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14:53:35 <TomB> rrsagent, bookmark
14:53:35 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-irc#T14-53-35
14:53:41 <TomB> zakim, this will be swd
14:53:41 <Zakim> ok, TomB, I see SW_SWD()11:00AM already started
14:53:53 <TomB> Meeting: SWD WG
14:53:56 <TomB> Chair: Tom
14:54:28 <TomB> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Apr/0021.html
14:54:56 <RalphS> RalphS has joined #swd
14:55:04 <TomB> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html
14:55:44 <TomB> Regrets: Elisa, Simone, Guus
14:55:58 <TomB> rrsagent, please make record public
14:57:38 <seanb> yes
14:57:41 <Zakim> + +0120682aaaa
14:57:47 <seanb> just about to dial in thouggh....
14:58:30 <Zakim> +??P35
14:59:26 <seanb> Scribe: seanb
15:00:35 <TomB> http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc
15:00:42 <Zakim> +Ralph
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15:02:28 <Zakim> +Antoine_Isaac
15:04:09 <RalphS> zakim, who's on the call?
15:04:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see TomB, Bernard, SeanB, Ralph, Antoine_Isaac
15:04:39 <JonP> JonP has joined #swd
15:06:01 <seanb> Topic: Admin
15:06:23 <berrueta> berrueta has joined #swd
15:06:24 <Zakim> +Jon_Phipps
15:06:30 <vit> vit has joined #swd
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15:07:28 <Zakim> +??P7
15:07:37 <JonP> zakim, Jon_Phipps is me
15:07:37 <Zakim> + +49.842.9.aabb
15:07:38 <Zakim> +JonP; got it
15:07:46 <berrueta> zakim, ??P7 is me
15:07:46 <Zakim> I already had ??P7 as Aliman, berrueta
15:08:16 <RalphS> zakim, aliman is really Diego
15:08:16 <Zakim> +Diego; got it
15:08:28 <seanb> PROPOSED to accept minutes of 3 April telecon: http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html
15:08:55 <seanb> RESOLVED: accepted minutes
15:08:58 <RalphS> zakim, vit is really Alistair
15:08:58 <Zakim> +Alistair; got it
15:09:00 <seanb> Upcoming telecons:
15:09:08 <seanb> April 24th, no problem
15:09:27 <vit> ehm, i'm not on the phone - sorry for possible confusion - i'm only following you on IRC
15:09:37 <seanb> May 1st TomB has a problem
15:09:47 <seanb> May 8th: WWW conflict
15:09:47 <RalphS> [ok, Vit; thanks, just confusion when Diego and Alistair joined]
15:09:56 <RalphS> Ralph: Regrets for May 8, I'll be in Banff
15:10:18 <seanb> Spring face-to-face meeting. Proposed to hold it in Sept/Oct/Nov
15:10:33 <seanb> RESOLVED: Next f2f in Sep/Oct/Nov
15:10:48 <seanb> ACTION: TomB to start questionnaire on date for f2f
15:10:56 <aliman> I can't make May 1st, can make May 8th telcon.
15:11:08 <seanb> Bernard: W3C plenary in 1st week of Nov. Why not synchronise?
15:11:35 <seanb> Ralph: Probably good idea, but potentail conflict wth ISWC
15:11:48 <seanb> Ralph: In Cambridge (4-10 Nov)
15:12:08 <seanb> Topic: SKOS
15:12:13 <RalphS> (dates definitely overlap ISWC; the question is whether that matters for SWD WG)
15:12:24 <seanb> ACTION: Antoine, Jon, Daniel respond to the SKOS Use Case reviews, target a decision to publish on 17 April [http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action02]
15:12:47 <seanb> --continues
15:13:11 <seanb> Antoine: issues still to be resolved, hopefully in the next fw days. 
15:13:13 <Zakim> +Ben_Adida
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15:13:23 <seanb> ...requesting feedback from reviewers to comments addressed
15:13:47 <seanb> ACTION: Alan to write up the preferredLabel modelling issue [http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action01]
15:13:49 <seanb> --continues
15:13:58 <seanb> ACTION: Alan to write down the general documentation requirements, in particular to those that are related to literal values, and how to represent that in skos [http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action09]
15:14:00 <seanb> --continues
15:14:14 <seanb> Antoine: Is it possible to get some support (e.g. Ralph) w.r.t the 
15:14:25 <seanb> ... editorial aspects of putting documents into W3C and get processed 
15:14:31 <seanb> .. with proper stylesheets
15:14:47 <seanb> Ralph: From WG homepage there are pointers to guides for editors
15:15:03 <seanb> ... tech report editors materials (bottom of WG home paghe)
15:15:17 <seanb> ...document is in wg space, so pubrules checker can be run over it.
