25 <Charlie> zakim, who is here?
15:02:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see Raman, John_Boyer, [IBM], Blake
15:02:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see Charlie, Nick, jan, lars, Blake, John_Boyer, markbirbeck, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven
15:02:28 <John_Boyer> Regrets: David, Ulrich, Joern, Rafael, Susan, Erik, Leigh
15:02:30 <jan> zakim, [ibm is jan
15:02:30 <Zakim> +jan; got it
15:02:31 <Zakim> +[IBM]
15:02:32 <Charlie> zakim, [IBM] is Charlie
15:02:32 <Zakim> +Charlie; got it
15:02:42 <Zakim> +lars
15:02:47 <John_Boyer> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Apr/0033.html
15:02:54 <Charlie> zakim, who is here?
15:02:56 <John_Boyer> John_Boyer has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Apr/0033.html
15:03:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see Raman, John_Boyer, jan, Blake, Charlie, lars
15:03:12 <Zakim> +Nick_van_den_Bleeken
15:03:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see Charlie, Nick, jan, lars, Blake, John_Boyer, markbirbeck, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven
15:03:43 <Steven> John, your mails just arrived
15:03:46 <Schnitz> Schnitz has joined #forms
15:03:50 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
15:03:52 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
15:03:52 <John_Boyer> yes I saw that!
15:03:55 <Schnitz> zakim, code?
15:03:56 <Zakim> +Steven
15:04:02 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Schnitz
15:05:09 <John_Boyer> zakim, who is here?
15:05:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see Raman, John_Boyer, jan, Blake, Charlie, lars, Nick_van_den_Bleeken (muted), Steven
15:05:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see Schnitz, Charlie, Nick, jan, lars, Blake, John_Boyer, markbirbeck, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven
15:05:59 <Zakim> +??P7
15:06:10 <Schnitz> zakim, ??p7 is me
15:06:13 <Zakim> +Schnitz; got it
15:06:17 <Schnitz> zakim, mute me
15:06:23 <Zakim> Schnitz should now be muted
15:07:45 <Schnitz> zakim, unmute me
15:07:45 <Zakim> Schnitz should no longer be muted
15:07:55 <Schnitz> I will try to remain unmuted
15:08:21 <Schnitz> if I happen to make too much noise, which shouldn't happen, please mute me
15:08:56 <Zakim> +Mark_Birbeck
15:09:39 <markbirbeck> Scribe: Mark Birbeck
15:10:00 <Steven> scribenick: 10markbirbeck01
15:10:15 <Steven> scribenick: markbirbeck
15:10:43 <markbirbeck> Note that Darryl hasn't rejoined the group.
15:11:05 <markbirbeck> Topic: Coming calls
15:11:48 <markbirbeck> John said that the next call is during the web conference.
15:12:07 <John_Boyer> John says May 9 (two calls from now) is during the web conference
15:12:11 <markbirbeck> Does this mean there should be no call?
15:13:12 <markbirbeck> John said that unless anyone is speaking at 9am on the Wednesday, it should be possible to make the call.
15:14:06 <markbirbeck> John asked if Steven could chair on the 16th.
15:14:34 <markbirbeck> Steven said he probably couldn't make it, due to XTech.
15:14:50 <markbirbeck> Steven agreed to the 23rd, though.
15:15:04 <markbirbeck> Sebastian volunteered to chair on the 16th.
15:15:13 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2003Aug/0000.html
15:15:40 <markbirbeck> Topic: Test suite issues
15:16:09 <markbirbeck> John asked Jan if the issues Bjoern raised are out of date now.
15:16:55 <markbirbeck> ACTION: Jan to send a response to Bjoern on the issues raised in email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2003Aug/0000.html
15:17:41 <Nick> Nick has joined #Forms
15:18:55 <markbirbeck> It should be noted that this email only came to light recently, because it was sent directly to the archives, without going via any of the XForms lists.
15:19:53 <markbirbeck> s/, because it was/; it had been/
15:21:26 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2002Nov/0002
15:21:34 <markbirbeck> Topic: Alphabetise the glossary
15:21:45 <Steven> 04 01http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms-testsuite/ existed in Feb 2003
15:21:45 <markbirbeck> ACTION: John to alphabetise the glossary.
15:21:56 <Steven> that was the place to send the message
15:22:59 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Apr/0064.html
15:23:20 <markbirbeck> Topic: Loading instance as .XML page
15:24:02 <markbirbeck> ACTION: Mark Birbeck to reply to email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Apr/0064.html
15:24:29 <markbirbeck> Topic: Managing the implementations list on the wiki
15:26:20 <jan> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_Implementations ... MozzIE is 3rd implementation listed
15:27:41 <markbirbeck> There seems to be support for moving items like news, implementations and so on, to the wiki.
