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14:01:04 <r007a> zakim, this will be i18n
14:01:04 <Zakim> ok, r007a, I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM already started
14:01:10 <r007a> zakim, dial richard please
14:01:10 <Zakim> ok, r007a; the call is being made
14:01:12 <Zakim> +Richard
14:01:19 <r007a> zakim, drop Richard
14:01:19 <Zakim> Richard is being disconnected
14:01:20 <Zakim> -Richard
14:01:26 <Zakim> +??P5
14:01:30 <r007a> zakim, dial richard-home
14:01:30 <Zakim> ok, r007a; the call is being made
14:01:31 <Zakim> +Richard
14:01:35 <Zakim> +Felix
14:01:44 <fyergeau> zakim, ? is fyergeau
14:01:44 <Zakim> +fyergeau; got it
14:01:53 <r007a> zakim, who's here ?
14:01:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see Greg_Aaron, fyergeau, Richard, Felix
14:01:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki, r007a, fyergeau, GregAaron
14:02:03 <GregAaron> Tom Durham is also on phone line
14:02:41 <fsasaki> meeting: i18n core WG
14:02:44 <fsasaki> chair: Richard
14:02:47 <fsasaki> scribe: Felix
14:02:50 <fsasaki> scribeNick: fsasaki
14:02:58 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Apr/0025.html
14:03:11 <fsasaki> rrsagent, make log public
14:03:19 <r007a> http://www.ashtons.co.uk/search_details.cfm?pcode=HPN070283
14:03:33 <r007a> zakim, who's here ?
14:03:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see Greg_Aaron, fyergeau, Richard, Felix
14:03:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki, r007a, fyergeau, GregAaron
14:04:06 <r007a> regrets: Vijay, Karunesh, Michael
14:04:25 <r007a> Meeting: I18n Core telecon
14:04:25 <r007a> Chair: Richard Ishida
14:05:00 <r007a> Topic: Agenda & actions review
14:05:00 <r007a> 	See http://esw.w3.org/topic/coreHomework
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14:05:24 <r007a> ACTION: Andrew, read comments for What should I consider wrt moving to UTF-8? http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-upgrade.en.php and seek resolutions and propose necessary edits [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action11] PENDING
14:05:37 <r007a> ACTION: David, redraft What is encoding, and why should I http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoEncoding for 1st May [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action02] PENDING
14:05:50 <r007a> ACTION: Felix, send comments we discussed to SPARQL folks (http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-rdf-sparql-query-20070326/#func-langMatches) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action13] DONE
14:05:56 <najib> hi everybody,
14:06:12 <r007a> ACTION: Felix, send private email to XML SChema to discuss point 2 in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Mar/0030.html and look at creating a page describing the proposal later [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action12] PENDING
14:06:51 <r007a> ACTION: RI, publish What should I consider wrt moving to UTF-8? http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-upgrade.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action11] PENDING
14:07:01 <r007a> ACTION: Richard, consider a F2F since it has been awhile. Before or at same time as plenary? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action13] PENDING
14:07:16 <r007a> Topic: Info Share
14:07:26 <GregAaron> no news...
14:08:08 <fsasaki> Richard: if you want to participate in "Internationalization and Unicode Conference" , please submit and abstract ASAP
14:08:14 <fsasaki> .. deadline was yesterday
14:08:36 <r007a> http://www.unicodeconference.org/
14:08:50 <fsasaki> .. conference dates October 15-17
14:09:26 <fsasaki> .. submit something today if possible
14:09:42 <r007a> Topic: New last call WDs
14:09:42 <r007a> 	Semantic Annotations for WSDL and XML Schema
14:09:42 <r007a> 	http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-sawsdl-20070410/
14:09:42 <r007a> 	10 April 2007, Last Call Ends 1 May 2007
14:10:20 <fsasaki> felix: only a namespace change in that draft, no need to look at that
14:10:54 <r007a> Topic: 'Homework'/Agenda Build page
14:10:59 <r007a> http://esw.w3.org/topic/coreHomework
14:14:53 <r007a> Topic: Unicode in XML and other Markup Languages
14:14:53 <r007a>     *
14:14:53 <r007a>       http://www.unicode.org/~asmus/other/w3c/tr20-8d9.html
14:14:53 <r007a>       Objective: APPROVE FOR PUBLICATION
14:15:22 <fsasaki> Richard: looking for agreement to publish this on 3rd of May
14:15:34 <fsasaki> .. Felix sent out a mail last week Monday, any comments now?
