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15:58:34 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #mmsem
15:58:43 <mhausenblas> zakim, list conferences 
15:58:43 <Zakim> I see XML_PMWG()11:00AM, INC_MMSEM()12:00PM, DIG_TAMI()11:00AM, WS_DescWG()11:00AM, WAI_PFWG(F2F)8:30AM, SW_(SCIAM)11:00AM active
15:58:45 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are I18N_Core_WG(WS-I18N)11:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, WAI_Team()10:45AM, GA_WebCGM()11:00AM, SYMM_TTWG()12:00PM, Style_XSL WG()12:00PM
15:58:59 <mhausenblas> zakim, this will be INC_MMSEM()
15:58:59 <Zakim> ok, mhausenblas, I see INC_MMSEM()12:00PM already started
15:59:04 <Zakim> +Thomas_Franz
15:59:37 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
15:59:59 <mhausenblas> zakim, who is on the call?
15:59:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see +49.861.209.aaaa, Thomas_Franz, mhausenblas
16:00:21 <TobiasBuerger> Zakim, aaaa is me
16:00:21 <Zakim> +TobiasBuerger; got it
16:00:24 <Zakim> +Chris_Halaschek-Wiener
16:00:45 <mhausenblas> Meeting: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 12-04-2007, 17:00 UTC 
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16:00:55 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Apr/0039.html
16:01:25 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:01:35 <Zakim> +Zeljko
16:01:37 <mhausenblas> Regrets: Pasquale_Popolizio, Giovanni_Tummarello 
16:01:40 <rellero> Zakim, [IPcaller] is rellero
16:01:40 <Zakim> +rellero; got it
16:02:01 <mhausenblas> present+ Tobias_Bürger
16:02:10 <Zakim> +Jeff_Pan
16:02:17 <mhausenblas> present+ Christian_Halaschek-Wiener
16:02:40 <mhausenblas> present+ +Jeff_Pan
16:02:50 <JeffP> zakim, who is here?
16:02:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see TobiasBuerger, Thomas_Franz, mhausenblas, Chris_Halaschek-Wiener, rellero, Zeljko, Jeff_Pan
16:02:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see JeffP, zeljko, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas, chalaschek, chrisa, ThomasFranz, TobiasBuerger, rellero
16:02:58 <Melli> Melli has joined #mmsem
16:03:06 <mhausenblas> present+ Zeljko_Obrenovic
16:03:33 <mhausenblas> present+ Thomas_Franz
16:03:52 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aabb
16:03:58 <mhausenblas> present+ Roberto_Ellero
16:04:07 <mhausenblas> present+ Melliyal_Annamalai
16:04:31 <mhausenblas> zakim, aabb is Melli
16:04:31 <Zakim> +Melli; got it
16:05:43 <Zakim> +Chris_Erik_Gaetan
16:05:55 <Zakim> +??P42
16:05:58 <mhausenblas> present+ Erik_Mannens
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16:06:37 <mhausenblas> zakim, p42 is vassilis
16:06:37 <Zakim> sorry, mhausenblas, I do not recognize a party named 'p42'
16:07:12 <JeffP> zakim, ?P42 is vassilis
16:07:12 <Zakim> sorry, JeffP, I do not recognize a party named '?P42'
16:07:12 <vassilis> zakim, p42 is vassilis
16:07:13 <Zakim> sorry, vassilis, I do not recognize a party named 'p42'
16:07:41 <JeffP> zakim, +??P42 is vassilis
16:07:41 <Zakim> sorry, JeffP, I do not recognize a party named '+??P42'
16:07:59 <chrisa> no, I will participate through IRC
16:08:14 <vassilis> zakim, mute me
16:08:14 <Zakim> sorry, vassilis, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
16:08:47 <mhausenblas> Chair: Jeff
16:09:13 <mhausenblas> zakim, pick victim
16:09:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'pick victim', mhausenblas
16:09:29 <JeffP> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html
16:09:42 <JeffP> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Apr/0037.html
16:09:43 <mhausenblas> ScribeNick: mhausenblas
16:10:03 <Zakim> -??P42
16:10:18 <mhausenblas> Topic: 1. ADMIN
16:10:23 <mhausenblas> Roll call
16:10:29 <mhausenblas> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 29th March 2007 telecon:  http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html
16:10:39 <JeffP> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Apr/0037.html
16:10:51 <JeffP> more details on the future of XG
16:11:04 <chalaschek> no objections here
16:11:12 <mhausenblas> Jeff: Any objections w.r.t. extended minutes?
