IRC log of emotion on 2007-04-23

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10:45:19 [marc]

zakim, this will be INC_EMOXG

10:45:19 [Zakim]

ok, marc; I see INC_EMOXG()7:00AM scheduled to start in 15 minutes

10:45:59 [marc]

zakim, read agenda from http://whatfettle.com/2006/07/RDFAgenda/http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-emotion/2007Apr/0003.html

10:45:59 [Zakim]

working on it, marc

10:46:08 [Zakim]

done reading agenda, marc

10:46:30 [marc]

agendum+ Revisit list of action items from the face-to-face meeting

10:46:45 [marc]

agendum+ Future of the Emotion Incubator group

10:46:58 [marc]

agendum+ Publications

10:47:13 [marc]

agendum+ Next meetings

10:47:18 [marc]

zakim, agenda?

10:47:18 [Zakim]

I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:

10:47:19 [Zakim]

1. Revisit list of action items from the face-to-face meeting [from marc]

10:47:20 [Zakim]

2. Future of the Emotion Incubator group [from marc]

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3. Publications [from marc]

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4. Next meetings [from marc]

10:48:48 [marc]

Regrets: Hannes_Pirker, Christian_Peter, Myriam_Lamolle

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INC_EMOXG()7:00AM has now started

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+??P1

10:52:54 [marc]

zakim, I am ??P1

10:52:54 [Zakim]

+marc; got it

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+??P2

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zakim, I am ??P2

10:56:37 [Zakim]

+Ro1; got it

10:57:04 [Zakim]

+??P3

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10:59:49 [Paolo_BaggiaEnric]

zalim, who is here?

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10:59:57 [Paolo_BaggiaEnric]

zakim, who is here?

10:59:57 [Zakim]

On the phone I see marc, Ro1, ??P3

10:59:58 [Zakim]

On IRC I see kkarpou, Paolo_BaggiaEnric, Jianhua, Ro1, Felix, RRSAgent, Zakim, marc

11:00:43 [Paolo_BaggiaEnric]

zakim, P3 is Paolo_BaggiaEnric

11:00:43 [Zakim]

+Felix_Burkhardt

11:00:44 [Zakim]

sorry, Paolo_BaggiaEnric, I do not recognize a party named 'P3'

11:00:49 [marc]

please eveyone get on the phone! :-)

11:01:08 [Paolo_BaggiaEnric]

zakim, Paolo_BaggiaEnric is P3

11:01:08 [Zakim]

sorry, Paolo_BaggiaEnric, I do not recognize a party named 'Paolo_BaggiaEnric'

11:01:47 [Paolo_BaggiaEnric]

zakim, ??P3 is Paolo_BaggiaEnric

11:01:47 [Zakim]

+Paolo_BaggiaEnric; got it

11:02:03 [Jianhua]

Sorry I cannot find the phone number. Can someone tell me?

11:02:21 [marc]

The phone number is: +1-617-761-6200,+33.4.89.06.34.99or+44.117.370.6152.

11:02:22 [Zakim]

+ +4870aaaa

11:02:29 [Jianhua]

thanks

11:02:30 [Zakim]

+[IVML]

11:02:56 [kkarpou]

Zakim, I am +[IVML]

11:02:56 [Zakim]

sorry, kkarpou, I do not see a party named '+[IVML]'

11:03:03 [Paolo_BaggiaEnric]

zakim, Ro1 is Rob_Clark

11:03:03 [Zakim]

+Rob_Clark; got it

11:03:09 [kkarpou]

zakim, who is here?

11:03:09 [Zakim]

On the phone I see marc, Rob_Clark, Paolo_BaggiaEnric, Felix_Burkhardt, +4870aaaa, [IVML]

11:03:11 [Zakim]

On IRC I see kkarpou, Paolo_BaggiaEnric, Jianhua, Ro1, Felix, RRSAgent, Zakim, marc

11:03:21 [kkarpou]

Zakim, I am [IVML]

11:03:21 [Zakim]

ok, kkarpou, I now associate you with [IVML]

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11:03:43 [Paolo_BaggiaEnric]

zakim, who is here?

