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12:56:27 <mhausenblas> zakim, this will be SW_SWD(RDFa)
12:56:27 <Zakim> ok, mhausenblas; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)9:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
12:56:42 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)9:00AM has now started
12:56:49 <Zakim> +??P2
12:57:14 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
12:57:17 <Zakim> -??P2
12:57:32 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
12:57:33 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
12:57:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
12:57:48 <ShaneM> zakim, [IPca is ShaneM 
12:57:48 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
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12:58:40 <ShaneM>  zakim, mute me
12:58:40 <Zakim> ShaneM should now be muted
12:58:51 <mhausenblas> Meeting: W3C RDF-in-XHTML TF - Telecon 2007-04-16, 13:00 UTC 
12:59:08 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Apr/0064.html
12:59:24 <mhausenblas> zakim, who is here?
12:59:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see mhausenblas, ShaneM (muted)
12:59:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see TomB, Zakim, RRSAgent, FabienG, ShaneM, mhausenblas, markbirbeck_
12:59:34 <Zakim> +FabienG
13:00:02 <Steven> Steven has joined #rdfa
13:00:13 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
13:00:13 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
13:00:14 <Zakim> +Steven
13:01:22 <Simone> Simone has joined #rdfa
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13:01:40 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
13:01:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see mhausenblas, ShaneM (muted), FabienG, Steven
13:01:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see benadida, Simone, Steven, TomB, Zakim, RRSAgent, FabienG, ShaneM, mhausenblas, markbirbeck_
13:01:53 <Zakim> +Ben_Adida
13:02:07 <mhausenblas> Present: Tom_Baker, Fabien_Gandon, Shane_McCarron,  Ben_Adida
13:02:21 <mhausenblas> present+ Simone
13:02:36 <Steven> hi mark
13:02:39 <Zakim> +??P0
13:02:44 <Simone> Zakim, P0 is me
13:02:44 <Zakim> sorry, Simone, I do not recognize a party named 'P0'
13:03:02 <mhausenblas> zakim, ??P0 is simone
13:03:02 <Zakim> +simone; got it
13:03:04 <Simone> Zakim ??P0 is me
13:03:08 <benadida> zakim, pick a victim
13:03:08 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ShaneM (muted)
13:03:17 <Steven> zakim, who is noisy?
13:03:17 <ShaneM>  zakim, unmute me
13:03:17 <Zakim> ShaneM should no longer be muted
13:03:27 <Zakim> Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: simone (94%), ??P2 (39%), ShaneM (69%), Ben_Adida (5%)
13:03:38 <Simone> Zakim, Mute me
13:03:38 <Zakim> simone should now be muted
13:03:40 <Steven> zakim, mute ??p2
13:03:40 <Zakim> sorry, Steven, I do not know which phone connection belongs to ??p2
13:04:02 <Steven> zakim, who is noisy?
13:04:14 <Zakim> Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P2 (79%), ShaneM (5%), Ben_Adida (31%)
13:04:22 <Steven> zakim, mute ??P2
13:04:22 <Zakim> sorry, Steven, I do not know which phone connection belongs to ??P2
13:04:33 <ShaneM>  zakim, mute me
13:04:33 <Zakim> ShaneM should now be muted
13:04:38 <Steven> zakim, mute p2
13:04:38 <Zakim> sorry, Steven, I do not know which phone connection belongs to p2
13:04:42 <TomB> zakim, please mute me
13:04:42 <Zakim> sorry, TomB, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
13:04:55 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
13:04:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see mhausenblas, ShaneM (muted), FabienG, Steven, Ben_Adida, simone (muted)
13:04:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see benadida, Simone, Steven, TomB, Zakim, RRSAgent, FabienG, ShaneM, mhausenblas, markbirbeck_
13:05:12 <Steven> zakim, who is noisy?
13:05:22 <Zakim> Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P2 (61%), Ben_Adida (38%)
13:06:30 <mhausenblas> ScribeNick: mhausenblas
13:06:35 <mhausenblas> Chair: Ben
13:06:56 <mhausenblas> Regrets: Mark, Ralph
13:07:08 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:07:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
13:07:14 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public
13:07:42 <mhausenblas> Ben: Any additions to the agenda?
