IRC log of core on 2007-04-24

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zakim, this will be i18n
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ok, r007a, I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM already started
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zakim, dial richard please
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ok, r007a; the call is being made
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+Richard
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zakim, drop Richard
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Richard is being disconnected
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-Richard
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+??P5
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zakim, dial richard-home
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ok, r007a; the call is being made
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+Richard
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+Felix
14:01:44 [fyergeau]
zakim, ? is fyergeau
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+fyergeau; got it
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zakim, who's here ?
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On the phone I see Greg_Aaron, fyergeau, Richard, Felix
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki, r007a, fyergeau, GregAaron
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Tom Durham is also on phone line
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meeting: i18n core WG
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chair: Richard
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scribe: Felix
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scribeNick: fsasaki
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Apr/0025.html
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rrsagent, make log public
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http://www.ashtons.co.uk/search_details.cfm?pcode=HPN070283
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zakim, who's here ?
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On the phone I see Greg_Aaron, fyergeau, Richard, Felix
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki, r007a, fyergeau, GregAaron
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regrets: Vijay, Karunesh, Michael
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Meeting: I18n Core telecon
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Chair: Richard Ishida
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Topic: Agenda & actions review
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See http://esw.w3.org/topic/coreHomework
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ACTION: Andrew, read comments for What should I consider wrt moving to UTF-8? http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-upgrade.en.php and seek resolutions and propose necessary edits [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action11] PENDING
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ACTION: David, redraft What is encoding, and why should I http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoEncoding for 1st May [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action02] PENDING
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ACTION: Felix, send comments we discussed to SPARQL folks (http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-rdf-sparql-query-20070326/#func-langMatches) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action13] DONE
14:05:56 [najib]
hi everybody,
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ACTION: Felix, send private email to XML SChema to discuss point 2 in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Mar/0030.html and look at creating a page describing the proposal later [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action12] PENDING
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ACTION: RI, publish What should I consider wrt moving to UTF-8? http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-upgrade.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action11] PENDING
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ACTION: Richard, consider a F2F since it has been awhile. Before or at same time as plenary? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action13] PENDING
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Topic: Info Share
14:07:26 [GregAaron]
no news...
14:08:08 [fsasaki]
Richard: if you want to participate in "Internationalization and Unicode Conference" , please submit and abstract ASAP
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.. deadline was yesterday
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http://www.unicodeconference.org/
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.. conference dates October 15-17
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.. submit something today if possible
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Topic: New last call WDs
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Semantic Annotations for WSDL and XML Schema
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http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-sawsdl-20070410/
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10 April 2007, Last Call Ends 1 May 2007
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felix: only a namespace change in that draft, no need to look at that
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Topic: 'Homework'/Agenda Build page
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http://esw.w3.org/topic/coreHomework
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Topic: Unicode in XML and other Markup Languages
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*
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http://www.unicode.org/~asmus/other/w3c/tr20-8d9.html
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Objective: APPROVE FOR PUBLICATION
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Richard: looking for agreement to publish this on 3rd of May
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.. Felix sent out a mail last week Monday, any comments now?
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.. agreement to publish this?
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Francois: agreed
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+1
14:16:25 [r007a]
Topic: SVG WG comments on the 06 Nov CSS21 WD - issue 6
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*
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2006Dec/0021.html
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Discuss. Added by Felix.
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RESOLUTION: WG agrees with publication of the update of Unicode in XML ... as WG note
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action: Felix to prepare Unicode in XML .. WG Note for publication
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action: Richard to follow up on "SVG WG comments on the 06 Nov CSS21 WD - issue 6" topic
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Topic: ITS WG input to EMMA review
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*
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0007.html Christian is asking whether i18n core wants to send his comments as part of its review of EMMA.
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Richard: first question: should core make these comments instead of ITS WG?
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.. I don't think core needs to do that
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Felix: agree
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.. ITS will make more comments about ITS in other W3C specs
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Richard: would they make a review page like core?
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Felix: possibly not, but I'll aks
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Richard: they should send comments separately, one per mail
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.. another question: how do we get informed? Copied on all mail exchanges etc?
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.. opinions?
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Francois: no opinion
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.. would not mind to be copied on these threads
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-Greg_Aaron
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Richard: Greg?