15:15:35 <seanb> Antoine: worried about technical difficulties. E.g. uses amaya but then
15:15:47 <seanb> ...output is diofferent. character encoding?
15:15:52 <seanb> Jon: Can help with this.
15:16:03 <seanb> ACTION: Guus revise his ISSUE-26 proposal to account for other options [http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-minutes.html#action07]
15:16:06 <seanb> --continues
15:16:11 <aliman> I just use http://www.w3.org/StyleSheets/TR/base as base stylesheet for editors drafts
15:16:18 <seanb> ACTION: Alistair to write up two alternatives for representing Collections [http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action08]
15:16:22 <seanb> --continues
15:16:37 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/#resources Editors' Resources
15:16:37 <seanb> Topic: Recipes
15:16:46 <seanb> ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3 [http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
15:16:49 <seanb> --continues
15:17:23 <seanb> Topic: Vocabulary Managament
15:17:31 <seanb> ACTION: Elisa to provide outline of work to be done by Apr 17 [http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action01]
15:17:33 <seanb> --continues
15:17:45 <seanb> Topic: RDFa
15:17:56 <seanb> ACTION: Ben to send mail to Semantic Web and HTML mailing lists publicizing and soliciting comments on RDFa Primer and RDFa Use Cases work [http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-minutes.html#action14]
15:17:59 <seanb> --done
15:18:10 <seanb> Ben: Just did it 45 minutes ago!
15:18:21 <benadida> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Apr/1027.html
15:18:36 <seanb> Ben: Report from yesterday's call
15:18:49 <seanb> ...Have a solid Working draft for use cases/primer
15:18:54 <seanb> ...hoping for more comments
15:18:55 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes record of 2007-04-16 RDFa telecon
15:19:02 <seanb> ...working on synatx and diuscussing what to bring to last call
15:19:08 <seanb> ...feedback from grdddl wg
15:19:21 <seanb> ...grdddl taking sntax and test cases to last call.
15:19:34 <seanb> ...use cases and primer kept as notes.
15:20:01 <RalphS> q+
15:20:04 <seanb> ...i.e. normative docs as last call, non-normative stuff as wg notes
15:20:42 <seanb> Ralph: this is fine. Case by case decising by wg as to what should be rec and what should be 
15:21:02 <seanb> ...notes. Anything important for a reader to understand the technology (and us e it) should be part of
15:21:26 <seanb> ...rec package. Auxiliarry stuff could be notes. Use cases fall into the second. Primer maybe not.
15:21:33 <seanb> ...depends on how complete other documents are.
15:21:52 <seanb> Ben: GRDDL wg says that their primer will go to last call if time permits. 
15:22:13 <RalphS> q+
15:22:13 <seanb> ...If primer is particularly useful then it could be part of the rec. Documents are
15:22:30 <seanb> ...useful, but pushing them all to rec status may not be feasible in the time.
15:22:49 <seanb> Ralph: Used to be that could decide later. New W3 patent policy requires us to say whether or not
15:23:00 <seanb> ... a document is rec track when first drafts are published. 
15:23:12 <seanb> Ben: Have already made statements about the documents.
15:23:45 <seanb> Ralph: In case of RDFa rec has moved from being part of XHTML to standalone document
15:23:59 <seanb> ...can potentially change our minds later
15:24:16 <seanb> Ben: Safe to say that use cases and other auxiliaries are ok as notes.
15:24:22 <seanb> ...Primre should be part of rec package
15:24:36 <seanb> Ralph: I don't see a particular reason to break that trend
15:24:59 <seanb> Ben: RDFa overview document. Points to other documents. May be auxiliary
15:25:10 <seanb> ...Just an umbrella
15:25:38 <seanb> ...Proposed: syntax rec track test cases last call. primer to last call. Others notes
15:25:50 <seanb> ...Will send summary to group cc swd. ANy comments please shout
15:26:16 <seanb> ACTION: Ben to send a summary of status of components of specifications will be handled
15:26:24 <seanb> Topic: AOB
15:26:36 <seanb> TomB: Request for comments on GRDDL last call
15:26:55 <seanb> ...volunteer to read grddl spec and report back to next week's call
15:27:11 <seanb> ...can then send a note to grddl. Purpose of review is to flag issues that we see
15:27:36 <seanb> ...w.r.t. SWD deliverables. Anything that raises issues re. SKOS or RDFa should be flagged
15:27:57 <RalphS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Apr/0020.html Request for Comments from SWD Group on GRDDL Last Call [TomB]
15:28:00 <seanb> ...also soliciting feedback on test cases and primer (but GRDDDL spec more important)
15:28:39 <seanb> Ben: was involved in GRDDL. What's the timeline?
