IRC log of er on 2007-04-18

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13:52:00 [shadi]

zakim, this will be ert

13:52:00 [Zakim]

ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes

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meeting: ERT WG

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chair: Shadi

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Apr/0012.html

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agenda+ Resuming ERT WG document development

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agenda+ Criteria for listing contributors

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agenda+ ERT WG comments on ATAG 2.0 WD

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agenda+ Schema-based checking of Web applications

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agenda+ Outlook on some of the review comments

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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started

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+Shadi

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+Klaus/Johannes/Thomas

14:01:29 [JohannesK]

zakim, klaus is really Johannes

14:01:39 [Zakim]

+Johannes; got it

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14:06:29 [shadi]

regrets: CarlosV

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+ +43.702.468.aaaa

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zakim, aaaa is really Reinhard

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+Reinhard; got it

14:09:24 [shadi]

scribe: Johannes

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14:11:23 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 1

14:11:23 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Resuming ERT WG document development" taken up [from shadi]

14:12:21 [JohannesK]

saz: we have to get back to work after some weeks without regular meetings

14:13:35 [JohannesK]

saz: process document requires us to record any reaction on issues/comments

14:14:37 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/issues

14:15:05 [Zakim]

+[CTIC]

14:15:46 [JohannesK]

ACTION saz to update issues list for EARL 10 schema document

14:15:56 [JohannesK]

ACTION: saz to update issues list for EARL 10 schema document

14:17:29 [JohannesK]

ACTION: jk to update issues list for HTTP-in-RDF document

14:18:01 [JohannesK]

saz: pointer document

14:18:45 [JohannesK]

saz: no reaction by jim about our comments to the initial document from Gijon F2F

14:20:22 [JohannesK]

saz: CarlosI, would you take over the editing of the pointers document?

14:20:38 [JohannesK]

ci: yep

14:22:36 [JohannesK]

ACTION: ci to create a plan (summary) for a first public draft for the pointers document

14:24:20 [JohannesK]

saz: including estimation about timeline

14:24:40 [JohannesK]

saz: EARL guide ...

14:25:58 [shadi]

zakim, take up next

14:25:58 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Criteria for listing contributors" taken up [from shadi]

14:25:59 [JohannesK]

saz: we need a first public draft at least when pushing EARL schema to CR

14:26:11 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 2

14:26:11 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Criteria for listing contributors" taken up [from shadi]

14:27:38 [JohannesK]

saz: active WG member are usually listed as contributors

14:29:25 [JohannesK]

saz: but in current schema doc there are quite a lot of people that have not been involved in the editing of the current document

14:29:36 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=32094

14:29:53 [JohannesK]

saz: propose to list only current active members (in good standing)

14:32:08 [JohannesK]

saz: new members are added to the list

14:33:19 [JohannesK]

ci: what about lazy members initially listed as good standing?

14:34:27 [JohannesK]

saz: we need to synchronize good/bad standing status before we publish documents

14:34:56 [JohannesK]

ci: what about contributions/significant comments by people outside this group?

14:36:06 [JohannesK]

saz: significance has to be defined

14:39:07 [JohannesK]

jk: there were some significant changes after recieiving comments, we should mention these people

14:39:47 [JohannesK]

ci: have two separate lists: group members, external contributors

14:40:57 [JohannesK]

saz: could be difficult to explain why one contribution was more meaningful than the other

14:41:21 [CarlosI]

[http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-mobileOK-basic10-tests-20061219/]

14:43:21 [JohannesK]

RESOLUTION: synchronize good/bad standing status before publication of documents

14:44:00 [JohannesK]

RESOLUTION: list all participants in good standing as contributors for a publication

14:44:55 [JohannesK]

RESOLUTION: lead editors of documents to track external contributions

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RESOLUTION: WG decision is needed for listing external contributors in specific documents

14:47:02 [shadi]

zakim, take up next

14:47:02 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "ERT WG comments on ATAG 2.0 WD" taken up [from shadi]

14:47:15 [shadi]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Apr/0006

14:47:57 [JohannesK]

saz: no comments or objections to this list?

14:48:52 [JohannesK]

ACTION: saz to send these comments to ATAG WG

14:50:10 [JohannesK]

ci: we had a comment about our definition of test modes is not very clear

14:51:22 [JohannesK]

saz: I reword comment #3

14:52:03 [JohannesK]

ACTION: saz to reword comment #3

14:52:09 [shadi]

zakim, take up next

14:52:09 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "Schema-based checking of Web applications" taken up [from shadi]

14:53:34 [JohannesK]

saz: info by PF WG about ARIA for testing web applications

14:54:23 [JohannesK]

saz: growing importance of testing (dynamic) DOM structure instead of static source code

14:55:13 [JohannesK]

ci: Shadi, can you keep us up to date about this?

14:55:20 [JohannesK]

saz: yep

14:55:53 [shadi]

zakim, take up next

14:55:53 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "Outlook on some of the review comments" taken up [from shadi]

14:56:02 [JohannesK]

saz: we may want to think about recording the DOM structure

14:57:42 [JohannesK]

saz: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Mar/0108>

14:58:57 [JohannesK]

saz: we currently use OWL as a constraint language which seems to be not optimal

15:00:38 [JohannesK]

saz: no meeting next week, but on May 2nd

15:00:58 [JohannesK]

saz: so have discussions on the mailing list

15:01:05 [Zakim]

-Reinhard

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-[CTIC]

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-Shadi

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-Johannes

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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Shadi, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, Johannes, +43.702.468.aaaa, Reinhard, [CTIC]

15:03:07 [shadi]

zakim, bye

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rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/18-er-minutes.html shadi

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rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/18-er-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: saz to update issues list for EARL 10 schema document [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/18-er-irc#T14-15-56

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ACTION: jk to update issues list for HTTP-in-RDF document [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/18-er-irc#T14-17-29

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ACTION: ci to create a plan (summary) for a first public draft for the pointers document [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/18-er-irc#T14-22-36

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ACTION: saz to send these comments to ATAG WG [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/18-er-irc#T14-48-52

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ACTION: saz to reword comment #3 [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/18-er-irc#T14-52-03