IRC log of forms on 2007-04-25
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- 13:54:29 [RRSAgent]
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-forms-irc
- 13:54:36 [Steven]
- rrsagent,make log public
- 14:03:50 [markbirbeck]
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- 14:54:19 [John_Boyer]
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- 14:54:43 [John_Boyer]
- Hi Steven, you there?
- 14:54:56 [Steven]
- yes, on XHTML call
- 14:55:16 [John_Boyer]
- Somehow the agenda I sent isn't getting through.
- 14:55:26 [John_Boyer]
- I sent it to you; could you post to group please?
- 14:55:27 [Steven]
- urgh
- 14:55:32 [John_Boyer]
- agreed!
- 14:55:50 [John_Boyer]
- My apologies for the interruption...
- 14:56:01 [Steven]
- Didn't get it
- 14:56:24 [John_Boyer]
- Hmm, that seems to suggest my mail isn't working
- 14:57:07 [Steven]
- yep
- 14:57:14 [Steven]
- not still in your outbox?
- 14:57:35 [John_Boyer]
- No
- 14:58:04 [John_Boyer]
- I'm using Lotus Notes, which does DB replication. That replication appears to be succeeding
- 14:59:33 [Blake]
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- 15:00:12 [lars]
- zakim, code please
- 15:00:12 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'code', lars
- 15:00:19 [John_Boyer]
- zakim, this will be forms
- 15:00:19 [Zakim]
- ok, John_Boyer, I see HTML_Forms()11:00AM already started
- 15:00:52 [jan]
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- 15:01:06 [John_Boyer]
- Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Teleconference
- 15:01:19 [Nick]
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- 15:01:23 [Steven]
- zakim, code?
- 15:01:23 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Steven
- 15:01:26 [John_Boyer]
- Chair: John
- 15:01:45 [Zakim]
- +[IBM]
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- +Blake
- 15:02:14 [Charlie]
- Charlie has joined #forms
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- zakim, who is here?
- 15:02:25 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Raman, John_Boyer, [IBM], Blake
- 15:02:27 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see Charlie, Nick, jan, lars, Blake, John_Boyer, markbirbeck, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven
- 15:02:28 [John_Boyer]
- Regrets: David, Ulrich, Joern, Rafael, Susan, Erik, Leigh
- 15:02:30 [jan]
- zakim, [ibm is jan
- 15:02:30 [Zakim]
- +jan; got it
- 15:02:31 [Zakim]
- +[IBM]
- 15:02:32 [Charlie]
- zakim, [IBM] is Charlie
- 15:02:32 [Zakim]
- +Charlie; got it
- 15:02:42 [Zakim]
- +lars
- 15:02:47 [John_Boyer]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Apr/0033.html
- 15:02:54 [Charlie]
- zakim, who is here?
- 15:02:56 [John_Boyer]
- John_Boyer has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Apr/0033.html
- 15:03:08 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Raman, John_Boyer, jan, Blake, Charlie, lars
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- +Nick_van_den_Bleeken
- 15:03:18 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see Charlie, Nick, jan, lars, Blake, John_Boyer, markbirbeck, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven
- 15:03:43 [Steven]
- John, your mails just arrived
- 15:03:46 [Schnitz]
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- 15:03:50 [Steven]
- zakim, dial steven-617
- 15:03:52 [Zakim]
- ok, Steven; the call is being made
- 15:03:52 [John_Boyer]
- yes I saw that!
- 15:03:55 [Schnitz]
- zakim, code?
- 15:03:56 [Zakim]
- +Steven
- 15:04:02 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Schnitz
- 15:05:09 [John_Boyer]
- zakim, who is here?
- 15:05:23 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Raman, John_Boyer, jan, Blake, Charlie, lars, Nick_van_den_Bleeken (muted), Steven
- 15:05:43 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see Schnitz, Charlie, Nick, jan, lars, Blake, John_Boyer, markbirbeck, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven
- 15:05:59 [Zakim]
- +??P7
- 15:06:10 [Schnitz]
- zakim, ??p7 is me
- 15:06:13 [Zakim]
- +Schnitz; got it
- 15:06:17 [Schnitz]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:06:23 [Zakim]
- Schnitz should now be muted
- 15:07:45 [Schnitz]
- zakim, unmute me
- 15:07:45 [Zakim]
- Schnitz should no longer be muted
- 15:07:55 [Schnitz]
- I will try to remain unmuted
- 15:08:21 [Schnitz]
- if I happen to make too much noise, which shouldn't happen, please mute me
- 15:08:56 [Zakim]
- +Mark_Birbeck
- 15:09:39 [markbirbeck]
- Scribe: Mark Birbeck
- 15:10:00 [Steven]
- scribenick: 10markbirbeck01
- 15:10:15 [Steven]
- scribenick: markbirbeck
- 15:10:43 [markbirbeck]
- Note that Darryl hasn't rejoined the group.
