10:45:05 RRSAgent has joined #emotion 10:45:05 logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/04/23-emotion-irc 10:45:19 zakim, this will be INC_EMOXG 10:45:19 ok, marc; I see INC_EMOXG()7:00AM scheduled to start in 15 minutes 10:45:59 zakim, read agenda from http://whatfettle.com/2006/07/RDFAgenda/http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-emotion/2007Apr/0003.html 10:45:59 working on it, marc 10:46:08 done reading agenda, marc 10:46:30 agendum+ Revisit list of action items from the face-to-face meeting 10:46:45 agendum+ Future of the Emotion Incubator group 10:46:58 agendum+ Publications 10:47:13 agendum+ Next meetings 10:47:18 zakim, agenda? 10:47:18 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda: 10:47:19 1. Revisit list of action items from the face-to-face meeting [from marc] 10:47:20 2. Future of the Emotion Incubator group [from marc] 10:47:21 3. Publications [from marc] 10:47:22 4. Next meetings [from marc] 10:48:48 Regrets: Hannes_Pirker, Christian_Peter, Myriam_Lamolle 10:50:38 Felix has joined #emotion 10:52:27 INC_EMOXG()7:00AM has now started 10:52:34 +??P1 10:52:54 zakim, I am ??P1 10:52:54 +marc; got it 10:53:20 Ro1 has joined #emotion 10:54:16 Ro1 has left #emotion 10:54:29 Ro1 has joined #emotion 10:55:32 +??P2 10:56:37 zakim, I am ??P2 10:56:37 +Ro1; got it 10:57:04 +??P3 10:58:24 Jianhua has joined #emotion 10:59:16 Paolo_BaggiaEnric has joined #emotion 10:59:49 zalim, who is here? 10:59:54 kkarpou has joined #emotion 10:59:57 zakim, who is here? 10:59:57 On the phone I see marc, Ro1, ??P3 10:59:58 On IRC I see kkarpou, Paolo_BaggiaEnric, Jianhua, Ro1, Felix, RRSAgent, Zakim, marc 11:00:43 zakim, P3 is Paolo_BaggiaEnric 11:00:43 +Felix_Burkhardt 11:00:44 sorry, Paolo_BaggiaEnric, I do not recognize a party named 'P3' 11:00:49 please eveyone get on the phone! :-) 11:01:08 zakim, Paolo_BaggiaEnric is P3 11:01:08 sorry, Paolo_BaggiaEnric, I do not recognize a party named 'Paolo_BaggiaEnric' 11:01:47 zakim, ??P3 is Paolo_BaggiaEnric 11:01:47 +Paolo_BaggiaEnric; got it 11:02:03 Sorry I cannot find the phone number. Can someone tell me? 11:02:21 The phone number is: +1-617-761-6200,+33.4.89.06.34.99or+44.117.370.6152. 11:02:22 + +4870aaaa 11:02:29 thanks 11:02:30 +[IVML] 11:02:56 Zakim, I am +[IVML] 11:02:56 sorry, kkarpou, I do not see a party named '+[IVML]' 11:03:03 zakim, Ro1 is Rob_Clark 11:03:03 +Rob_Clark; got it 11:03:09 zakim, who is here? 11:03:09 On the phone I see marc, Rob_Clark, Paolo_BaggiaEnric, Felix_Burkhardt, +4870aaaa, [IVML] 11:03:11 On IRC I see kkarpou, Paolo_BaggiaEnric, Jianhua, Ro1, Felix, RRSAgent, Zakim, marc 11:03:21 Zakim, I am [IVML] 11:03:21 ok, kkarpou, I now associate you with [IVML] 11:03:36 cpelacha has joined #emotion 11:03:43 zakim, who is here? 11:03:43 On the phone I see marc, Rob_Clark, Paolo_BaggiaEnric, Felix_Burkhardt, +4870aaaa, [IVML] 11:03:45 On IRC I see cpelacha, kkarpou, Paolo_BaggiaEnric, Jianhua, Ro1, Felix, RRSAgent, Zakim, marc 11:04:00 +??P7 11:04:20 zakim, ??P7 is Jianhua 11:04:20 +Jianhua; got it 11:04:33 zakim, aaaa is cpalacha 11:04:33 +cpalacha; got it 11:04:48 zakim, aaaa is cpelacha 11:04:48 sorry, marc, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa' 11:05:17 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-emotion/2007Apr/0003.html 11:05:26 zakim, +4870aaaa is cpelacha 11:05:26 sorry, Paolo_BaggiaEnric, I do not recognize a party named '+4870aaaa' 11:05:40 zakim, cpelacha is aaaa 11:05:40 sorry, Paolo_BaggiaEnric, I do not recognize a party named 'cpelacha' 11:05:58 so we need a Scribe to replace Ian 11:06:03 any volunteers? 