IRC log of swd on 2007-04-24

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zakim, this will be swd

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ok, RalphS; I see SW_SWD()11:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes

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rrsagent, please make record public

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Meeting: SemWeb Deployment WG

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Apr/0030.html

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Chair: Guus

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-> http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html previous 2007-04-17

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SW_SWD()11:00AM has now started

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+Encarna

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zakim, Encarna is me

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+berrueta; got it

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+Bernard

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+Ralph

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+??P6

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zakim, ??p6 is Alistair

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+Alistair; got it

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+??P22

15:00:56 [Simone]

Zakim, ??P22 is me

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+Simone; got it

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+??P24

15:01:39 [guus]

zakim, ?p24 is Guus

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sorry, guus, I do not recognize a party named '?p24'

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zakim, ??p24 is Guus

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+Antoine_Isaac

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+Guus; got it

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Guus, lots of background noise from your phone

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+??P30

15:02:13 [Simone]

Zakim, mute me

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Simone should now be muted

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zakim, ??p30 is Daniel

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+Daniel; got it

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Zakim, un mute me

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I don't understand 'un mute me', Simone

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Zakim, unmute me

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Simone should no longer be muted

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-Guus

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+??P24

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+ +358.968.aaaa

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zakim, aaaa is Guus

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+Guus; got it

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much better, Guus

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Zakim +dlrubin

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zakim, who's on the call?

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On the phone I see berrueta, Bernard, Ralph (muted), Alistair, Simone, Antoine_Isaac, Daniel, TomB, Guus

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Regrets: Jon, Vit, Elisa

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scribe: berrueta

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topic: admin

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PROPOSED to accept minutes of 17 April telecon: http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html

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RESOLUTION: accepted minutes

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tomb proposed next telecon May 8

15:07:42 [RalphS]

Ralph: regrets for 8 May; meetings in Banff

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RalphS: not available May 8

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q+

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ACTION: TomB to start questionnaire on date for f2f [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html#action01]

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RalphS: we should revise this action

15:09:29 [berrueta]

RalphS, week of the 4th or the week of the 11th?

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topic: SKOS

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ACTION: Antoine, Jon, Daniel respond to the SKOS Use Case reviews, target a decision to publish on 17 April [http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action02]

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Antoine, still waiting for answers

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Antoine, don't know what should be done now

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... if we got positive answers, we could give a version a week after

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q+

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guus: we can discuss the comments in a later telecon. We need to publish this

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... common way to respond to good documents is to make them optional

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guus, ping reviewers with the new version

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ACTION: Antoine to make a proposal about SKOS Use Case document

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Apr/0034.html Re: [SKOS] Review of SKOS Use Cases and Requirements

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ACTION: Antoine, Jon, Daniel respond to the SKOS Use Case reviews, target a decision to publish on 17 April [http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action02]

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-- done

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+1 to drop the actions

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guus: propose to drop the actions on Alan

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ACTION: Alan to write up the preferredLabel modelling issue [http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action01]

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--dropped

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ACTION: Alan to write down the general documentation requirements, in particular to those that are related to literal values, and how to represent that in skos [http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action09]

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--dropped

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ACTION: Guus revise his ISSUE-26 proposal to account for other options [http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-minutes.html#action07]

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guus: i've been very busy. Any volunteer?

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--continues

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ACTION: Alistair to write up two alternatives for representing Collections [http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action08]

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--continues

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guus: we should start making progress in the issues now

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aliman: i suggest relationship with OWL(-DL)

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aliman: alan has been cc'ing me in a discussion about OWL 1.1

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... how we approach issues of OWL xxx?

15:21:33 [RalphS]

[Alistair, could you give us a pointer to the owl 1.1 thread archive?]

15:22:06 [berrueta]

aliman, we should address mapping between concept schemes

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... it doesn't look difficult

15:22:27 [berrueta]

guus, i discussed with daniel 2 weeks ago

15:23:29 [Bern]

q+

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aliman, should we have narrower, broader across schemes?

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daniel: some domains may use more specific properties

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guus, we have to give a guideline about equivalence

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... skos:related is too general, broader/narrower are too specific

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aliman, what's the difference between related and similarTo?

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guus, similarTo may be a subprop of related

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aliman, how the retrieval applications should operate on this properties?