14:15:39 <fsasaki> .. agreement to publish this?
14:15:42 <fsasaki> Francois: agreed
14:15:57 <najib> +1
14:16:25 <r007a> Topic: SVG WG comments on the 06 Nov CSS21 WD - issue 6
14:16:25 <r007a>     *
14:16:25 <r007a>       http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2006Dec/0021.html
14:16:25 <r007a>       Discuss. Added by Felix.
14:16:29 <fsasaki> RESOLUTION: WG agrees with publication of the update of Unicode in XML ... as WG note
14:16:41 <fsasaki> action: Felix to prepare Unicode in XML .. WG Note for publication
14:18:14 <fsasaki> action: Richard to follow up on "SVG WG comments on the 06 Nov CSS21 WD - issue 6" topic
14:18:16 <r007a> Topic: ITS WG input to EMMA review
14:18:16 <r007a>     *
14:18:16 <r007a>       http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0007.html Christian is asking whether i18n core wants to send his comments as part of its review of EMMA.
14:18:47 <fsasaki> Richard: first question: should core make these comments instead of ITS WG?
14:19:24 <fsasaki> .. I don't think core needs to do that
14:19:26 <fsasaki> Felix: agree
14:21:02 <fsasaki> .. ITS will make more comments about ITS in other W3C specs
14:21:47 <fsasaki> Richard: would they make a review page like core?
14:22:00 <fsasaki> Felix: possibly not, but I'll aks
14:22:20 <fsasaki> Richard: they should send comments separately, one per mail
14:23:14 <fsasaki> .. another question: how do we get informed? Copied on all mail exchanges etc?
14:23:41 <fsasaki> .. opinions?
14:23:53 <fsasaki> Francois: no opinion
14:24:05 <fsasaki> .. would not mind to be copied on these threads
14:24:09 <Zakim> -Greg_Aaron
14:24:10 <fsasaki> Richard: Greg?
14:25:38 <fsasaki> Felix: I'd propose that the ITS WG puts i18n core into CC for comments sent out
14:25:50 <Zakim> -Richard
14:25:55 <r007a> zakim, dial richard please
14:25:55 <Zakim> ok, r007a; the call is being made
14:25:57 <Zakim> +Richard
14:26:44 <fsasaki> Richard: sounds fine by me
14:29:27 <fsasaki> .. another comment on XML Schema and ITS
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14:29:35 <r007a> zakim, who's here ?
14:29:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Richard, fyergeau, Felix
14:29:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see DavidClarke, najib, RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki, r007a, fyergeau, GregAaron
14:29:47 <fsasaki> agreement to have this comment also via the ITS WG (if they want to make it) and keep i18n core in the loop
14:29:50 <r007a> Topic: Tagging text with no language information
14:29:50 <r007a>     *
14:29:50 <r007a>       http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoNoLanguageTag
14:29:50 <r007a>       Currently in discussion
14:30:06 <Zakim> +??P13
14:30:53 <fsasaki> Richard: lot's of discussion about e.g. xml:lang="und" vs. xml:lang=""
14:32:09 <fsasaki> .. still working on it, getting help from Mark
14:33:23 <r007a> Topic: CSS reference to Unicode vs ISO 10646
14:33:23 <r007a>     *
14:33:23 <r007a>       http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Apr/0052.html
14:33:23 <r007a>       Any issue here ?
14:33:28 <fsasaki> Felix: the LTRU group made some changes to the latest BCP 47 draft related to that, but not sure what the outcome is
14:35:52 <fsasaki> Francois: maybe issue 79 needs our attention, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2006Dec/0021.html
14:36:05 <fsasaki> .. they say "pointing to Unicode is sufficient"
14:36:27 <fsasaki> Richard: not clear about this either. They have references to Unicode and ISO
14:36:36 <fsasaki> Francois: normative or not?