13:07:44 <mhausenblas> No
13:07:54 <mhausenblas> Topic: 1. Action Items
13:08:00 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Ben to update issues list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]
13:08:04 <mhausenblas> -- done
13:08:21 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Michael to update Fabian's XSLT [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]
13:08:31 <mhausenblas> -- done
13:08:45 <mhausenblas> Fabien has actually done the work !
13:08:55 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are not supported by RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action01]
13:08:58 <mhausenblas> -- continues
13:09:10 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to add issue to issues list and start discussion with previous reference and issue reference [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]
13:09:17 <mhausenblas> -- done
13:09:24 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]
13:09:27 <mhausenblas> -- continues
13:09:37 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to take a look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006Jun/0001.html to see if issue has been resolved [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action17]
13:09:43 <mhausenblas> -- continues
13:10:24 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Wing 
13:11:16 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Elias to look for cases where plain literal is more of a common use. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action24]
13:11:25 <mhausenblas> -- withdraw
13:11:37 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10]
13:11:40 <mhausenblas> -- continues
13:11:46 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/23-htmltf-minutes.html#action08]
13:11:50 <mhausenblas> -- continues
13:11:57 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: MarkB to work rdf:label back into RDFa syntax when using @content [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action25]
13:12:00 <mhausenblas> -- continues
13:12:12 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]
13:12:15 <mhausenblas> -- continues
13:12:49 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Wing add a property to the test case schema for tracking origin and approval of an individual test [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]
13:12:55 <mhausenblas> -- continues
13:13:04 <mhausenblas> Topic:  2. Test Cases
13:13:16 <Steven> scribe: Steven
13:13:18 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/testcases/ TC
13:13:26 <Steven> mh: THis is the test case index
13:13:30 <Steven> s/TH/Th/
13:13:50 <Steven> ... we are using SPARQL as reference
13:14:09 <Steven> ... tests cover new tests like the one introduced by Fabien
13:14:24 <Steven> ... there are some tests still pending from the primer, mailing lists, etc
13:14:32 <Zakim> +??P5
13:14:48 <Steven> zakim, ??P5 is TomB
13:14:49 <Zakim> I already had ??P5 as TomB, Steven
13:14:54 <Steven> :-)
13:15:03 <Steven> mh: How do we plan to approve them?
13:15:08 <ShaneM>  zakim, unmute me
13:15:08 <Zakim> ShaneM should no longer be muted
13:15:27 <Steven> Ben: We should all approve all the tests, so we have a record that these are a[pproved test cases
13:15:36 <Steven> Ben: Have people looked at them all?
13:15:39 <Steven> q+
13:15:48 <Steven> Ben: I'd like to approve a few of them
13:15:57 <Steven> ... and slowly catch up
13:17:01 <Steven> Steven: I've never heard of groups agreeing test cases before.
13:17:14 <Steven> ... Usually problems occur and then issues get discussed
13:17:39 <ShaneM>  q+
13:17:41 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-tests/ GRDDL test
13:17:46 <Steven> mh: THe GRDDLE test cases were approved individually
13:17:50 <Steven> s/TH/Th/
13:17:55 <Steven> s/LE/L/
13:18:01 <Steven> q-
13:18:34 <Steven> Steven: Schema has O(10000) tests
13:18:45 <mhausenblas> q+
13:19:09 <Steven> Fabien: For GRDDL, sets of tests were approved after running through implementations
13:19:33 <Steven> Shane: The tests are expressed as XHTML 1.1, which is fine, but they are not legal XHTML 1.1
13:19:38 <Steven> Ben: Good point6
13:19:51 <Steven> s/6//
13:19:59 <Steven> q+
13:20:05 <Steven> ack shaneM
13:20:07 <ShaneM>  q-
13:20:09 <mhausenblas> ack me
13:20:33 <Steven> mh: Let's do the approval based on the partitioning
13:20:40 <Steven> ... across languages
13:21:46 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/08/online_xslt/xslt?xslfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2006%2F07%2FSWD%2FRDFa%2Ftestsuite%2Fwork%2Fmanifest2html.xslt&xmlfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2006%2F07%2FSWD%2FRDFa%2Ftestsuite%2Ftestcases%2Frdfa-test-manifest.rdf&content-type=&submit=transform Human readable form TC
13:21:54 <Steven> Steven: I think Shane was suuggesting using the XHTML+RDFa DTD
13:22:00 <Steven> ... and make sure the fiules are valid
13:22:05 <Steven> s/iu/i/
13:22:25 <ShaneM>  Yes, and in the context of HTML 4 perhaps use the sample HTML 4 DTD I put together
13:22:27 <Steven> mh: We are working on the partitioning, so let's wait till next week
13:22:51 <Steven> Ben: Go ahead with the partitioning, then freeze them, and email the current implementors
13:23:18 <Steven> ... (me, Fabien, Elias), and then let them test, and send any problems
13:23:28 <Steven> ... and use that as basis for the approval
13:23:58 <benadida> ACTION: MichaelH to do partitioning of TCs, freeze the XHTML1.1+RDFa, and invite implementors to comment.
