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12:58:47 <Steven> zakim, this will be rdfa
12:58:47 <Zakim> ok, Steven; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)9:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
12:58:57 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
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13:00:05 <Zakim> +Ben_Adida
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13:00:12 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
13:00:12 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
13:00:13 <Zakim> +Steven
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13:00:22 <Zakim> +[IBMCambridge]
13:00:32 <wing> zakim, IBMCambridge is wing
13:00:32 <Zakim> +wing; got it
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13:00:54 <Zakim> + +043316876aaaa
13:01:04 <mhausenblas> zakim, aaaa is me
13:01:04 <Zakim> +mhausenblas; got it
13:01:56 <mhausenblas> zakim, who is here?
13:01:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ben_Adida, Steven, wing, mhausenblas
13:01:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see Simone, markbirbeck, wing, benadida, mhausenblas, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, FabienG, ShaneM
13:02:07 <Zakim> +??P4
13:02:19 <ShaneM> zakim, ??p4 is ShaneM 
13:02:19 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
13:03:47 <benadida> zakim, pick a victim
13:03:47 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Ben_Adida
13:03:56 <benadida> zakim, pick a victim
13:03:56 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ShaneM
13:03:58 <Simone> Zakim, passcode
13:03:58 <Zakim> I don't understand 'passcode', Simone
13:04:05 <Steven> Scribe Steven
13:04:09 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
13:04:10 <Simone> Zakim, code please?
13:04:10 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Simone
13:04:25 <Steven> Meeting: RDFa Weekly Teleconference
13:04:28 <Steven> Chair: Ben
13:04:40 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Apr/0135
13:05:03 <Zakim> +??P6
13:05:10 <Steven> Topic: Actions
13:05:16 <Simone> Zakim, P6 is me
13:05:16 <Zakim> sorry, Simone, I do not recognize a party named 'P6'
13:05:25 <Simone> Zakim, ??P6 is me
13:05:25 <Zakim> +Simone; got it
13:05:31 <Steven> [NEW] ACTION: Ben to ask W3C about XML-DTD validation [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action19]
13:05:35 <Steven> -- Ongoing
13:06:12 <Zakim> +Mark_Birbeck
13:06:38 <Steven> Ben: My action is "why doesn't W3C Validator accept xmlns?"
13:06:47 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0001.xhtml
13:06:55 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0001.xhtml
13:06:58 <Steven> mh: The test case above validates
13:07:10 <Steven> ... at W3C
13:07:42 <Zakim> +FabienG
13:08:00 <Steven> Ben: I think this will scare people away using the internal subset
13:08:31 <Steven> mh: It is just to get it to validate
13:08:41 <Steven> Ben: I am very worried doing it this way
13:08:49 <markbirbeck> q+
13:09:13 <Steven> q+
13:09:22 <Steven> Mark: Let's table this for another week
13:09:43 <Steven> ... I chatted with Shane, who had chatted with Steven, and I think there is a solution emrging
13:09:50 <Steven> s/emr/emer/
13:10:01 <Steven> ... let's put it properly add it to the agenda
13:10:21 <Steven> Ben: I'll put it on the agenda in 2 weeks
13:10:30 <Steven> ... when I am back from my move
13:11:06 <Steven> Steven: I saw that this had been added as a bug on the validator bug system
13:11:11 <Steven> Topic: Test cases
13:11:25 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/
13:11:45 <Steven> mh: Look at the test suite, you'll see the partitioning has been done
13:11:56 <Steven> ... there is a question of the correct format for XHTML 1.1
13:12:04 <Steven> ... extension, namespaces etc.
13:12:22 <Steven> ... we need to decide that
13:12:41 <Steven> Ben: Once you have an answer, it will be straight-forward to go with it
13:12:46 <Steven> mh: Yes
13:13:33 <Steven> Ben: I must check the bookmarklet on the latest test cases
13:13:35 <Steven> ... next week
13:13:49 <Steven> ... you got feedback from Fabien?
13:14:24 <Steven> mh: Yes
13:15:37 <Steven> Ben: Can you proceed?
