IRC log of wai-wcag on 2007-04-12
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/04/12-wai-wcag-irc
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- RRSAgent, do not start a new log
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- zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
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- ok, ben; I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM scheduled to start 41 minutes ago
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- Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007AprJun/0016.html
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- Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- Regrets: Bruce_Bailey, Sean_Hayes, Cynthia_Shelly
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- agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
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- agenda+ Special Topics Survey of 12 April 2007
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- agenda+ Team B Survey for 5 April 2007
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- agenda+ Team C Proposals for 12 April 2007
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- agenda+ Misc Questions for 12 April 2007
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- agenda+ 12 April 2007 Conformance Survey
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- WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started
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- +John_Slatin
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- MichaelC_IAD, you asked to be pinged at this time to remind me of WCAG
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- +David_MacDonald
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- + +1.443.415.aaaa
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- + +1.703.265.aabb
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- +Alex_Li
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- +Michael_Cooper
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- +[IPcaller]
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- - +1.443.415.aaaa
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- +Andi_Snow_Weaver
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- zakim, [IPcaller is Bengt_Farre
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- +Bengt_Farre; got it
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- + +1.703.265.aacc
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- +[IPcaller]
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- zakim, [IPcaller is Roberto_Ellero
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- +Roberto_Ellero; got it
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- +Christophe_Strobbe
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- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- +??P15
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- Zakim, mute Roberto_Ellero
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- Roberto_Ellero should now be muted
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- zakim, ??P15 is Gregg_and_Ben
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- +Gregg_and_Ben; got it
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- + +1.443.415.aadd
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- On the phone I see John_Slatin, David_MacDonald, +1.703.265.aabb, Alex_Li, Michael_Cooper, Bengt_Farre, Andi_Snow_Weaver, +1.703.265.aacc, Roberto_Ellero (muted),
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- ... Christophe_Strobbe, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, +1.443.415.aadd (muted)
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- Not looking too promising for a scribe...
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- zakim, +1.703.365.aacc is Tim_Boland
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- sorry, ben, I do not recognize a party named '+1.703.365.aacc'
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- 2 of them 703
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- zakim, +1.703.265.aacc is Tim_Boland
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- +Tim_Boland; got it
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- scribe: David
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- zakim, +1.443.415.aadd is Bruce_Bailey
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- +Bruce_Bailey; got it
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from ben]
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- zakim, close this item
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- I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, ben
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- q?
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- ack +1
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- zakim, take up agendum 2
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- agendum 2. "Special Topics Survey of 12 April 2007" taken up [from ben]
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- q+
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- ack l
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- +??P13
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- zakim, ??P13 is Cynthia_Shelly
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- +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- On the phone I see John_Slatin, David_MacDonald, +1.703.265.aabb, Alex_Li, Michael_Cooper, Bengt_Farre, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Tim_Boland, Roberto_Ellero (muted), Christophe_Strobbe,
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- ... Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, Cynthia_Shelly
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- zakim, +1.703.265.aabb is Don_Evans
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- +Don_Evans; got it
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 20:21:59 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see John_Slatin, David_MacDonald, Don_Evans, Alex_Li, Michael_Cooper, Bengt_Farre, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Tim_Boland, Roberto_Ellero (muted), Christophe_Strobbe,
- 20:22:03 [Zakim]
- ... Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, Cynthia_Shelly
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- q?
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- ack me
- 20:24:13 [Zakim]
- MichaelC_IAD, you wanted to say (via IRC only) my major concern with the B proposals is there aren't parallels for AA and AAA
- 20:24:30 [Loretta]
- q+
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- q-
- 20:26:55 [David]
- zakim, who's making noise?
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- q+
- 20:27:10 [Zakim]
- David, listening for 14 seconds I heard sound from the following: Tim_Boland (3%), Gregg_and_Ben (100%)
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- zakim, mute Tim_Boland
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- Tim_Boland should now be muted
- 20:27:59 [Loretta]
- q+
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- ack g
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- ack l
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- q+
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- ack da
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- ack d
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- q+
- 20:36:01 [Andi]
- q+
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- ack l
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- ack l
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- ack a
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- q+
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- zakim, unmute Tim_boland
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- Tim_Boland should no longer be muted
- 20:41:20 [Gregg]
- ack t
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- ack da
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- ack don
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- ack cynthia
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- q+
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- Q+
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- q+
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- ack l
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- ack g
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- q+
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- q-
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- q-
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- Resolution: Accept #3 proposal as written on Partical conformance
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- s/Partical/
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- Topic: 1283
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- ack john
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- q+
- 21:00:43 [MichaelC_IAD]
- q+ to say (in IRC) that at L1 we should provide basic access, and at L2 look towards providing a more equivalent experience
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- +Katie_Haritos-Shea
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- ack l
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- -Cynthia_Shelly
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- q+
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- q+
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- Q+
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- +??P1
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- ack mich
- 21:10:18 [Zakim]
- MichaelC_IAD, you wanted to say (in IRC) that at L1 we should provide basic access, and at L2 look towards providing a more equivalent experience
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- q-
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- ack david
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- q+
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- ack g
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- zakim, mute Tim_ Boland
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- I don't understand 'mute Tim_ Boland', David
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- q+
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- q+
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- ack l
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- zakim, ??P1 is Cynthia_Shelly
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- +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
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- q?
