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14:37:26 <dom> Zakim, this will be TS
14:37:26 <dom> Meeting: MWI Test Suites Working Group teleconf
14:37:26 <Zakim> ok, dom; I see MWI_TSWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 23 minutes
14:37:41 <dom> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Apr/0013.html
14:37:52 <dom> Chair: Dom
14:54:39 <Carmelo> Hello everyone
14:55:03 <wilhelm> Hello..(c:
14:55:41 <Carmelo> Nice to meet you Wilhelm
14:55:44 <Carmelo> and welcome
14:56:05 <wilhelm> Thank you.
14:56:20 <Carmelo> why is that?
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15:02:14 <Carmelo> Carmelo will take minutes today.\
15:02:18 <dom> ScribeNick: Carmelo
15:02:30 <Zakim> +??P32
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15:02:51 <dom> Zakim, ??P32 is Dmitri
15:02:51 <Zakim> +Dmitri; got it
15:03:47 <Zakim> +Anne_van_Kesteren
15:04:16 <Zakim> + +1.408.873.aaaa - is perhaps Allen
15:04:17 <dom> Zakim, Anne_van_Kesteren is really Wilhelm
15:04:18 <Zakim> +Wilhelm; got it
15:04:27 <dom> Zakim, aaaa is Allen
15:04:27 <Zakim> sorry, dom, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
15:05:02 <Carmelo> Conference started at 11:04
15:05:32 <Carmelo> Wilhelm was introduced himself
15:05:41 <Carmelo> and explained his work at Opera
15:06:06 <Carmelo> He does have some experience on Mobile device testing and hope to contribute to group
15:06:57 <Carmelo> Wilhelm will working as a replacement for Till.
15:07:25 <Carmelo> Till will be leaving the Group.
15:07:53 <Carmelo> Any question from Wilhelm for the Group
15:08:09 <Carmelo> None at this time.  He been reading the mail logs
15:08:37 <Carmelo> Dom -- Any additions to agenda?
15:08:45 <dom> Topic: Conformance Test suites
15:08:46 <Carmelo> There were no additions
15:09:20 <dom> ACTION: Dom to look at implementing an id for test session [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/13-mwts-minutes.html#action05] [PENDING]
15:09:31 <dom> ACTION: Dom to look at implementing Till's suggestions for the DOM Test Suites [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-mwts-minutes.html#action06] [DONE]
15:10:49 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Apr/0012.html Automation of DOM Test suite
15:11:37 <Carmelo> Carmelo asked as to when the results are recorded when running the suite
15:12:05 <Carmelo> Results are recorded as the tests are run.
15:12:36 <Carmelo> Dom - Automation works on Firefox but not on Opera just yet.
15:12:44 <Carmelo> Till will have a look into that.
15:13:27 <Carmelo> ACTION: Till to do extra reseach on autmatic execution using Opera
15:13:57 <Zakim> -dom
15:14:08 <Carmelo> ok waiting on DOM
15:14:20 <Zakim> +dom
15:15:46 <dom> ACTION: Dom to look at integrating the WICD test suite into the harness [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-mwts-minutes.html#action10] [PENDING]
15:16:15 <dom> ACTION: Till to try the SVG Tiny test suite in the harness on a mobile device [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-mwts-minutes.html#action09] [DONE]
15:16:45 <Carmelo> Everything seems to have run fine using the Mobile device
15:17:18 <Carmelo> Till -- > made a few comments regarding the test suite itself.
15:18:19 <Carmelo> ACTION : Till to draft a first message to regarding SVG test suite
15:18:50 <Carmelo> ACTION: carmelo - To contact SVG Working group with Till's comments.
15:19:26 <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to try the SVG Tiny test suite in the harness on a mobile device [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-mwts-minutes.html#action09] [PENDING]
15:20:11 <Carmelo> Dom -- >Is Opera using teh SVG suite?
15:20:29 <Carmelo> Till --> Yes very much so
15:20:54 <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to contact the SVG Working Group to let them know about the test harness including SVG Tiny [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-mwts-minutes.html#action11] [DONE]
15:20:54 <Carmelo> Till - To post a message regarding Opera's usage of SVG Tiny suite.
15:21:50 <dom> ACTION: Dom to check whether we're allowed to put the WCSS Test suite in the mobile test harness [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/27-mwts-minutes.html#action06] [PENDING]
15:21:50 <dom> ACTION: Dom to explore using XHTML MP as part of the harness [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/27-mwts-minutes.html#action09] [PENDING]
15:24:20 <Carmelo> Do we need to do anything specific regarding to testfest (an event from OMA)
15:24:47 <Carmelo> Allen - Asked about moving harness to a more prominent place in W3C Site
15:25:31 <dom> ACTION: Allen to see from where the harness should be linked
15:27:02 <Carmelo> What about using main page advertised for the harness
15:27:28 <Carmelo> Dom -- This is usually done  for public documents.
15:29:06 <Carmelo> Maybe we are not ready for that kind of attention just yet
15:29:20 <Carmelo> Allen - Not a strong opinion either way just yet.
15:30:32 <dom> ACTION: Dom to check with SVG and CSS WG whether they want more visibility of their test suites through the harness
15:31:13 <dom> Topic: Community-based Test suite
15:31:29 <dom> ACTION: Dom to send responses to respondents of survey [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [DONE]
15:31:53 <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to update the test submissions document based on Dom's comments and put on the W3C site [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-mwts-minutes.html#action08] [DONE]
15:32:22 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/Open/submission.html [DRAFT] Guidelines for the Mobile Web Test Suites Group (MWTS) Tests Submissions
15:32:39 <dom> Carmelo: based on a document for XML Query 
15:32:51 <dom> ... [summarizes content of the document]
15:34:31 <dom> ... positive test: test with well-formed correct content
15:34:44 <dom> ... negative test: test with content that should trigger an error of sort
15:36:56 <dom> ... behavioral test: test that highlights a specific behavior of a browser
15:39:56 <dom> Dom: the point on not using company names on so on should probably apply to all the content, not only function names
15:54:59 <dom> ->  http://www.w3.org/2006/11/mwbp-tests/index.xhtml MWBP Tests cases on encoding
15:55:13 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/09/mobile-tests/index.xhtml more test cases
15:58:00 <Zakim> -Carmelo
15:58:01 <Zakim> -dom
15:58:02 <Zakim> -Dmitri
15:58:03 <Zakim> -Jenise
15:58:05 <Zakim> -Allen
15:58:06 <Zakim> -Till
15:58:07 <Zakim> -Wilhelm
15:58:08 <Zakim> MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has ended
15:58:09 <Allen> Allen has left #mwts
15:58:09 <Zakim> Attendees were Jenise, Carmelo, dom, Till, Dmitri, +1.408.873.aaaa, Wilhelm
15:58:12 <dom> Zakim, bye
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15:58:14 <dom> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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