IRC log of ua on 2007-04-12

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zakim, make logs public
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I don't understand 'make logs public', AllanJ
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rrsagent, make logs public
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meeting: User Agent Teleconference for April 12 2007
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Chair: Jim Allan
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Scribe: Jim Allan
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zakim, [ibm] is cklaws
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+cklaws; got it
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Topic: Review Aciotn items
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1c. More clearly identify who benefits from accessible user agents.
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suggestion change to "Identify who benefits from accessible user agents. "
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All: change is fine.
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Action: JA change 1c to reflect wording change
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1e. Address author responsibilities when creating content vs. UA functionality (repair and control functions)
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reviewed WCAG 2 and UAAG (intersection)
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cl: browser exposes information to accessibility api...if author provided it.
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...if author does not provide appropriate information (alt, label), then browser or AT must repair (find some information)
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change to: 1e. Address author responsibilities when creating content and UA functionality when author is irresponsible (need to word smith)
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cl: aside - ajax, dojo techniques make extensive use of style sheets. may need change requirement of being functional without stylesheets.
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ja: style sheet conflict issues, user not allowed to turn off style sheets?
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cl: must take low vision users into account, what about user stylesheet
18:21:19 [AllanJ] many are actually used. have to be very technical to even create one.
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cl: problem with explict requirement for being able to turn off style sheets.
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ja: don't think most users have own style sheet. this has fallen to the author to create multiple styles and allow user to choose between them, also authors have taken control of font size changing rather than letting the user use the UA functionality
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action: JA change language for 1e
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topic: Review requirements document
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cl: what things should a user be allowed or not allowed to do
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ja: such as using personal style sheet that will break ajax applications
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cl: changing styles is ok for static web pages but not for web applications
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cl: UAAG responsiblity for keyboard access to elements with event handlers, but with web apps, the UA can't know, it is up to the author
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...mouseover, currently UAAG says UA should provide keyboard access
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cl: should be posting these items to x-tech or pf list for input
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ja: conformance:
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Jan sugeest combining 2a and 2b as follows
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Consider modularizing the UAAG 2.0 document such that "basic" browser
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capabilities are clear (i.e. features for people needing some
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accessibility support, but who do not use assistive technologies), while
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also addressing voice browsers, speech input, etc. that while important
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might be implemented by assistive technologies or browser extensions
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ja: conformance model (core, core + extensions, core + AT, core + extensions + AT)
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cl: baseline, see wcag
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ja: need to review atag to see if they have a baseline
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cl: UAAG will probably need a base line
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cl: change conformance to include baseline, such that a claim declares which technologies (browser + extension + AT) are required to meet specific requirements
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specific requirements = UAAG requirements
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cl: could also include technology in items 3 a, b, c. conformance would declare SVG etc.
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Attendees were Jim_Allan, cklaws
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zakim, make minutes
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I don't understand 'make minutes', AllanJ
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate AllanJ
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zakim, help
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Please refer to for more detailed help.
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Some of the commands I know are:
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xxx is yyy - establish yyy as the name of unknown party xxx
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if yyy is 'me' or 'I', your nick is substituted
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xxx may be yyy - establish yyy as possibly the name of unknown party xxx
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I am xxx - establish your nick as the name of unknown party xxx
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xxx holds yyy [, zzz ...] - establish xxx as a group name and yyy, etc. as participants within that group
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xxx also holds yyy - add yyy to the list of participants in group xxx
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who's here? - lists the participants on the phone
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who's muted? - lists the participants who are muted
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mute xxx - mutes party xxx (like pressing 61#)
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unmute xxx - reverses the effect of "mute" and of 61#
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is xxx here? - reports whether a party named like xxx is present
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list conferences - reports the active conferences
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this is xxx - associates this channel with conference xxx
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excuse us - disconnects from the irc channel
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I last learned something new on $Date: 2007/03/29 01:28:43 $
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rrsagent, help
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rrsagent, bookmark
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zakim, bye
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 2 open action items saved in :
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ACTION: JA change 1c to reflect wording change [1]
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recorded in
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ACTION: JA change language for 1e [2]
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recorded in