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... the only way to define the semantics of these properties is through operational uses

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... let's think about how retrieval applications should treat these properties in order to determine their semantics

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Antoine: actually what you propose as operational semantics of narrower/broader is just one interpretation

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... so we don't have the absolute definition of the props

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aliman, you're absolutely right, but it should be at least "the most reasonable" way to operationally use these props

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guss: this operational semantics should be a guideline, not a definition

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daniel: this moves us to the compound concepts

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daniel: issue about provenance seems difficult

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aliman: probably related with versioning

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... skos has no notion of version

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s/daniel/Antoine

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guus: maybe we can't solve this in this WG

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aliman: we should have this on the table anyway

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guus: i can't see anything specific to SKOS

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topic: recipes

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ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3 [http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]

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--continues

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topic: RDFa

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guus: what's the status?

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RalphS: sorry, i couldn't attend to yesterday's meeting

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ACTION: Ben to send a summary of status of components of specifications will be handled [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html#action10]

15:38:39 [aliman]

I note that at leasting talking about versioning, both in relation to SKOS specifically, and in relation to RDF and OWL vocabularies more generally, is in our charter, within the Vocabulary Management work area.

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--continues

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ACTION: Elisa to provide outline of work to be done by Apr 17 [http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action01]

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--continues

15:38:55 [RalphS]

-> http://www.w3.org/2007/04/23-rdfa-minutes.html record of yesterday's RDFa TF telecon

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topic: aob

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Apr/0029.html --> diego's review of GRDDL spec

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Simone: RDFa TF discussing issues with W3C validator

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... compatibility of new requirements with current W3C validator

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... also discussing issue of literals, may be similar to a literal issue in SKOS

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me couldn't hear

15:42:58 [berrueta]

guus: please summarize through the list

15:43:24 [RalphS]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Apr/0029.html GRDDL spec review [Diego]

15:45:55 [berrueta]

guus: let's suggest to add a paragraph about when to use GRDDL and when to use RDFa

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RalphS: it's better to simple say that there are two alternatives

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guus: this may confuse readers

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ACTION: diego to send the review

15:48:36 [TomB]

okay, is that a response from the SWD WG if Diego sends it?

15:48:47 [RalphS]

yes, thanks, Diego, for the GRDDL review

15:49:07 [berrueta]

ACTION: Diego to review GRDDL Last Call Doc. Discuss briefly at next week's call [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html#action12]

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--done

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[adjourned]

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-Bernard

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-Guus

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-Daniel

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-Antoine_Isaac

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-Simone

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-Alistair

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-TomB

15:49:38 [RalphS]

Tom, I believe the record is sufficient to show that Diego was asked to comment on behalf of the WG and this meeting discussed his review briefly but we did not ask for a WG consensus

15:49:51 [berrueta]

zakim, list attendees

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As of this point the attendees have been berrueta, Bernard, Ralph, Alistair, Simone, Antoine_Isaac, Guus, Daniel, TomB, +358.968.aaaa

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-Ralph

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-berrueta

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SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended

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rssagent, please draft minutes

15:50:19 [Zakim]

Attendees were berrueta, Bernard, Ralph, Alistair, Simone, Antoine_Isaac, Guus, Daniel, TomB, +358.968.aaaa

15:50:27 [RalphS]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

15:50:27 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html RalphS

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[+358.968.aaaa was Guus]

15:51:56 [berrueta]

RalphS, i'll send you the edited minutes as soon as posible

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thanks, Diego

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zakim, bye

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 13 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: TomB to start questionnaire on date for f2f [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html#action01] [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-irc#T15-08-28

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ACTION: Antoine, Jon, Daniel respond to the SKOS Use Case reviews, target a decision to publish on 17 April [http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action02] [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-irc#T15-11-02

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ACTION: Antoine to make a proposal about SKOS Use Case document [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-irc#T15-16-19

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ACTION: Antoine, Jon, Daniel respond to the SKOS Use Case reviews, target a decision to publish on 17 April [http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action02] [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-irc#T15-17-06

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ACTION: Alan to write up the preferredLabel modelling issue [http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action01] [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-irc#T15-17-49

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ACTION: Alan to write down the general documentation requirements, in particular to those that are related to literal values, and how to represent that in skos [http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action09] [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-irc#T15-17-59

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ACTION: Guus revise his ISSUE-26 proposal to account for other options [http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-minutes.html#action07] [7]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-irc#T15-18-09

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ACTION: Alistair to write up two alternatives for representing Collections [http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action08] [8]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-irc#T15-18-35

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ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3 [http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] [9]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-irc#T15-36-40

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ACTION: Ben to send a summary of status of components of specifications will be handled [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html#action10] [10]

15:53:03 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-irc#T15-37-59

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ACTION: Elisa to provide outline of work to be done by Apr 17 [http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action01] [11]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-irc#T15-38-48

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ACTION: diego to send the review [12]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-irc#T15-48-30

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ACTION: Diego to review GRDDL Last Call Doc. Discuss briefly at next week's call [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html#action12] [13]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-irc#T15-49-07