11:03:43 [Zakim]

On the phone I see marc, Rob_Clark, Paolo_BaggiaEnric, Felix_Burkhardt, +4870aaaa, [IVML]

11:03:45 [Zakim]

On IRC I see cpelacha, kkarpou, Paolo_BaggiaEnric, Jianhua, Ro1, Felix, RRSAgent, Zakim, marc

11:04:00 [Zakim]

+??P7

11:04:20 [marc]

zakim, ??P7 is Jianhua

11:04:20 [Zakim]

+Jianhua; got it

11:04:33 [marc]

zakim, aaaa is cpalacha

11:04:33 [Zakim]

+cpalacha; got it

11:04:48 [marc]

zakim, aaaa is cpelacha

11:04:48 [Zakim]

sorry, marc, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'

11:05:17 [marc]

agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-emotion/2007Apr/0003.html

11:05:26 [Paolo_BaggiaEnric]

zakim, +4870aaaa is cpelacha

11:05:26 [Zakim]

sorry, Paolo_BaggiaEnric, I do not recognize a party named '+4870aaaa'

11:05:40 [Paolo_BaggiaEnric]

zakim, cpelacha is aaaa

11:05:40 [Zakim]

sorry, Paolo_BaggiaEnric, I do not recognize a party named 'cpelacha'

11:05:58 [marc]

so we need a Scribe to replace Ian

11:06:03 [marc]

any volunteers?

11:06:23 [Felix]

id do it

11:06:53 [marc]

so following Felix' suggestion we should use the IRC more

11:07:09 [marc]

next item

11:08:04 [marc]

consolidated use case requirements document is here: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/emotion/wiki/UseCasesRequirements

11:08:49 [marc]

I have also uploaded the slides from the f2f

11:09:40 [marc]

Interesting bit: work on content

11:10:06 [marc]

Jean-Claude, Christian and Jianhua to add links to example for

11:10:07 [marc]

each point in the requirements document: link to a use case example

11:10:07 [marc]

where this feature is required, by 27 April

11:10:55 [marc]

Jianhua, you intend to link to websites?

11:11:37 [marc]

I thought the link was going to be mentioning the number of the use case where the requirements are needed

11:12:25 [marc]

both kinds of links are very welcome

11:12:48 [Felix]

Jianhua: the Action is under way and will be done in time.

11:12:57 [Jianhua]

I will put some links to the website, which contains some application of user case 3

11:13:04 [marc]

volunteers to discuss existing ML in view of our requirements

11:13:04 [marc]

document by 4 June

11:13:32 [Felix]

Scribe: Felix Burkhardt

11:13:43 [Felix]

ScribeNick: Felix

11:13:46 [Jianhua]

some description will also be made.

11:13:56 [marc]

I think there was a list in the mintues of the f2f

11:14:17 [kkarpou]

the minutes are at: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/emotion/minutes-2007-03-26.html

11:14:31 [marc]

Felix to formulate a number of examples for some types of

11:14:31 [marc]

emotion markup before the next phone meeting

11:15:02 [marc]

this will be postponed until the next phone meeting

11:15:54 [marc]

Tanja Bänziger will be able to join the Paris meeting

11:16:31 [marc]

She suggests we have a good justification for our choice of emotion descriptions,

11:16:37 [marc]

... no need to be complete.

11:17:37 [marc]

Anything else following the f2f?

11:17:44 [marc]

next item

11:18:21 [Felix]

Paolo: three options:

11:18:41 [Felix]

... first if gorup wants to continue

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second: tcontinue as part of aonother group and include the charter

11:19:18 [Felix]

... might be the MMI group

11:19:41 [Felix]

.. and contacted w3c lead Ashimora and the Char of the MMI

11:20:02 [Felix]

... the chair is happy to think about that but needs a call with Marc

11:20:04 [Paolo_BaggiaEnric]

Kazuyuki Ashimura

11:20:19 [Felix]

3. no firther activity

11:20:26 [marc]

I have phoned Steve Bratt on Friday

11:21:36 [Felix]

4th option: continue for one year as new incubator group

11:22:31 [marc]

My feeling is that the 4th option is most promising; it would give us time to become more concrete before seeking strong industry support.

11:22:38 [Felix]

Paolo: important fpr decision: what outcome do we want for industry?

11:23:06 [Felix]

marc: outcome of second year would be draft spec.

11:23:25 [Felix]

... a way to make it conrete and less abstract

11:24:16 [marc]

The 4th option means to "re-charter" as a "new" Incubator group

11:24:42 [Felix]

... 4th option: recharter as new incubator group whish has slightly different charter

11:26:41 [Felix]

Felix: thinks continue as incubator grou makes sense cause topic is quite innovative

11:26:48 [marc]

Can people report on attempts to contact industrial W3C members?

11:27:18 [Felix]

... but would like to phone Marc with MMI chair in parallel to consider option to be subgroup of MMI

11:28:05 [Felix]

Paolo_BaggiaEnric: who from industry to contact?

11:28:28 [Felix]

marc: contact people on informal basis is most promising

11:28:47 [Felix]

... to get impression who is actually prrpared to work on the topic.

11:29:23 [Felix]

Jianhua: can ask tomorrow in SSML meeting

11:29:46 [Felix]

.. there re many paople from industry and spread the word.

11:30:26 [Felix]

Jianhua: will mention that states of discussion is how to continue work.