13:15:49 <Steven> mh: We can do the core set
13:15:51 <Steven> q+
13:16:17 <Steven> ack mark
13:17:30 <benadida> Steven: W3C urls are supposed to be opaque
13:17:34 <benadida> ... no extension
13:17:39 <benadida> ... extension and mime type are orthogonal
13:17:55 <benadida> ... if we name it .html but override mime type with .htaccess, it will work in IE
13:19:00 <benadida> PROPOSE: that we prepare the XHTML1.1 TCs by ignoring the xmlns validation issues for now
13:19:07 <mhausenblas> +1
13:20:31 <Steven> Simone: Other markup languages have similar problems to us
13:20:39 <Steven> ... the validator will fix it
13:20:46 <Steven> ... I think this is a correct approach
13:21:11 <Zakim> +Elias_Torres
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13:22:15 <Steven> q-
13:22:25 <EliasT> Zakim, mute me
13:22:25 <Zakim> Elias_Torres should now be muted
13:22:32 <EliasT> Zakim, Elias_Torres is me
13:22:32 <Zakim> +EliasT; got it
13:23:21 <benadida> RESOLVED: that we prepare the XHTML1.1 TCs by ignoring the xmlns validation issues for now
13:23:25 <Steven> Ben: Any opposition or abstention?
13:23:28 <Simone> +1
13:23:28 <Steven> [none]
13:23:41 <Steven> RESOLVED: that we prepare the XHTML1.1 TCs by ignoring the xmlns validation issues for now
13:24:09 <Steven> PROPOSAL: use the suffic .html on the files and serve as application/xhtml+xml
13:24:15 <Steven> s/suffic/suffix/
13:24:37 <Steven> Ben: Is this the right thing to do?
13:24:48 <ShaneM> There is no W3C blessed file suffix. 
13:26:06 <Zakim> -FabienG
13:27:06 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0001 test input without suffix
13:27:42 <Steven> That is being served as text/plain
13:27:56 <Steven> Shane: using a suffix of .html is fine as I am concerned
13:28:43 <Zakim> +FabienG
13:28:53 <Steven> Mark: Why isn't content negotiation the right thing?
13:29:18 <Steven> Steven: Because this solution ius better - it is being served to IE as application/xhtml+xml, and working
13:29:24 <Steven> s/ius/is/
13:29:49 <Steven> Ben: Let's treat this as a separate agenda item
13:30:16 <Steven> ... and discuss on the mailing list
13:30:32 <Steven> Ben: I have to leave in 8 mins
13:30:44 <Steven> ... most actions are mine
13:31:05 <Steven> [NEW] ACTION: Ben to discuss Primer and Use Cases as Note, Syntax and Test Cases as REC, at SWD WG meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action14]
13:31:39 <Steven> Ben: Ralph thinks that the primer needs to be rec track
13:31:41 <Steven> -- Done
13:31:53 <Steven> [NEW] ACTION: Ben to discuss RDFa Overview as a note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]
13:31:55 <Steven> -- DOne
13:32:03 <Steven> [NEW] ACTION: Ben to email list about next week's vote on a resolution regarding CLASS and ROLE attributes and rdf:type. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action18]
13:32:07 <Steven> -- Done
13:32:17 <Steven> [NEW] ACTION: Ben to email the resolution on mime type to the mailing list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action20]
13:32:19 <Steven> -- Done
13:32:32 <Steven> [NEW] ACTION: Ben to flesh out the schedule and present for everyone's approval next week. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action17]
13:32:39 <Steven> -- Continues
13:32:46 <Steven> NEW] ACTION: Ben to hand over rdfa syntax baton to Steven on 4/23 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action16]
13:32:49 <Steven> -- Done
13:32:57 <Steven> [NEW] ACTION: MichaelH to do partitioning of TCs, freeze the XHTML1.1+RDFa, and invite implementors to comment. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]
13:33:00 <Steven> -- Continues
13:33:12 <Steven> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are not supported by RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action01]
13:33:15 <Steven> -- Continues
13:33:20 <EliasT> :-)
13:33:30 <Steven> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]
13:33:32 <Steven> -- Done
13:33:36 <EliasT> Zakim, please unmute me
13:33:36 <Zakim> EliasT should no longer be muted
13:33:47 <Steven> s/Done/Continues/
13:33:49 <Steven> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to take a look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006Jun/0001.html to see if issue has been resolved [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action17]
13:33:54 <Steven> -- Continues
13:34:04 <Steven> [PENDING] ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10]
13:34:08 <Steven> -- Continues
13:34:18 <Steven> [PENDING] ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/23-htmltf-minutes.html#action08]
13:34:23 <Steven> -- Continues
13:34:32 <Steven> [PENDING] ACTION: MarkB to work rdf:label back into RDFa syntax when using @content [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action25]
13:34:34 <Steven> -- COntinues
13:34:40 <Steven> s/CO/Co/
13:34:48 <Steven> [PENDING] ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]
13:34:51 <Steven> -- Continues
13:35:01 <Steven> [PENDING] ACTION: Wing add a property to the test case schema for tracking origin and approval of an individual test [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action11] 
13:35:04 <EliasT> Zakim, mute me
13:35:05 <Zakim> EliasT should now be muted
13:35:05 <Steven> -- Continues
13:35:20 <Steven> Topic: src attribute
13:35:37 <Steven> Ben: SHane, what is your opinion?
