IRC log of ua on 2007-04-12
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- zakim, make logs public
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- I don't understand 'make logs public', AllanJ
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- meeting: User Agent Teleconference for April 12 2007
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- Chair: Jim Allan
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- Scribe: Jim Allan
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2007AprJun/0003.html
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- WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has now started
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- +Jim_Allan
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- +[IBM]
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- zakim, [ibm] is cklaws
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- +cklaws; got it
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- Topic: Review Aciotn items
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- 1c. More clearly identify who benefits from accessible user agents.
- 18:05:25 [AllanJ]
- suggestion change to "Identify who benefits from accessible user agents. "
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- All: change is fine.
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- Action: JA change 1c to reflect wording change
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- 1e. Address author responsibilities when creating content vs. UA functionality (repair and control functions)
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- reviewed WCAG 2 and UAAG (intersection)
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- cl: browser exposes information to accessibility api...if author provided it.
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- ...if author does not provide appropriate information (alt, label), then browser or AT must repair (find some information)
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- change to: 1e. Address author responsibilities when creating content and UA functionality when author is irresponsible (need to word smith)
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- cl: aside - ajax, dojo techniques make extensive use of style sheets. may need change requirement of being functional without stylesheets.
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- ja: style sheet conflict issues, user not allowed to turn off style sheets?
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- cl: must take low vision users into account, what about user stylesheet
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- ...how many are actually used. have to be very technical to even create one.
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- cl: problem with explict requirement for being able to turn off style sheets.
- 18:26:41 [AllanJ]
- ja: don't think most users have own style sheet. this has fallen to the author to create multiple styles and allow user to choose between them, also authors have taken control of font size changing rather than letting the user use the UA functionality
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- action: JA change language for 1e
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- topic: Review requirements document
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- cl: what things should a user be allowed or not allowed to do
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- ja: such as using personal style sheet that will break ajax applications
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- cl: changing styles is ok for static web pages but not for web applications
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- cl: UAAG responsiblity for keyboard access to elements with event handlers, but with web apps, the UA can't know, it is up to the author
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- ...mouseover, currently UAAG says UA should provide keyboard access
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- cl: should be posting these items to x-tech or pf list for input
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- ja: conformance:
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- Jan sugeest combining 2a and 2b as follows
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- Consider modularizing the UAAG 2.0 document such that "basic" browser
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- capabilities are clear (i.e. features for people needing some
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- accessibility support, but who do not use assistive technologies), while
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- also addressing voice browsers, speech input, etc. that while important
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- might be implemented by assistive technologies or browser extensions
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- ja: conformance model (core, core + extensions, core + AT, core + extensions + AT)
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- cl: baseline, see wcag
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- ja: need to review atag to see if they have a baseline
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- cl: UAAG will probably need a base line
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- cl: change conformance to include baseline, such that a claim declares which technologies (browser + extension + AT) are required to meet specific requirements
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- specific requirements = UAAG requirements
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- cl: could also include technology in items 3 a, b, c. conformance would declare SVG etc.
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- -Jim_Allan
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- -cklaws
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- WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were Jim_Allan, cklaws
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- zakim, make minutes
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- I don't understand 'make minutes', AllanJ
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/12-ua-minutes.html AllanJ
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- I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/12-ua-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: JA change 1c to reflect wording change [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/12-ua-irc#T18-07-34
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- ACTION: JA change language for 1e [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/12-ua-irc#T18-27-46