13:24:13 <Steven> (Above URL doesn't work in all browsers apparently)
13:25:15 <mhausenblas> Topic: 3.  Schedule
13:25:18 <Steven> Scribe: Michael
13:25:28 <Steven> scribenick: mhausenblas
13:25:38 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule Schedule
13:25:46 <mhausenblas> Ben: Moving to west cost
13:26:15 <mhausenblas> ... will update the TF about new meeting scheduling (poll)
13:26:20 <Steven> Steven: regrets for the 30th April
13:26:33 <mhausenblas> .. next week call as usual, week after not here
13:26:47 <Steven> ... Queen's Day (if you know what that means, then you know what that means....)
13:27:03 <mhausenblas> Ben: We are making progress
13:27:17 <mhausenblas> ... but still behind
13:27:46 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule
13:28:05 <mhausenblas> Ben: We got comments on UC from Fabien
13:29:03 <mhausenblas> ... rec-track: need last call for all documents?
13:29:23 <Steven> q+
13:29:30 <mhausenblas> Fabien: In GRDDL, for Primer we made LC
13:29:54 <FabienG> q++
13:29:57 <FabienG> q+
13:30:24 <mhausenblas> Steven: For normative stuff as Syntax absolutely necessary
13:30:44 <mhausenblas> ... but no rec track for non-normative things
13:31:08 <mhausenblas> Fabien: In GRDDL we had a vote on the according docs
13:31:48 <mhausenblas> q+
13:31:59 <benadida> ack Steven
13:32:00 <benadida> ack +
13:32:03 <benadida> ack FabienG
13:32:58 <Steven> What do we see as the advantage of rec track on a primer??
13:33:35 <mhausenblas> Michael: Let us go for rec track only with syntax, rest if time allows
13:33:51 <ShaneM>  Does the primer have a short name already?
13:33:55 <benadida> ACTION: Ben to discuss Primer and Use Cases as Note, Syntax and Test Cases as REC, at SWD WG meeting
13:34:16 <benadida> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-rdfa-primer/
13:35:22 <mhausenblas> Michael: Please add -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/  RDFa Overview
13:35:47 <benadida> ACTION: Ben to discuss RDFa Overview as a note
13:36:29 <mhausenblas> Ben: Will discuss these issues with the SWD on tomorrow's call
13:37:25 <mhausenblas> ... happy that Steven is also on Syntax
13:37:46 <FabienG> Pointer to the pubrule checker for the note : http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules?uimode=checker_full&uri=
13:38:09 <benadida> ACTION: Ben to hand over rdfa syntax baton to Steven on 4/23
13:38:47 <mhausenblas> Ben: Present the Syntax doc as a WD to SWD WG
13:40:20 <mhausenblas> Ben: Approval of first set of TC by next telecon 
13:40:24 <mhausenblas> Michael: Ok
13:41:29 <mhausenblas> Ben: Michael, push the TC!
13:43:32 <mhausenblas> Ben: Schedule Primer and UC on May 28
13:44:04 <ShaneM>  I can review Primer and Use Cases.
13:44:55 <mhausenblas> Ben: I'm currently updating the Wiki to reflect the new assignments
13:45:02 <benadida> ACTION: Ben to flesh out the schedule and present for everyone's approval next week.
13:48:17 <benadida> ACTION: Ben to email list about next week's vote on a resolution regarding CLASS and ROLE attributes and rdf:type.
