IRC log of tsdtf on 2007-04-17
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-tsdtf-irc
- 12:14:13 [Zakim]
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- 12:14:21 [shadi]
- zakim, this will be tsd
- 12:14:21 [Zakim]
- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, shadi
- 12:14:29 [shadi]
- zakim, this will be tsdtf
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- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, shadi
- 12:14:58 [shadi]
- zakim, this will be t
- 12:14:58 [Zakim]
- shadi, ARCH_Team()8:00AM is already associated with an irc channel; use 'move t to here' if you mean to reassociate the channel
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- zakim, this will be tf
- 12:15:09 [Zakim]
- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, shadi
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- zakim, this will be test
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- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, shadi
- 12:16:33 [shadi]
- zakim, this will be wai_tsdtf
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- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, shadi
- 12:17:25 [shadi]
- zakim, this will be tstf
- 12:17:25 [Zakim]
- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, shadi
- 12:17:54 [Christophe]
- zakim, what conferences?
- 12:17:54 [Zakim]
- I see ARCH_Team()8:00AM active and no others scheduled to start in the next 15 minutes
- 12:18:17 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_2252
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- seems like zakim is confused...
- 12:21:58 [shadi]
- meeting: TSD TF
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- chair: CarlosV, Christophe
- 12:22:11 [Vangelis]
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- scribe: Shadi
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Apr/0017.html
- 12:23:08 [shadi]
- regrets: CarlosI
- 12:23:38 [shadi]
- feedback from Shadi's session on "Testing for WCAG 2.0" at CSUN
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- agenda+ feedback from Shadi's session on "Testing for WCAG 2.0" at CSUN
- 12:24:00 [shadi]
- agenda+ Reporting coverage issues to WCAG WG
- 12:24:15 [shadi]
- agenda+ Review of the review process document
- 12:24:38 [shadi]
- agenda+ Review of example entries based on currently available test samples and reviews
- 12:24:48 [shadi]
- agenda+ New tests from BenToWeb team
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- agenda+ Feedback to submitters of test samples
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- agenda+ Test Case Management System
- 12:25:23 [shadi]
- agenda+ Web form interface for submitting test samples
- 12:25:33 [shadi]
- agenda+ Some resolutions from previous telecons that need to be documented
- 12:29:36 [RalphS]
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- 12:30:47 [MichaelC]
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- 12:31:32 [RalphS]
- zakim, this is tsdtf
- 12:31:32 [Zakim]
- RalphS, this was already WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM
- 12:31:33 [Zakim]
- ok, RalphS; that matches WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM
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- +Shadi
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- +Christophe_Strobbe
- 12:33:06 [shadi]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 12:33:06 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Shadi, Christophe_Strobbe
- 12:33:53 [Zakim]
- +Vangelis_Karkaletsis
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- +MichaelC
- 12:38:50 [shadi]
- agenda?
- 12:39:16 [shadi]
- zakim, take up agendum 1
- 12:39:16 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "feedback from Shadi's session on "Testing for WCAG 2.0" at CSUN" taken up [from shadi]
- 12:40:24 [Christophe]
- Presentation on "Testing for WCAG 2.0", which described work of TSD TF; purpose and status.
- 12:40:57 [Christophe]
- One or two organizations may be interested in assigning resources. This may take a while.
- 12:41:21 [Christophe]
- Got attention of some tool developers; some asked for URL of the slides.
- 12:41:58 [Christophe]
- Next opportunity: Web for All conference in May.
- 12:43:04 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/Talks/2007/0321/WCAG20/slidy
- 12:43:15 [Christophe]
- TSD TF participants: use opportunities to talk about this work.
