IRC log of mwts on 2007-04-24

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Zakim, this will be TS

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Meeting: MWI Test Suites Working Group teleconf

14:37:26 [Zakim]

ok, dom; I see MWI_TSWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 23 minutes

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Apr/0013.html

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Chair: Dom

14:54:39 [Carmelo]

Hello everyone

14:55:03 [wilhelm]

Hello..(c:

14:55:41 [Carmelo]

Nice to meet you Wilhelm

14:55:44 [Carmelo]

and welcome

14:56:05 [wilhelm]

Thank you.

14:56:20 [Carmelo]

why is that?

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I'm logging. I don't understand 'log off', dom. Try /msg RRSAgent help

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15:02:14 [Carmelo]

Carmelo will take minutes today.\

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ScribeNick: Carmelo

15:02:30 [Zakim]

+??P32

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15:02:51 [dom]

Zakim, ??P32 is Dmitri

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+Dmitri; got it

15:03:47 [Zakim]

+Anne_van_Kesteren

15:04:16 [Zakim]

+ +1.408.873.aaaa - is perhaps Allen

15:04:17 [dom]

Zakim, Anne_van_Kesteren is really Wilhelm

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+Wilhelm; got it

15:04:27 [dom]

Zakim, aaaa is Allen

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sorry, dom, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'

15:05:02 [Carmelo]

Conference started at 11:04

15:05:32 [Carmelo]

Wilhelm was introduced himself

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and explained his work at Opera

15:06:06 [Carmelo]

He does have some experience on Mobile device testing and hope to contribute to group

15:06:57 [Carmelo]

Wilhelm will working as a replacement for Till.

15:07:25 [Carmelo]

Till will be leaving the Group.

15:07:53 [Carmelo]

Any question from Wilhelm for the Group

15:08:09 [Carmelo]

None at this time. He been reading the mail logs

15:08:37 [Carmelo]

Dom -- Any additions to agenda?

15:08:45 [dom]

Topic: Conformance Test suites

15:08:46 [Carmelo]

There were no additions

15:09:20 [dom]

ACTION: Dom to look at implementing an id for test session [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/13-mwts-minutes.html#action05] [PENDING]

15:09:31 [dom]

ACTION: Dom to look at implementing Till's suggestions for the DOM Test Suites [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-mwts-minutes.html#action06] [DONE]

15:10:49 [dom]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Apr/0012.html Automation of DOM Test suite

15:11:37 [Carmelo]

Carmelo asked as to when the results are recorded when running the suite

15:12:05 [Carmelo]

Results are recorded as the tests are run.

15:12:36 [Carmelo]

Dom - Automation works on Firefox but not on Opera just yet.

15:12:44 [Carmelo]

Till will have a look into that.

15:13:27 [Carmelo]

ACTION: Till to do extra reseach on autmatic execution using Opera

15:13:57 [Zakim]

-dom

15:14:08 [Carmelo]

ok waiting on DOM

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+dom

15:15:46 [dom]

ACTION: Dom to look at integrating the WICD test suite into the harness [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-mwts-minutes.html#action10] [PENDING]

15:16:15 [dom]

ACTION: Till to try the SVG Tiny test suite in the harness on a mobile device [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-mwts-minutes.html#action09] [DONE]

15:16:45 [Carmelo]

Everything seems to have run fine using the Mobile device

15:17:18 [Carmelo]

Till -- > made a few comments regarding the test suite itself.

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ACTION : Till to draft a first message to regarding SVG test suite

15:18:50 [Carmelo]

ACTION: carmelo - To contact SVG Working group with Till's comments.

15:19:26 [dom]

ACTION: Carmelo to try the SVG Tiny test suite in the harness on a mobile device [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-mwts-minutes.html#action09] [PENDING]

15:20:11 [Carmelo]

Dom -- >Is Opera using teh SVG suite?

15:20:29 [Carmelo]

Till --> Yes very much so

15:20:54 [dom]

ACTION: Carmelo to contact the SVG Working Group to let them know about the test harness including SVG Tiny [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-mwts-minutes.html#action11] [DONE]

15:20:54 [Carmelo]

Till - To post a message regarding Opera's usage of SVG Tiny suite.

15:21:50 [dom]

ACTION: Dom to check whether we're allowed to put the WCSS Test suite in the mobile test harness [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/27-mwts-minutes.html#action06] [PENDING]

15:21:50 [dom]

ACTION: Dom to explore using XHTML MP as part of the harness [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/27-mwts-minutes.html#action09] [PENDING]

15:24:20 [Carmelo]

Do we need to do anything specific regarding to testfest (an event from OMA)

15:24:47 [Carmelo]

Allen - Asked about moving harness to a more prominent place in W3C Site

15:25:31 [dom]

ACTION: Allen to see from where the harness should be linked

15:27:02 [Carmelo]

What about using main page advertised for the harness

15:27:28 [Carmelo]

Dom -- This is usually done for public documents.

15:29:06 [Carmelo]

Maybe we are not ready for that kind of attention just yet

15:29:20 [Carmelo]

Allen - Not a strong opinion either way just yet.

15:30:32 [dom]

ACTION: Dom to check with SVG and CSS WG whether they want more visibility of their test suites through the harness

15:31:13 [dom]

Topic: Community-based Test suite

15:31:29 [dom]

ACTION: Dom to send responses to respondents of survey [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [DONE]

15:31:53 [dom]

ACTION: Carmelo to update the test submissions document based on Dom's comments and put on the W3C site [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-mwts-minutes.html#action08] [DONE]

15:32:22 [dom]

-> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/Open/submission.html [DRAFT] Guidelines for the Mobile Web Test Suites Group (MWTS) Tests Submissions

15:32:39 [dom]

Carmelo: based on a document for XML Query

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... [summarizes content of the document]

15:34:31 [dom]

... positive test: test with well-formed correct content

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... negative test: test with content that should trigger an error of sort

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... behavioral test: test that highlights a specific behavior of a browser

15:39:56 [dom]

Dom: the point on not using company names on so on should probably apply to all the content, not only function names

15:54:59 [dom]

-> http://www.w3.org/2006/11/mwbp-tests/index.xhtml MWBP Tests cases on encoding

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-> http://www.w3.org/2006/09/mobile-tests/index.xhtml more test cases

15:58:00 [Zakim]

-Carmelo

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-dom

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-Dmitri

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-Jenise

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-Allen

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-Till

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-Wilhelm

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MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Jenise, Carmelo, dom, Till, Dmitri, +1.408.873.aaaa, Wilhelm

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Zakim, bye

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