11:31:21 [marc]

I looked at MMI charter

11:31:30 [marc]

... and it would fit to add Emotion ML

11:31:35 [marc]

... from my point of view

11:31:36 [Jianhua]

this is also a good way

11:31:52 [marc]

... it would need a modification of the MMI Charter

11:32:18 [Felix]

Paolo_BaggiaEnric: can organize meeting between marc and MMI chair

11:32:44 [Felix]

marc: has time second half of may

11:33:06 [Felix]

Paolo_BaggiaEnric: think enkongen for another year is good idea.

11:33:16 [Felix]

enlongen...

11:33:31 [Felix]

marc: other opinions?

11:34:04 [Felix]

RobClarck: 4th option good idea also to share ideas with other people

11:34:13 [Felix]

... we just delay the other options for a year.

11:34:27 [Paolo_BaggiaEnric]

s/enkongen/to take more time/

11:35:10 [Felix]

cpelacha: good idea to have more time to make suggestions to industry.

11:36:03 [Felix]

kkarpou: thinks at the moment we're closer to research and another year would halp clarification.

11:36:21 [Felix]

Paolo_BaggiaEnric: thinks a questionnaire would be good about that matter.

11:36:57 [Felix]

Actio

11:37:10 [marc]

So everyone here seems to agree that the fourth option is promising; let's see what the rest of the group thinks about it.

11:37:23 [Felix]

CTION: marc to set up questionnaire on how to proceed the work (4 options) by tomorrow

11:37:38 [Felix]

ACTION: marc to set up questionnaire on how to proceed the work (4 options) by tomorrow

11:37:38 [Jianhua]

great!

11:38:47 [Felix]

ACTION: Paolo_BaggiaEnric and marc to set up phone meeting with MMI Chair in the early moring by second half of may

11:39:22 [Felix]

Paolo_BaggiaEnric: MMI chair wil also invite marc to meeting in June in Treviso.

11:39:47 [marc]

next item

11:40:02 [marc]

There was a paper submitted to ACII

11:40:36 [marc]

in the pipeline: a section for the HUMAINE Handbook

11:41:01 [Felix]

orinigal idea was to report on EARL

11:41:16 [Felix]

... but now it's be better to write on EmotionXG work

11:41:35 [marc]

the "real" deadline: end of May

11:41:38 [Felix]

... deadline is end of may

11:41:58 [Felix]

.. finished version is than needed

11:41:59 [Jianhua]

I would like to

11:42:15 [Felix]

Yes, me ,too.

11:42:28 [marc]

Question was: Who wants to be a co-author?

11:42:52 [Felix]

marc and Hannes and Myriam Lamolle already are authors.

11:43:12 [Felix]

marc: discussion continues offline.

11:43:50 [marc]

next item

11:44:13 [Jianhua]

it's ok for me

11:44:17 [marc]

only option I see for a phone meeting before the f2f is 21 May

11:44:35 [kkarpou]

date is OK with me

11:44:45 [marc]

any constraints about the time?

11:44:54 [Felix]

Paolo_BaggiaEnric date ok.

11:45:30 [marc]

so same time as todaY?

11:45:41 [Jianhua]

wonderful

11:45:44 [Felix]

cpelacha: date ok, time as today

11:45:51 [marc]

How about hte f2f?

11:46:23 [marc]

Who would be able to come?

11:46:30 [Felix]

next meeting 21st may 11 UTC

11:46:30 [marc]

7 June, Paris

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(f2f)

11:47:20 [marc]

Catherine: Jean-Claude will be there

11:47:27 [kkarpou]

I will have to check with the dates of the plenary

11:47:47 [Felix]

I have to be in Berlin on the 7th at 4 pm ;-(

11:48:45 [Felix]

marc: if not enough people are there the f2f might be held at the ACI conference in Lisbon in sep.

11:50:16 [Felix]

Paolo_BaggiaEnric: have to check but probably can come to Paris.

11:51:06 [Felix]

ACTION: marc to set up second questionnaire whether people come to Paris f2f by tomorrow

11:51:29 [marc]

Any other issues for today?

11:51:58 [Felix]

marc hopefully more discussion on content on the next phone meeting

11:52:32 [Jianhua]

bye

11:52:34 [Zakim]

-[IVML]

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-Paolo_BaggiaEnric

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-cpalacha

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-Rob_Clark

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marc1s

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-Jianhua

11:54:47 [Felix]

rrsagent, make logs public

11:54:59 [Felix]

rrsagent, draft minutes

11:54:59 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/23-emotion-minutes.html Felix

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-marc

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INC_EMOXG()7:00AM has ended

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Attendees were marc, Felix_Burkhardt, Paolo_BaggiaEnric, +4870aaaa, [IVML], Rob_Clark, Jianhua, cpalacha

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hello?

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