- 12:43:23 [shadi]
- zakim, take up next
- 12:43:23 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "Reporting coverage issues to WCAG WG" taken up [from shadi]
- 12:43:40 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Mar/0002.html
- 12:43:56 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/2006/tsdtf/IssuesTemplatePage
- 12:44:53 [shadi]
- CS: looked at this last week, no objections
- 12:45:43 [shadi]
- RESOLUTION: adopt the issues template linked above for reporting issues to WCAG WG
- 12:45:53 [shadi]
- zakim, take up next
- 12:45:53 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "Review of the review process document" taken up [from shadi]
- 12:46:02 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2006/tests/process
- 12:46:11 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Mar/0026.html
- 12:46:20 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Apr/0003.html
- 12:49:46 [Christophe]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Mar/0019.html
- 12:51:34 [MichaelC]
- q+ to suggest it doesn't need another strawpoll round
- 12:52:03 [MichaelC]
- ack me
- 12:52:03 [Zakim]
- MichaelC, you wanted to suggest it doesn't need another strawpoll round
- 12:53:06 [shadi]
- SAZ: "bug" is a minor mistake (or typo etc) in the test sample
- 12:53:45 [shadi]
- ...it can be just fixed by the reviewer (or someone else who takes the action item) and doesn't need to go back to the group
- 12:55:23 [shadi]
- ...it's the chairs discretion to decide what constitutes a "bug" (rather than try to specify concrete parameters)
- 12:55:45 [shadi]
- CS: so a "bug" is a new outcome from the TF decision
- 12:56:24 [shadi]
- SAZ: yes, it's a "go ahead but with some minor modifications" (rather than "go ahead as-is" or "no, this needs to be reqorked")
- 12:56:51 [shadi]
- CS: in a "bug" we assume we only have minor mistakes, that don't need re-review by the TF
- 12:58:49 [shadi]
- SAZ: correct. things like wrong date, incorrect value, typos, etc
- 12:59:12 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Mar/att-0019/review.png
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- outcomes of a TF decision:
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- 1. Reject: the group totally rejects a submitted test sample, it must be resubmitted and re-reviewed from the start
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- 2. minor bugs as discussed above
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- 3. more substantial bugs but not necessarily sufficient to constitute a rejection (test sample needs reworking)
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- ...in this case it will need to have another content-review that describes how the issues were addressed, then go back for a strawpoll by the TF
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- 4. acceptance of the test-sample "as-is" (sent to WCAG WG for final approval)
- 13:07:20 [shadi]
- 5. test sample identifies an issue in the test procedure or technique, rather than in the test sample itself
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- ...these type of test samples are documented separately in a queue for WCAG WG to process
- 13:08:56 [Zakim]
- +Tim_Boland
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- 13:14:07 [shadi]
- TB: "substantial bugs" are a conditional reject and need to be repaired by the author
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- ...unless author expresses consent to have TF modify the submission
- 13:16:32 [shadi]
- rrsagent, make logs world
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- rrsagent, make minutes
- 13:16:38 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-tsdtf-minutes.html shadi
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- rrsagent, make logs world
- 13:19:52 [Zakim]
- restarting in 3 minutes to recover a bridge connection. Apologies for the inconvenience
- 13:21:30 [shadi]
- TB: how will the submitter be made aware about the expectation, especially for responses that are on hold and may take longer
- 13:21:59 [shadi]
- SAZ: we haven't addressed such communication yet, will need to when we open up for public submission
- 13:22:46 [shadi]
- action: SAZ to update flow-chart according to the above and resend to the TF
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- 13:24:38 [RalphS]
- zakim, this is tsdtf
- 13:24:38 [Zakim]
- ok, RalphS; that matches WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM
- 13:24:44 [RalphS]
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- 13:25:23 [shadi]
- SAZ: when an issue is recorded for WCAG WG (a test sample identifies an issue in the WCAG technique or test procedure), it is recorded in its own wiki template as an outcome of the TF decision
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- agenda?
- 13:26:02 [shadi]
- agenda+ Review of example entries based on currently available test samples and reviews
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- agenda+ New tests from BenToWeb team
- 13:26:25 [shadi]
- agenda+ Feedback to submitters of test samples
- 13:26:35 [shadi]
- agenda+ Test Case Management System
- 13:26:42 [shadi]
- agenda+ Web form interface for submitting test samples
- 13:26:53 [shadi]
- agenda+ Some resolutions from previous telecons that need to be documented
- 13:28:11 [shadi]
- zakim, take up agendum 2
- 13:28:11 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "New tests from BenToWeb team" taken up [from shadi]
- 13:28:26 [shadi]
- CS: have test samples ready
- 13:30:28 [shadi]
- SAZ: maybe better to wait a week or two and watch potential changes due to updated WCAG 2.0 WD or changes from BenToWeb review
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- -Tim_Boland
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- -Vangelis_Karkaletsis
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- -MichaelC
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- -Shadi
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- -Christophe_Strobbe
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- WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has ended
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- Attendees were Shadi, Christophe_Strobbe, Vangelis_Karkaletsis, MichaelC, Tim_Boland
- 13:33:38 [Vangelis]
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- 13:33:49 [shadi]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-tsdtf-minutes.html shadi
- 13:33:55 [MichaelC]
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- zakim, bye
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- 13:35:10 [shadi]
- rrsagent, make logs world
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- rrsagent, bye
- 13:35:16 [RRSAgent]
- I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-tsdtf-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: SAZ to update flow-chart according to the above and resend to the TF [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-tsdtf-irc#T13-22-46