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- ack ??P1
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- zakim, mute Tim_Boland
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- Tim_Boland should now be muted
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- ack m
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- ack b
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- q+ to say I agree with movies vs books issue, but still feel it's difference between L1 and L2
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- michael
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- ack m
- 21:22:10 [Zakim]
- MichaelC_IAD, you wanted to say I agree with movies vs books issue, but still feel it's difference between L1 and L2
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- +Sean_Hayes
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- ack d
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- ack john
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- q+
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- ack l
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- Sean has joined
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- +q
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- ack d
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- ack sean
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- q+
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- q-
- 21:40:03 [David]
- Resolution: accept 1283, 1382 as proposed
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 2 closed
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- I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 1. Announcements, Questions, and Updates [from ben]
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- zakim, close agendum 1
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- agendum 1, Announcements, Questions, and Updates, closed
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- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 3. Team B Survey for 5 April 2007 [from ben]
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- zakim, take up agendum 3
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- agendum 3. "Team B Survey for 5 April 2007" taken up [from ben]
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- -John_Slatin
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- -Don_Evans
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- -Tim_Boland
- 21:42:18 [David]
- Resolution: Accept LC-628, LC-942, LC-1053: Level of SC 2.4.6
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- q+
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- ack l
- 21:54:11 [David]
- Topic: LC-608: captions and supplementary multi-media
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- -Christophe_Strobbe
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- +Christophe_Strobbe
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- Resolution: accept 608 as amended
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- Topic: 865
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- -Michael_Cooper
- 22:06:05 [Loretta]
- WCAG is a set of guidelines for general use pages. WCAG 2 has been written assumping that authors can produce a single version of the content that could be made accessible to everyone, although assistive technology may be needed to transform the content into an appropriate rendering. Because of the danger of excluding people with multiple disabilities, the working group has been reluctant to...
- 22:06:06 [Loretta]
- We agree that there should be an activity that focuses on how to create pages just for people with learning disabilities. That is beyond the scope of WCAG itself. But we hope that related activities can develop techniques for content designed specifically for people with different cognitive, learning, and language disabilities. This would be important to determining whether we can achieve a...
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- ...require multiple versions of content targeted to different audiences. We are also concerned about the privacy issues involved in requiring people to self declare disabilities in order to get suitably tailored output. The guidelines permit alternate versions of web pages, but do not require them.
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- ...single version of content that is accessible to all, or whether multiple versions of content would be needed.
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- s/assumping/assuming
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- -Katie_Haritos-Shea
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- -Roberto_Ellero
- 22:11:32 [David]
- Resolution: Accept 865 as amended
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- -Bengt_Farre
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- s/Accept 865 as amended/LC-865: alternate SC for people with learning disabilities, as amended
- 22:13:58 [Loretta]
- We have attempted to make our processes and documents more accessible, but recognize that they have a long way to go. We have limited tools and resources and are open to specific suggestions for improvement.
- 22:14:16 [David]
- Topic: LC-877: accessibility of WCAG processes
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- Resolution: accept 877 accessibility of WCAG processes as amended
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- Resolution: accept LC-878: British Standards Institute submission, as amended
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- Topic: LC-1085 LC-1085, LC-1237, LC-1286: Wording and level of SC 1.4.2
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- Resolution: accept >Topic: LC-1085 LC-1085, LC-1237, LC-1286: Wording and level of SC 1.4.2, as amended
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- s/amended/adding back in 3 seconds and moving to level 1
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- s/as/as amended
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- -Cynthia_Shelly
- 22:31:01 [David]
- Topic: LC-840: General concern about Principle 3
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- Resolution: accept 840 (General concern about Principle 3) as amended
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- Topic: Advisory Technique for GL 3.1: illustrating content
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- Using images, illustrations, video, audio, or symbols to illustrate content.