14:36:39 <fsasaki> Richard: normative
14:36:58 <r007a> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-CSS21-20061106
14:37:14 <r007a> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-CSS21-20061106/refs.html#q1
14:37:48 <fsasaki> Richard: both in the normative section
14:39:40 <Zakim> +Greg_Aaron
14:40:51 <fsasaki> present+ Greg, Tom, Richard, Francois, Dave, Najib, Felix
14:43:09 <fsasaki> disucssion between Richard and Francois on the draft
14:43:32 <fsasaki> action: Francois to sent a mail to CSS about the CSS 2.1 issue related to Unicode references
14:43:41 <fsasaki> Richard: issue 79
14:43:47 <r007a> "ISSUE-79: (not using IRI:s in CSS)
14:43:47 <r007a> Björns response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2005Aug/0232
14:43:47 <r007a> SVG WG: The SVG WG will not further pursue this issue, but recommends that  
14:43:47 <r007a> the i18n WG reviews and acts on this issue if the resolution is found  
14:43:47 <r007a> unsatisfactory."
14:44:05 <fsasaki> Richard: will discuss this next meeting
14:44:28 <r007a> ACTION: RI, make sure that it's clear we are talking about issue 79 and get the right uri
14:44:43 <r007a> Topic: CSS out of range unicode escapes
14:44:43 <r007a>     *
14:44:43 <r007a>       http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Apr/0045.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Apr/0054.html
14:44:43 <r007a>       Any issue here ?
14:45:09 <fsasaki> Richard: postponed until next meeting
14:45:35 <fsasaki> topic: EMMA review
14:46:19 <fsasaki> Richard: did not have much time to look at it, if you have any thoughts on it, please send a mail to the public list
14:46:42 <Zakim> -DavidClarke
14:46:45 <GregAaron> take care until next time
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14:46:54 <fsasaki> topic: AOB
14:46:54 <Zakim> -Greg_Aaron
14:46:56 <fsasaki> adjourned
14:46:56 <Zakim> -fyergeau
14:46:58 <Zakim> -Richard
14:46:59 <Zakim> -Felix
14:47:00 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
14:47:00 <fsasaki> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:47:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-minutes.html fsasaki
14:47:01 <Zakim> Attendees were Greg_Aaron, Richard, Felix, fyergeau, DavidClarke
14:47:40 <najib> f2f at tech plenary ?
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14:58:31 <fsasaki> rrsagent, bye
14:58:31 <RRSAgent> I see 10 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-actions.rdf :
14:58:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Andrew, read comments for What should I consider wrt moving to UTF-8? http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-upgrade.en.php and seek resolutions and propose necessary edits [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action11] PENDING [1]
14:58:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-irc#T14-05-24
14:58:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: David, redraft What is encoding, and why should I http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoEncoding for 1st May [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action02] PENDING [2]
14:58:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-irc#T14-05-37
14:58:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix, send comments we discussed to SPARQL folks (http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-rdf-sparql-query-20070326/#func-langMatches) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action13] DONE [3]
14:58:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-irc#T14-05-50
14:58:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix, send private email to XML SChema to discuss point 2 in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Mar/0030.html and look at creating a page describing the proposal later [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action12] PENDING [4]
14:58:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-irc#T14-06-12
14:58:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: RI, publish What should I consider wrt moving to UTF-8? http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-upgrade.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action11] PENDING [5]
14:58:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-irc#T14-06-51
14:58:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Richard, consider a F2F since it has been awhile. Before or at same time as plenary? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action13] PENDING [6]
14:58:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-irc#T14-07-01
14:58:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to prepare Unicode in XML .. WG Note for publication [7]
14:58:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-irc#T14-16-41
14:58:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Richard to follow up on "SVG WG comments on the 06 Nov CSS21 WD - issue 6" topic [8]
14:58:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-irc#T14-18-14
14:58:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Francois to sent a mail to CSS about the CSS 2.1 issue related to Unicode references [9]
14:58:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-irc#T14-43-32
14:58:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: RI, make sure that it's clear we are talking about issue 79 and get the right uri [10]
14:58:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-irc#T14-44-28
14:58:32 <fsasaki> zakim, bye
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