13:48:59 <mhausenblas> Michael: Please note that -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/3 role/class issue has been updated
13:51:09 <mhausenblas> Topic: 4.  SRC attribute discussion
13:51:28 <mhausenblas> postponed
13:51:34 <mhausenblas> Topic: 5. MIME type for XHTML1.1+RDFa and resulting IE issues
13:52:11 <mhausenblas> Shane:  XHTML+XML is the media type, but this does not deliver correctly
13:52:23 <mhausenblas> ... no resolution, yet
13:52:42 <mhausenblas> ... I'm ope to ideas
13:53:08 <mhausenblas> Ben: So, it wouldn't validate?
13:53:28 <mhausenblas> Shane: No, does not effect validation
13:53:56 <mhausenblas> ... but has effect on prefix declaration
13:54:19 <mhausenblas> Ben: So, the validator does not accept the xmlns prefixes
13:54:34 <mhausenblas> ack me
13:55:03 <mhausenblas> Steven: Depends on SGML or XML
13:55:16 <mhausenblas> ... XML should accept it
13:55:37 <mhausenblas> ... so the validator should not complain
13:56:06 <mhausenblas> ... currently: SGML/DTD validation
13:56:45 <mhausenblas> Shane: There is no XHTML 1.1 XSD, but an XML-DTD
13:58:52 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/QA/2007/04/validator_080_upgrade_notes.html Validator upgrade notes
13:59:31 <mhausenblas> Steven: The update is in the pipeline
13:59:53 <mhausenblas> ... XHTML M15N comes out, then schema follows
14:00:09 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:00:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
14:00:54 <benadida> ACTION: Ben to ask W3C about XML-DTD validation
14:01:00 <Steven> s/M15N/M12N/
14:01:16 <mhausenblas> present+ Steven_Pemberton
14:01:23 <mhausenblas> present+ Michael_Hausenblas
14:04:12 <mhausenblas> Steven: Two issues, validator and processors (user agents)
14:04:25 <ShaneM>  The Media Type is an announcement mechanism that tells a user agent what processing engine to use, in theory.
14:04:44 <ShaneM>  XHTML 1.1 mandates the use of application/xhtml+xml - which IE does not grok
14:06:49 <mhausenblas> Ben: We have to sort out things and figure out the problems
14:07:24 <mhausenblas> Steven: There are some tricks to convince IE to do it right
14:07:41 <mhausenblas> Ben: Should we actually recommend a specific way?
14:08:00 <ShaneM>  the media type associated with documents annotated with RDFa should be the media type of the host document.
14:08:14 <ShaneM>  s/host document/host language/
14:08:18 <mhausenblas> +1
14:08:54 <benadida> RESOLUTION: the media type associated with documents annotated with RDFa should be the media type of the host language.
14:08:58 <benadida> to be voted on next week
14:09:14 <benadida> ACTION: Ben to email the resolution on mime type to the mailing list
14:09:26 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:09:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
14:09:36 <mhausenblas> Ben: Any AOB?
14:09:50 <mhausenblas> ... beside @src 
14:10:03 <mhausenblas> ... will be done next week
14:10:07 <Zakim> -ShaneM
14:10:09 <Zakim> -Steven
14:10:11 <Simone> bye!
14:10:12 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
14:10:13 <Zakim> -Ben_Adida
14:10:18 <Zakim> -FabienG
14:10:20 <ShaneM> ShaneM has left #rdfa
14:10:22 <Zakim> -TomB
14:10:24 <Zakim> -simone
14:10:25 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)9:00AM has ended
14:10:27 <Zakim> Attendees were mhausenblas, [IPcaller], ShaneM, FabienG, Steven, Ben_Adida, simone, TomB
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14:12:26 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:12:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html Steven
14:13:44 <Steven> I don't I'm afraid
14:13:49 <Steven> Can't we infer who it was?
14:13:52 <mhausenblas> hm
14:13:54 <mhausenblas> no
14:14:12 <mhausenblas> also not from IRC, i think
14:15:44 <Steven> sometimes zakim reports the person's name and the connection name
14:16:15 <mhausenblas> ok. thanks. anyway, I'll go over the minutes and send it to ralpH ...
14:16:20 <mhausenblas> cheers, bye!
14:16:22 <Steven> k
14:16:23 <Steven> thanks
14:16:24 <Steven> bye
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