11:06:23 id do it 11:06:53 so following Felix' suggestion we should use the IRC more 11:07:09 next item 11:08:04 consolidated use case requirements document is here: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/emotion/wiki/UseCasesRequirements 11:08:49 I have also uploaded the slides from the f2f 11:09:40 Interesting bit: work on content 11:10:06 Jean-Claude, Christian and Jianhua to add links to example for 11:10:07 each point in the requirements document: link to a use case example 11:10:07 where this feature is required, by 27 April 11:10:55 Jianhua, you intend to link to websites? 11:11:37 I thought the link was going to be mentioning the number of the use case where the requirements are needed 11:12:25 both kinds of links are very welcome 11:12:48 Jianhua: the Action is under way and will be done in time. 11:12:57 I will put some links to the website, which contains some application of user case 3 11:13:04 volunteers to discuss existing ML in view of our requirements 11:13:04 document by 4 June 11:13:32 Scribe: Felix Burkhardt 11:13:43 ScribeNick: Felix 11:13:46 some description will also be made. 11:13:56 I think there was a list in the mintues of the f2f 11:14:17 the minutes are at: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/emotion/minutes-2007-03-26.html 11:14:31 Felix to formulate a number of examples for some types of 11:14:31 emotion markup before the next phone meeting 11:15:02 this will be postponed until the next phone meeting 11:15:54 Tanja Bänziger will be able to join the Paris meeting 11:16:31 She suggests we have a good justification for our choice of emotion descriptions, 11:16:37 ... no need to be complete. 11:17:37 Anything else following the f2f? 11:17:44 next item 11:18:21 Paolo: three options: 11:18:41 ... first if gorup wants to continue 11:19:12 second: tcontinue as part of aonother group and include the charter 11:19:18 ... might be the MMI group 11:19:41 .. and contacted w3c lead Ashimora and the Char of the MMI 11:20:02 ... the chair is happy to think about that but needs a call with Marc 11:20:04 Kazuyuki Ashimura 11:20:19 3. no firther activity 11:20:26 I have phoned Steve Bratt on Friday 11:21:36 4th option: continue for one year as new incubator group 11:22:31 My feeling is that the 4th option is most promising; it would give us time to become more concrete before seeking strong industry support. 11:22:38 Paolo: important fpr decision: what outcome do we want for industry? 11:23:06 marc: outcome of second year would be draft spec. 11:23:25 ... a way to make it conrete and less abstract 11:24:16 The 4th option means to "re-charter" as a "new" Incubator group 11:24:42 ... 4th option: recharter as new incubator group whish has slightly different charter 11:26:41 Felix: thinks continue as incubator grou makes sense cause topic is quite innovative 11:26:48 Can people report on attempts to contact industrial W3C members? 11:27:18 ... but would like to phone Marc with MMI chair in parallel to consider option to be subgroup of MMI 11:28:05 Paolo_BaggiaEnric: who from industry to contact? 11:28:28 marc: contact people on informal basis is most promising 11:28:47 ... to get impression who is actually prrpared to work on the topic. 