- 22:33:59 [David]
- Resolution: add an advisory technique for GL 3.1, Using images, illustrations, video, audio, or symbols to clarify meaning.
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- Topic: Advisory Technique for GL 3.1: provide examples
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- Resolution: accept advsory technique for for GL 3.1: provide examples
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- s/advsory/advisory
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- Topic: Advisory Technique for GL 3.1: justified text
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- Resolution: Add an advisory technique: Avoiding text that is fully justified (to both left and right margins) in a way that causes poor spacing between words or characters
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- Topic: Advisory Technique for GL 3.1 and SC 1.3.3: left-justified text
- 22:43:27 [David]
- Resolution: Add as an advisory technique to GL 3.1 and SC 1.3.3: Using left-justified text for languages that are written left to right.
- 22:43:55 [David]
- Topic: Advisory Technique for GL 3.1 and SC 1.3.3: right-justified text
- 22:45:03 [David]
- Resolution: Add as an advisory technique to GL 3.1 and SC 1.3.3: Using appropriate justification for languages that are written right-to-left.
- 22:45:51 [David]
- Topic: Advisory Technique for GL 3.1: column width
- 22:47:49 [David]
- Resolution: Add as an advisory technique to GL 3.1: Limiting text column width.
- 22:51:40 [David]
- Resolution: not accept the advisory technique to GL 3.1: Using a san-serif font
- 22:52:59 [David]
- Resolution:Add as an advisory technique to GL 3.1, SC 1.4.1, SC 1.4.4: Using a light pastel background rather than a white background behind black text.
- 22:57:01 [David]
- Resolution: Add as an advisory technique to GL 3.1: Highlighting a link or control when the mouse hovers over it.
- 23:04:45 [David]
- Resolution: Add as an advisory technique to GL 3.1: Avoiding the use of unique interface controls unnecessarily
- 23:06:15 [Loretta]
- Canwe finish this survey, pick up the unanimous consent items, then stop?
- 23:06:29 [Loretta]
- One more question after this one on this survey.
- 23:07:22 [Christophe]
- The BIENE version I'm referring to says: check if upper and lower case are used according to the rules of orthography.
- 23:08:46 [ben]
- RRSAgent, pointer?
- 23:08:46 [RRSAgent]
- See http://www.w3.org/2007/04/12-wai-wcag-irc#T23-08-46
- 23:09:00 [ben]
- RRSAgent, make log world
- 23:10:05 [David]
- Resolution: Resolution: Add as an advisory technique to GL 3.1: Using upper and lower case according to the spelling rules of the text language.
- 23:10:49 [David]
- Resolution: Add as an advisory technique to GL 3.1: Avoiding unusual foreign words.
- 23:13:08 [David]
- s/words/words. Note: that we will define unusual
- 23:13:36 [David]
- Resolution: accepted unanimous 1250, 1032, 1031, 1129, 528, 958, 818 as is
- 23:15:22 [David]
- Resolution: accept 1247 by unanimous consent
- 23:20:02 [Loretta]
- Andi, I wish we had reached your proposal about AsCT.
- 23:20:48 [Zakim]
- -Andi_Snow_Weaver
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- -Alex_Li
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- -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- -David_MacDonald
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- -Gregg_and_Ben
- 23:20:56 [Zakim]
- -Sean_Hayes
- 23:20:59 [Zakim]
- -Christophe_Strobbe
- 23:21:00 [Zakim]
- WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended
- 23:21:02 [Zakim]
- Attendees were John_Slatin, David_MacDonald, +1.443.415.aaaa, Alex_Li, Michael_Cooper, [IPcaller], Andi_Snow_Weaver, Bengt_Farre, Roberto_Ellero, Christophe_Strobbe,
- 23:21:04 [ben]
- Present: John_Slatin, David_MacDonald, Don_Evans, Alex_Li, Michael_Cooper, Bengt_Farre, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Tim_Boland, Roberto_Ellero, Christophe_Strobbe, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, Cynthia_Shelly, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Sean_Hayes
- 23:21:05 [Zakim]
- ... Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, Tim_Boland, Bruce_Bailey, Cynthia_Shelly, Don_Evans, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Sean_Hayes
- 23:21:11 [ben]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 3 closed
- 23:21:12 [Zakim]
- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 23:21:13 [Zakim]
- 4. Team C Proposals for 12 April 2007 [from ben]
- 23:21:58 [ben]
- Present+ Andi_Snow-Weaver
- 23:22:42 [ben]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 23:22:42 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items