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15:29:15 <seanb> TomB: By middle of next week. Not a complete review, but before April 24th.
15:29:24 <seanb> Ben: Can't do it (is moving)
15:29:42 <seanb> TomB: Looking for some kind of collective response
15:29:55 <RalphS> "Comments are due by 30 March 2007" -- http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl/
15:30:01 <seanb> Ben: Some mild concerns that they haven't taken RDFa into account. Not killer concerns,
15:30:05 <seanb> ...but worth noting
15:30:24 <seanb> ...Can email them and say I need more time before feeding back
15:31:05 <seanb> ...whatever happens, Ben should send comment
15:31:29 <seanb> ...This is a good document. Someone else shoudlt ake a look as Ben's been involved
15:31:56 <RalphS> zakim, who's on the call?
15:31:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see TomB, Bernard, SeanB, Ralph, Antoine_Isaac, JonP, Diego, Alistair, Ben_Adida
15:32:03 <seanb> ACTION: Ben to provide feedback on GRDDL Last Call Doc
15:32:16 <seanb> Diego: I'll do it
15:32:51 <seanb> ACTION: Diego to review GRDDL Last Call Doc. Discuss briefly at next week's call
15:33:26 <seanb> TomB: next meeting April 24th for sure.
15:33:31 <Zakim> -Ben_Adida
15:33:33 <Zakim> -Bernard
15:33:34 <Zakim> -Diego
15:33:35 <Zakim> -Alistair
15:33:37 <Zakim> -JonP
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15:34:00 <Zakim> -Antoine_Isaac
15:34:04 <RalphS> zakim, list participants
15:34:04 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +0120682aaaa, Bernard, SeanB, TomB, Ralph, Antoine_Isaac, +49.842.9.aabb, JonP, Diego, Alistair, Ben_Adida
15:34:57 <Zakim> -Ralph
15:35:02 <Zakim> -SeanB
15:35:13 <seanb> rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:35:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html seanb
15:35:34 <Zakim> -TomB
15:35:35 <Zakim> SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended
15:35:39 <Zakim> Attendees were +0120682aaaa, Bernard, SeanB, TomB, Ralph, Antoine_Isaac, +49.842.9.aabb, JonP, Diego, Alistair, Ben_Adida
15:40:12 <Antoine> Antoine has left #swd
15:43:33 <seanb> ralph -- one question. Who is/was +0120682aaaa??
15:48:07 <RalphS> that was Bernard
15:50:51 <RalphS> zakim, bye
15:50:51 <Zakim> Zakim has left #swd
15:50:54 <RalphS> rrsagent, bye
15:50:54 <RRSAgent> I see 12 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-actions.rdf :
15:50:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: TomB to start questionnaire on date for f2f [1]
15:50:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-irc#T15-10-48
15:50:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Antoine, Jon, Daniel respond to the SKOS Use Case reviews, target a decision to publish on 17 April [http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action02] [2]
15:50:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-irc#T15-12-24
15:50:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Alan to write up the preferredLabel modelling issue [http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action01] [3]
15:50:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-irc#T15-13-47
15:50:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Alan to write down the general documentation requirements, in particular to those that are related to literal values, and how to represent that in skos [http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action09] [4]
15:50:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-irc#T15-13-58
15:50:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus revise his ISSUE-26 proposal to account for other options [http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-minutes.html#action07] [5]
15:50:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-irc#T15-16-03
15:50:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Alistair to write up two alternatives for representing Collections [http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action08] [6]
15:50:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-irc#T15-16-18
15:50:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3 [http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] [7]
15:50:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-irc#T15-16-46
15:50:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Elisa to provide outline of work to be done by Apr 17 [http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action01] [8]
15:50:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-irc#T15-17-31
15:50:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to send mail to Semantic Web and HTML mailing lists publicizing and soliciting comments on RDFa Primer and RDFa Use Cases work [http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-minutes.html#action14] [9]
15:50:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-irc#T15-17-56
15:50:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to send a summary of status of components of specifications will be handled [10]
15:50:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-irc#T15-26-16
15:50:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to provide feedback on GRDDL Last Call Doc [11]
15:50:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-irc#T15-32-03
15:50:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Diego to review GRDDL Last Call Doc. Discuss briefly at next week's call [12]
15:50:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-irc#T15-32-51