15:27:56 <Zakim> -Raman
15:28:18 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/
15:28:38 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/
15:28:51 <markbirbeck> Topic: Last call issues
15:29:01 <Nick> Nick has joined #Forms
15:29:44 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0003.html
15:30:59 <Steven> It is possible to make the wiki editable by WG only
15:31:05 <Steven> I am requesting it now
15:31:35 <markbirbeck> David's email says that it is not clear when the calculation should be recalculated.
15:32:07 <markbirbeck> He says that therefore calculated nodes should always be readonly.
15:34:03 <John_Boyer> zakim, who is here?
15:34:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Boyer, jan, Blake, Charlie, lars, Nick_van_den_Bleeken (muted), Steven, Schnitz, Mark_Birbeck
15:34:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see Nick, Schnitz, Charlie, jan, lars, Blake, John_Boyer, markbirbeck, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven
15:35:00 <markbirbeck> John asked if we need to have a different approach to handling LC comments.
15:39:16 <lars> zakim, mute me
15:39:19 <Zakim> lars should now be muted
15:44:11 <markbirbeck> It seems that the issues are (a) any changes that a user makes will be overwritten and (b) that since '.' will not create a dependency in the dependency graph, not all calculations will be recalculated in recalculate(), unless there was a rebuild first.
15:46:39 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0003.html
15:46:59 <markbirbeck> ACTION: John will start a thread on the list so as to arrive at a LC response to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0003.html
15:47:30 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0004.html
15:48:09 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0006.html
15:48:28 <markbirbeck> Topic: Last call comment that XForms 1.1 is missing a string compare capability.
15:48:57 <Nick> Nick has joined #Forms
15:49:46 <Nick> but if we add that we in europe can't use it
15:50:47 <Steven> Wiki is now writeable only for group members
15:51:26 <Nick> zakim, unmute me
15:51:26 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should no longer be muted
15:51:49 <markbirbeck> Mark raised Michael Kay's email, and said that if we are considering this kind of functionality, we should consider doing it in an XPath 2.0 way.
15:53:41 <markbirbeck> Nick said that the string-compare() function would not be as useful to his use-cases without the collation features that XPath 2.0 has.
15:54:20 <markbirbeck> It was agreed that we would try to create something that was as close as possible to XPath 2.0 as possible.
15:57:17 <markbirbeck> Topic: Manage the implementations list on the wiki
15:57:35 <Nick> zakim, mute me
15:57:36 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
15:58:35 <Nick> Nick has joined #Forms
15:59:37 <Nick>  mark my irc client is crashing constantly so I'm not sure but did you created the two action items for the reponses wit 'ACTION:'?
15:59:53 <markbirbeck> Nick, I didn't...sorry.
16:00:40 <Nick> can you still create them, that otherwise it is hard for me to create them in 'my' system
16:00:49 <markbirbeck> Nick, yes, will do.
16:00:58 <Nick> thanks
16:03:12 <Nick> the system that we have now has more information
16:03:26 <Nick> I've looked to the database tables
16:03:27 <markbirbeck> ACTION: Nick to to look at the string-compare() proposal from John, and see whether we can bring this into line with XPath 2.0's compare() function. This should form the basis of a response to John's LC commment http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0004.html
16:03:37 <Zakim> -Charlie
16:03:38 <Zakim> -jan
16:03:39 <Nick> bye
16:03:40 <Zakim> -Steven
16:03:42 <Zakim> -lars
16:03:43 <Zakim> -Mark_Birbeck
16:03:45 <Zakim> -Blake
16:03:48 <Zakim> -Nick_van_den_Bleeken
16:03:50 <Nick> Nick has left #Forms
16:03:52 <Zakim> -John_Boyer
16:03:52 <Blake> Blake has left #forms
16:05:33 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
16:05:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see Schnitz
16:05:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see Schnitz, lars, John_Boyer, markbirbeck, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven
16:05:42 <Steven> zakim, drop sc
16:05:42 <Zakim> Schnitz is being disconnected
16:05:44 <Zakim> HTML_Forms()11:00AM has ended
16:05:45 <Zakim> Attendees were Raman, John_Boyer, Blake, jan, Charlie, lars, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, Steven, Schnitz, Mark_Birbeck
16:05:49 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make log public
16:05:59 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
16:05:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-forms-minutes.html Steven
16:06:12 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, bye
16:06:12 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-forms-actions.rdf :
16:06:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jan to send a response to Bjoern on the issues raised in email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2003Aug/0000.html [1]
16:06:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-forms-irc#T15-16-55
16:06:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: John to alphabetise the glossary. [2]
16:06:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-forms-irc#T15-21-45-1
16:06:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mark Birbeck to reply to email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Apr/0064.html [3]
16:06:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-forms-irc#T15-24-02
16:06:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: John will start a thread on the list so as to arrive at a LC response to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0003.html [4]
16:06:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-forms-irc#T15-46-59
16:06:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Nick to to look at the string-compare() proposal from John, and see whether we can bring this into line with XPath 2.0's compare() function. This should form the basis of a response to John's LC commment http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0004.html [5]
16:06:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-forms-irc#T16-03-27