- 15:11:05 [markbirbeck]
- Topic: Coming calls
- 15:11:48 [markbirbeck]
- John said that the next call is during the web conference.
- 15:12:07 [John_Boyer]
- John says May 9 (two calls from now) is during the web conference
- 15:12:11 [markbirbeck]
- Does this mean there should be no call?
- 15:13:12 [markbirbeck]
- John said that unless anyone is speaking at 9am on the Wednesday, it should be possible to make the call.
- 15:14:06 [markbirbeck]
- John asked if Steven could chair on the 16th.
- 15:14:34 [markbirbeck]
- Steven said he probably couldn't make it, due to XTech.
- 15:14:50 [markbirbeck]
- Steven agreed to the 23rd, though.
- 15:15:04 [markbirbeck]
- Sebastian volunteered to chair on the 16th.
- 15:15:13 [John_Boyer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2003Aug/0000.html
- 15:15:40 [markbirbeck]
- Topic: Test suite issues
- 15:16:09 [markbirbeck]
- John asked Jan if the issues Bjoern raised are out of date now.
- 15:16:55 [markbirbeck]
- ACTION: Jan to send a response to Bjoern on the issues raised in email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2003Aug/0000.html
- 15:17:41 [Nick]
- Nick has joined #Forms
- 15:18:55 [markbirbeck]
- It should be noted that this email only came to light recently, because it was sent directly to the archives, without going via any of the XForms lists.
- 15:19:53 [markbirbeck]
- s/, because it was/; it had been/
- 15:21:26 [John_Boyer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2002Nov/0002
- 15:21:34 [markbirbeck]
- Topic: Alphabetise the glossary
- 15:21:45 [Steven]
- 04 01http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms-testsuite/ existed in Feb 2003
- 15:21:45 [markbirbeck]
- ACTION: John to alphabetise the glossary.
- 15:21:56 [Steven]
- that was the place to send the message
- 15:22:59 [John_Boyer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Apr/0064.html
- 15:23:20 [markbirbeck]
- Topic: Loading instance as .XML page
- 15:24:02 [markbirbeck]
- ACTION: Mark Birbeck to reply to email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Apr/0064.html
- 15:24:29 [markbirbeck]
- Topic: Managing the implementations list on the wiki
- 15:26:20 [jan]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_Implementations ... MozzIE is 3rd implementation listed
- 15:27:41 [markbirbeck]
- There seems to be support for moving items like news, implementations and so on, to the wiki.
- 15:27:56 [Zakim]
- -Raman
- 15:28:18 [John_Boyer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/
- 15:28:38 [John_Boyer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/
- 15:28:51 [markbirbeck]
- Topic: Last call issues
- 15:29:01 [Nick]
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- 15:29:44 [John_Boyer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0003.html
- 15:30:59 [Steven]
- It is possible to make the wiki editable by WG only
- 15:31:05 [Steven]
- I am requesting it now
- 15:31:35 [markbirbeck]
- David's email says that it is not clear when the calculation should be recalculated.
- 15:32:07 [markbirbeck]
- He says that therefore calculated nodes should always be readonly.
- 15:34:03 [John_Boyer]
- zakim, who is here?
- 15:34:03 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see John_Boyer, jan, Blake, Charlie, lars, Nick_van_den_Bleeken (muted), Steven, Schnitz, Mark_Birbeck
- 15:34:05 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see Nick, Schnitz, Charlie, jan, lars, Blake, John_Boyer, markbirbeck, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven
- 15:35:00 [markbirbeck]
- John asked if we need to have a different approach to handling LC comments.
- 15:39:16 [lars]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:39:19 [Zakim]
- lars should now be muted
- 15:44:11 [markbirbeck]
- It seems that the issues are (a) any changes that a user makes will be overwritten and (b) that since '.' will not create a dependency in the dependency graph, not all calculations will be recalculated in recalculate(), unless there was a rebuild first.