13:35:48 <Steven> ... or are you looking for advice?
13:36:00 <Steven> S/SH/
13:36:17 <Steven> s/ ane/ Shane/
13:36:34 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
13:36:41 <Steven> Shane: Well, looking for group opinion
13:36:54 <Steven> Ben: One approach is to treat it like href
13:36:57 <Steven> q+
13:37:17 <Steven> Mark: The element name already gives some clue
13:37:29 <Steven> ... so it is different from href
13:38:03 <Steven> ... I have another proposal that I haven't yet written up about @cvlass being a predicate
13:38:11 <Steven> s/cvl/cl/
13:38:34 <Steven> Ben: The element type doesn't really work for me
13:39:01 <Steven> Mark: The predicate may end up in the wrong place
13:39:14 <Steven> ... (working this out on the fly)
13:39:32 <Steven> ... if you want foaf:depiction
13:40:00 <EliasT> example please?
13:40:01 <Steven> Ben: I can see how you would use @class for a type on the image, and rel for the relationship with the document
13:40:11 <Steven> q+
13:40:34 <Steven> Ben: Can you write this up this week?
13:40:36 <Steven> Mark: Yes
13:40:44 <benadida> ACTION: Mark to write up a consistent story on the @SRC attribute
13:41:13 <Steven> Steven: XHTML2 has src and href on the same element in some cases
13:41:19 <Steven> ... so we have to watch out
13:41:46 <Steven> Mark: Still we want to be able to use the src as a source of a URI
13:41:56 <Steven> Ben: I have to go
13:42:12 <Steven> ... you can discuss src and role if you want
13:42:18 <benadida> ACTION: Ben to schedule new telecon time starting May 7
13:42:30 <FabienG> zakim, who is here?
13:42:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ben_Adida, Steven, wing, ShaneM, Simone, Mark_Birbeck, EliasT (muted), FabienG
13:42:32 <Steven> ... and will schedule a new teleconference time
13:42:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see EliasT, Simone, markbirbeck, wing, benadida, mhausenblas, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, FabienG, ShaneM
13:42:36 <Steven> q-
13:43:09 <Zakim> -ShaneM
13:43:15 <Steven> Steven: I propose we do the rest of the discussion on email, so you Ben can be involved
13:43:21 <Steven> Ben: OK, in that case, adjourn
13:43:29 <Zakim> -Mark_Birbeck
13:43:29 <Zakim> -Steven
13:43:30 <Zakim> -FabienG
13:43:30 <Zakim> -Ben_Adida
13:43:32 <Zakim> -wing
13:43:33 <Zakim> -EliasT
13:43:42 <Zakim> -Simone
13:43:44 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)9:00AM has ended
13:43:45 <Zakim> Attendees were Ben_Adida, Steven, wing, +043316876aaaa, mhausenblas, ShaneM, Simone, Mark_Birbeck, FabienG, EliasT
13:43:50 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
13:43:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/23-rdfa-minutes.html Steven
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13:50:40 <Steven> Michael, the syntax for a URI in the irc channel is:
13:50:47 <Steven> -> uri text text text
13:51:00 <Steven> otherwise it vanishes in the minutes
13:51:06 <Steven> damn
13:51:09 <Steven> he's gone
14:03:23 <Steven> rrsagent, bye
14:03:23 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/23-rdfa-actions.rdf :
14:03:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mark to write up a consistent story on the @SRC attribute [1]
14:03:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/23-rdfa-irc#T13-40-44
14:03:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to schedule new telecon time starting May 7 [2]
14:03:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/23-rdfa-irc#T13-42-18