11:29:23 Jianhua: can ask tomorrow in SSML meeting 11:29:46 .. there re many paople from industry and spread the word. 11:30:26 Jianhua: will mention that states of discussion is how to continue work. 11:31:21 I looked at MMI charter 11:31:30 ... and it would fit to add Emotion ML 11:31:35 ... from my point of view 11:31:36 this is also a good way 11:31:52 ... it would need a modification of the MMI Charter 11:32:18 Paolo_BaggiaEnric: can organize meeting between marc and MMI chair 11:32:44 marc: has time second half of may 11:33:06 Paolo_BaggiaEnric: think enkongen for another year is good idea. 11:33:16 enlongen... 11:33:31 marc: other opinions? 11:34:04 RobClarck: 4th option good idea also to share ideas with other people 11:34:13 ... we just delay the other options for a year. 11:34:27 s/enkongen/to take more time/ 11:35:10 cpelacha: good idea to have more time to make suggestions to industry. 11:36:03 kkarpou: thinks at the moment we're closer to research and another year would halp clarification. 11:36:21 Paolo_BaggiaEnric: thinks a questionnaire would be good about that matter. 11:36:57 Actio 11:37:10 So everyone here seems to agree that the fourth option is promising; let's see what the rest of the group thinks about it. 11:37:23 CTION: marc to set up questionnaire on how to proceed the work (4 options) by tomorrow 11:37:38 ACTION: marc to set up questionnaire on how to proceed the work (4 options) by tomorrow 11:37:38 great! 11:38:47 ACTION: Paolo_BaggiaEnric and marc to set up phone meeting with MMI Chair in the early moring by second half of may 11:39:22 Paolo_BaggiaEnric: MMI chair wil also invite marc to meeting in June in Treviso. 11:39:47 next item 11:40:02 There was a paper submitted to ACII 11:40:36 in the pipeline: a section for the HUMAINE Handbook 11:41:01 orinigal idea was to report on EARL 11:41:16 ... but now it's be better to write on EmotionXG work 11:41:35 the "real" deadline: end of May 11:41:38 ... deadline is end of may 11:41:58 .. finished version is than needed 11:41:59 I would like to 11:42:15 Yes, me ,too. 11:42:28 Question was: Who wants to be a co-author? 11:42:52 marc and Hannes and Myriam Lamolle already are authors. 11:43:12 marc: discussion continues offline. 11:43:50 next item 11:44:13 it's ok for me 11:44:17 only option I see for a phone meeting before the f2f is 21 May 11:44:35 date is OK with me 11:44:45 any constraints about the time? 11:44:54 Paolo_BaggiaEnric date ok. 11:45:30 so same time as todaY? 11:45:41 wonderful 11:45:44 cpelacha: date ok, time as today 11:45:51 How about hte f2f? 11:46:23 Who would be able to come? 11:46:30 next meeting 21st may 11 UTC 11:46:30 7 June, Paris 11:46:41 (f2f) 11:47:20 Catherine: Jean-Claude will be there 11:47:27 I will have to check with the dates of the plenary 11:47:47 I have to be in Berlin on the 7th at 4 pm ;-( 11:48:45 marc: if not enough people are there the f2f might be held at the ACI conference in Lisbon in sep. 11:50:16 Paolo_BaggiaEnric: have to check but probably can come to Paris. 11:51:06 ACTION: marc to set up second questionnaire whether people come to Paris f2f by tomorrow 11:51:29 Any other issues for today? 11:51:58 marc hopefully more discussion on content on the next phone meeting 11:52:32 bye 11:52:34 -[IVML] 11:52:35 -Paolo_BaggiaEnric 11:52:36 -cpalacha 11:52:37 -Rob_Clark 11:52:42 Ro1 has left #emotion 11:53:44 marc1s 11:54:07 -Jianhua 11:54:47 rrsagent, make logs public 11:54:59 rrsagent, draft minutes 11:54:59 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/23-emotion-minutes.html Felix 11:55:27 -marc 11:55:29 INC_EMOXG()7:00AM has ended 11:55:31 Attendees were marc, Felix_Burkhardt, Paolo_BaggiaEnric, +4870aaaa, [IVML], Rob_Clark, Jianhua, cpalacha 12:17:59 Alejandra has joined #emotion 12:19:14 hello? 12:21:45 Alejandra has left #emotion