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13:52:00 <shadi> zakim, this will be ert
13:52:00 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
13:52:07 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
13:52:14 <shadi> chair: Shadi
13:53:10 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Apr/0012.html
13:53:24 <shadi> agenda+ Resuming ERT WG document development
13:53:33 <shadi> agenda+ Criteria for listing contributors
13:53:44 <shadi> agenda+ ERT WG comments on ATAG 2.0 WD
13:53:59 <shadi> agenda+ Schema-based checking of Web applications
13:54:11 <shadi> agenda+ Outlook on some of the review comments
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14:00:16 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started
14:00:20 <Zakim> +Shadi
14:01:13 <Zakim> +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
14:01:29 <JohannesK> zakim, klaus is really Johannes
14:01:39 <Zakim> +Johannes; got it
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14:06:29 <shadi> regrets: CarlosV
14:07:36 <Zakim> + +43.702.468.aaaa
14:07:54 <shadi> zakim, aaaa is really Reinhard
14:07:54 <Zakim> +Reinhard; got it
14:09:24 <shadi> scribe: Johannes
14:09:29 <CarlosI> CarlosI has joined #er
14:11:23 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:11:23 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Resuming ERT WG document development" taken up [from shadi]
14:12:21 <JohannesK> saz: we have to get back to work after some weeks without regular meetings
14:13:35 <JohannesK> saz: process document requires us to record any reaction on issues/comments
14:14:37 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/issues
14:15:05 <Zakim> +[CTIC]
14:15:46 <JohannesK> ACTION saz to update issues list for EARL 10 schema document
14:15:56 <JohannesK> ACTION: saz to update issues list for EARL 10 schema document
14:17:29 <JohannesK> ACTION: jk to update issues list for HTTP-in-RDF document
14:18:01 <JohannesK> saz: pointer document
14:18:45 <JohannesK> saz: no reaction by jim about our comments to the initial document from Gijon F2F
14:20:22 <JohannesK> saz: CarlosI, would you take over the editing of the pointers document?
14:20:38 <JohannesK> ci: yep
14:22:36 <JohannesK> ACTION: ci to create a plan (summary) for a first public draft for the pointers document
14:24:20 <JohannesK> saz: including estimation about timeline
14:24:40 <JohannesK> saz: EARL guide ...
14:25:58 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:25:58 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Criteria for listing contributors" taken up [from shadi]
14:25:59 <JohannesK> saz: we need a first public draft at least when pushing EARL schema to CR
14:26:11 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:26:11 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Criteria for listing contributors" taken up [from shadi]
14:27:38 <JohannesK> saz: active WG member are usually listed as contributors
14:29:25 <JohannesK> saz: but in current schema doc there are quite a lot of people that have not been involved in the editing of the current document
14:29:36 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=32094
14:29:53 <JohannesK> saz: propose to list only current active members (in good standing)
14:32:08 <JohannesK> saz: new members are added to the list
14:33:19 <JohannesK> ci: what about lazy members initially listed as good standing?
14:34:27 <JohannesK> saz: we need to synchronize good/bad standing status before we publish documents
14:34:56 <JohannesK> ci: what about contributions/significant comments by people outside this group?
14:36:06 <JohannesK> saz: significance has to be defined
14:39:07 <JohannesK> jk: there were some significant changes after recieiving comments, we should mention these people
14:39:47 <JohannesK> ci: have two separate lists: group members, external contributors
14:40:57 <JohannesK> saz: could be difficult to explain why one contribution was more meaningful than the other
14:41:21 <CarlosI> [http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-mobileOK-basic10-tests-20061219/]
14:43:21 <JohannesK> RESOLUTION: synchronize good/bad standing status before publication of documents
14:44:00 <JohannesK> RESOLUTION: list all participants in good standing as contributors for a publication
14:44:55 <JohannesK> RESOLUTION: lead editors of documents to track external contributions
14:45:56 <JohannesK> RESOLUTION: WG decision is needed for listing external contributors in specific documents
14:47:02 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:47:02 <Zakim> agendum 3. "ERT WG comments on ATAG 2.0 WD" taken up [from shadi]
14:47:15 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Apr/0006
14:47:57 <JohannesK> saz: no comments or objections to this list?
14:48:52 <JohannesK> ACTION: saz to send these comments to ATAG WG
14:50:10 <JohannesK> ci: we had a comment about our definition of test modes is not very clear
14:51:22 <JohannesK> saz: I reword comment #3
14:52:03 <JohannesK> ACTION: saz to reword comment #3
14:52:09 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:52:09 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Schema-based checking of Web applications" taken up [from shadi]
14:53:34 <JohannesK> saz: info by PF WG about ARIA for testing web applications
14:54:23 <JohannesK> saz: growing importance of testing (dynamic) DOM structure instead of static source code
14:55:13 <JohannesK> ci: Shadi, can you keep us up to date about this?
14:55:20 <JohannesK> saz: yep
14:55:53 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:55:53 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Outlook on some of the review comments" taken up [from shadi]
14:56:02 <JohannesK> saz: we may want to think about recording the DOM structure
14:57:42 <JohannesK> saz: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Mar/0108>
14:58:57 <JohannesK> saz: we currently use OWL as a constraint language which seems to be not optimal
15:00:38 <JohannesK> saz: no meeting next week, but on May 2nd
15:00:58 <JohannesK> saz: so have discussions on the mailing list
15:01:05 <Zakim> -Reinhard
15:01:06 <Zakim> -[CTIC]
15:01:08 <Zakim> -Shadi
15:01:10 <Zakim> -Johannes
15:01:14 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended
15:01:18 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, Johannes, +43.702.468.aaaa, Reinhard, [CTIC]
15:03:07 <shadi> zakim, bye
15:03:07 <Zakim> Zakim has left #er
15:05:46 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
15:30:45 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
15:30:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/18-er-minutes.html shadi
15:30:46 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
15:30:51 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
15:30:51 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/18-er-actions.rdf :
15:30:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: saz to update issues list for EARL 10 schema document [1]
15:30:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/18-er-irc#T14-15-56
15:30:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jk to update issues list for HTTP-in-RDF document [2]
15:30:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/18-er-irc#T14-17-29
15:30:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ci to create a plan (summary) for a first public draft for the pointers document [3]
15:30:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/18-er-irc#T14-22-36
15:30:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: saz to send these comments to ATAG WG [4]
15:30:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/18-er-irc#T14-48-52
15:30:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: saz to reword comment #3 [5]
15:30:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/18-er-irc#T14-52-03