- 15:46:39 [John_Boyer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0003.html
- 15:46:59 [markbirbeck]
- ACTION: John will start a thread on the list so as to arrive at a LC response to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0003.html
- 15:47:30 [John_Boyer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0004.html
- 15:48:09 [John_Boyer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0006.html
- 15:48:28 [markbirbeck]
- Topic: Last call comment that XForms 1.1 is missing a string compare capability.
- 15:48:57 [Nick]
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- 15:49:46 [Nick]
- but if we add that we in europe can't use it
- 15:50:47 [Steven]
- Wiki is now writeable only for group members
- 15:51:26 [Nick]
- zakim, unmute me
- 15:51:26 [Zakim]
- Nick_van_den_Bleeken should no longer be muted
- 15:51:49 [markbirbeck]
- Mark raised Michael Kay's email, and said that if we are considering this kind of functionality, we should consider doing it in an XPath 2.0 way.
- 15:53:41 [markbirbeck]
- Nick said that the string-compare() function would not be as useful to his use-cases without the collation features that XPath 2.0 has.
- 15:54:20 [markbirbeck]
- It was agreed that we would try to create something that was as close as possible to XPath 2.0 as possible.
- 15:57:17 [markbirbeck]
- Topic: Manage the implementations list on the wiki
- 15:57:35 [Nick]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:57:36 [Zakim]
- Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
- 15:58:35 [Nick]
- Nick has joined #Forms
- 15:59:37 [Nick]
- mark my irc client is crashing constantly so I'm not sure but did you created the two action items for the reponses wit 'ACTION:'?
- 15:59:53 [markbirbeck]
- Nick, I didn't...sorry.
- 16:00:40 [Nick]
- can you still create them, that otherwise it is hard for me to create them in 'my' system
- 16:00:49 [markbirbeck]
- Nick, yes, will do.
- 16:00:58 [Nick]
- thanks
- 16:03:12 [Nick]
- the system that we have now has more information
- 16:03:26 [Nick]
- I've looked to the database tables
- 16:03:27 [markbirbeck]
- ACTION: Nick to to look at the string-compare() proposal from John, and see whether we can bring this into line with XPath 2.0's compare() function. This should form the basis of a response to John's LC commment http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0004.html
- 16:03:37 [Zakim]
- -Charlie
- 16:03:38 [Zakim]
- -jan
- 16:03:39 [Nick]
- bye
- 16:03:40 [Zakim]
- -Steven
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- -lars
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- -Mark_Birbeck
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- -Blake
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- -Nick_van_den_Bleeken
- 16:03:50 [Nick]
- Nick has left #Forms
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- -John_Boyer
- 16:03:52 [Blake]
- Blake has left #forms
- 16:05:33 [Steven]
- zakim, who is here?
- 16:05:33 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Schnitz
- 16:05:34 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see Schnitz, lars, John_Boyer, markbirbeck, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven
- 16:05:42 [Steven]
- zakim, drop sc
- 16:05:42 [Zakim]
- Schnitz is being disconnected
- 16:05:44 [Zakim]
- HTML_Forms()11:00AM has ended
- 16:05:45 [Zakim]
- Attendees were Raman, John_Boyer, Blake, jan, Charlie, lars, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, Steven, Schnitz, Mark_Birbeck
- 16:05:49 [John_Boyer]
- rrsagent, make log public
- 16:05:59 [Steven]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 16:05:59 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-forms-minutes.html Steven
- 16:06:12 [John_Boyer]
- rrsagent, bye
- 16:06:12 [RRSAgent]
- I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-forms-actions.rdf :
- 16:06:12 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Jan to send a response to Bjoern on the issues raised in email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2003Aug/0000.html [1]
- 16:06:12 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-forms-irc#T15-16-55
- 16:06:12 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: John to alphabetise the glossary. [2]
- 16:06:12 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-forms-irc#T15-21-45-1
- 16:06:12 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Mark Birbeck to reply to email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Apr/0064.html [3]
- 16:06:12 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-forms-irc#T15-24-02
- 16:06:12 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: John will start a thread on the list so as to arrive at a LC response to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0003.html [4]
- 16:06:12 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-forms-irc#T15-46-59
- 16:06:12 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Nick to to look at the string-compare() proposal from John, and see whether we can bring this into line with XPath 2.0's compare() function. This should form the basis of a response to John's LC commment http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0004.html [5]
- 16:06:12 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-forms-irc#T16-03-27