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Felix: I'd propose that the ITS WG puts i18n core into CC for comments sent out
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-Richard
14:25:55 [r007a]
zakim, dial richard please
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ok, r007a; the call is being made
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+Richard
14:26:44 [fsasaki]
Richard: sounds fine by me
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.. another comment on XML Schema and ITS
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zakim, who's here ?
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On the phone I see Richard, fyergeau, Felix
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On IRC I see DavidClarke, najib, RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki, r007a, fyergeau, GregAaron
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agreement to have this comment also via the ITS WG (if they want to make it) and keep i18n core in the loop
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Topic: Tagging text with no language information
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*
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http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoNoLanguageTag
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Currently in discussion
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+??P13
14:30:53 [fsasaki]
Richard: lot's of discussion about e.g. xml:lang="und" vs. xml:lang=""
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.. still working on it, getting help from Mark
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Topic: CSS reference to Unicode vs ISO 10646
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*
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Apr/0052.html
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Any issue here ?
14:33:28 [fsasaki]
Felix: the LTRU group made some changes to the latest BCP 47 draft related to that, but not sure what the outcome is
14:35:52 [fsasaki]
Francois: maybe issue 79 needs our attention, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2006Dec/0021.html
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.. they say "pointing to Unicode is sufficient"
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Richard: not clear about this either. They have references to Unicode and ISO
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Francois: normative or not?
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Richard: normative
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http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-CSS21-20061106
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http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-CSS21-20061106/refs.html#q1
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Richard: both in the normative section
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+Greg_Aaron
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present+ Greg, Tom, Richard, Francois, Dave, Najib, Felix
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disucssion between Richard and Francois on the draft
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action: Francois to sent a mail to CSS about the CSS 2.1 issue related to Unicode references
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Richard: issue 79
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"ISSUE-79: (not using IRI:s in CSS)
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Björns response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2005Aug/0232
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SVG WG: The SVG WG will not further pursue this issue, but recommends that
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the i18n WG reviews and acts on this issue if the resolution is found
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unsatisfactory."
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Richard: will discuss this next meeting
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ACTION: RI, make sure that it's clear we are talking about issue 79 and get the right uri
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Topic: CSS out of range unicode escapes
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*
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Apr/0045.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Apr/0054.html
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Any issue here ?
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Richard: postponed until next meeting
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topic: EMMA review
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Richard: did not have much time to look at it, if you have any thoughts on it, please send a mail to the public list
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-DavidClarke
14:46:45 [GregAaron]
take care until next time
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topic: AOB
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-Greg_Aaron
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adjourned
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-fyergeau
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-Richard
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-Felix
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I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-minutes.html fsasaki
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Attendees were Greg_Aaron, Richard, Felix, fyergeau, DavidClarke
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f2f at tech plenary ?
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 10 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Andrew, read comments for What should I consider wrt moving to UTF-8? http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-upgrade.en.php and seek resolutions and propose necessary edits [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action11] PENDING [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-irc#T14-05-24
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ACTION: David, redraft What is encoding, and why should I http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoEncoding for 1st May [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action02] PENDING [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-irc#T14-05-37
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ACTION: Felix, send comments we discussed to SPARQL folks (http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-rdf-sparql-query-20070326/#func-langMatches) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action13] DONE [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-irc#T14-05-50
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ACTION: Felix, send private email to XML SChema to discuss point 2 in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Mar/0030.html and look at creating a page describing the proposal later [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action12] PENDING [4]
14:58:31 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-irc#T14-06-12
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ACTION: RI, publish What should I consider wrt moving to UTF-8? http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-upgrade.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action11] PENDING [5]
14:58:31 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-irc#T14-06-51
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ACTION: Richard, consider a F2F since it has been awhile. Before or at same time as plenary? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action13] PENDING [6]
14:58:31 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-irc#T14-07-01
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ACTION: Felix to prepare Unicode in XML .. WG Note for publication [7]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-irc#T14-16-41
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ACTION: Richard to follow up on "SVG WG comments on the 06 Nov CSS21 WD - issue 6" topic [8]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-irc#T14-18-14
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ACTION: Francois to sent a mail to CSS about the CSS 2.1 issue related to Unicode references [9]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-irc#T14-43-32
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ACTION: RI, make sure that it's clear we are talking about issue 79 and get the right uri [10]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-irc#T14-44-28
14:58:32 [fsasaki]
zakim, bye
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