16:11:15 <mhausenblas> none
16:11:20 <mhausenblas> minutes accepted
16:11:26 <mhausenblas> Topic: 2. Future of the XG
16:11:31 <Zakim> -rellero
16:11:33 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Jeff and Raphael to ask W3C what will happen with wiki after the end of XG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action04]
16:11:36 <mhausenblas> -- done
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16:12:03 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Jeff and Raphael to contact W3C about extending XG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action16]
16:12:10 <mhausenblas> -- done
16:12:18 <JeffP> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Apr/0036.html
16:12:24 <Zakim> +[IVML]
16:12:51 <mhausenblas> zakim, IVML is vassilis
16:12:51 <Zakim> +vassilis; got it
16:12:57 <Zakim> +??P42
16:13:08 <vassilis> thnx michael
16:13:12 <JeffP> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/procedures.html#Duration
16:13:25 <rellero_> Zakim, +??P42 is rellero
16:13:25 <Zakim> sorry, rellero_, I do not recognize a party named '+??P42'
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16:13:56 <rellero_> Zakim, ?42 is rellero_
16:13:56 <Zakim> sorry, rellero_, I do not recognize a party named '?42'
16:14:24 <rellero_> Zakim, P42 is rellero_
16:14:24 <Zakim> sorry, rellero_, I do not recognize a party named 'P42'
16:14:37 <mhausenblas> Michael: Draft charter asap
16:15:01 <mhausenblas> zakim, ??P42 is rellero
16:15:01 <Zakim> +rellero; got it
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16:15:09 <rellero_> tx
16:15:10 <mhausenblas> present+ Raphael_Troncy
16:15:39 <mhausenblas> Jeff: It is possible to extend an XG up to one year
16:15:52 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Jeff, Raphael and Erik to ask written W3C about formal written request [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action11]
16:15:56 <mhausenblas> -- continues
16:16:17 <mhausenblas> Erik: I send the chairs a mail regarding the DIG35 spec
16:16:29 <mhausenblas> ... need a formal written request from W3C
16:16:43 <Zakim> +??P43
16:16:49 <mhausenblas> s/send/sent
16:17:06 <mhausenblas> zakim ??P43 is raphael
16:17:38 <mhausenblas> Raphael: Had a chat with Ivan H. about this issue
16:17:45 <mhausenblas> zakim, ??P43 is raphael
16:17:45 <Zakim> +raphael; got it
16:18:07 <mhausenblas> ... will report on it next time
16:19:00 <mhausenblas> Erik: Received  invitation from James S??? to join X???
16:20:35 <mhausenblas> Raphael: Erik, would you like to participate in IEEE from XG-side?
16:20:46 <raphael> s/IEEE/I3A
16:21:28 <raphael> s/S???/Payton
16:21:46 <raphael> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:21:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/12-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
16:21:52 <raphael> rrsagent, makes logs public
16:21:52 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'makes logs public', raphael.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:22:12 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public 
16:22:27 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:22:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/12-mmsem-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:22:54 <mhausenblas> Raphael: I can commit to set up a new charter
16:24:26 <mhausenblas> Jeff: How and when to organise the workshop
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16:25:41 <mhausenblas> Raphael: I think we should vote on workshop
16:26:51 <raphael> zaim, which makes noise
16:26:57 <raphael> zakim, which makes noise?
16:26:57 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, raphael.
16:27:02 <JeffP> zakim, who is talking?
16:27:14 <Zakim> JeffP, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mhausenblas (18%), Jeff_Pan (38%), raphael (5%)
16:27:38 <ThomasFranz> i here an echo, too
16:27:54 <mhausenblas> zakim, mute me
16:27:54 <Zakim> mhausenblas should now be muted
16:28:07 <raphael> Raphael disagree we *shoud* organize a workshop
16:28:12 <mhausenblas> zakim, unmute me
16:28:12 <Zakim> mhausenblas should no longer be muted
16:28:18 <raphael> where such decision has been taken? and when?
16:28:21 <raphael> where is the record ?
16:28:32 <mhausenblas> Vassilis: Shouldn't decide now
16:29:33 <mhausenblas> Raphael: Propose a formal vote on having a workshop by next telecon
16:29:43 <mhausenblas> +1
16:31:44 <mhausenblas> s/Raphael: I can commit to set up a new charter/ Raphael: I can NOT commit to set up a new charter
16:31:56 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:31:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/12-mmsem-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:32:29 <JeffP> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/charter
16:34:40 <mhausenblas> Raphael: Strongly adivse to contact the W3C rep to ask how charter should be written
16:35:59 <raphael> +1 to move on
16:36:29 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Jeff to contact W3C representative to discuss charter extension
16:36:39 <mhausenblas> Topic: 3. LINKS Pages
16:36:48 <mhausenblas> Vocabularies page, see: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Vocabularies
16:37:06 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/XGR-vocabularies/ XGR Voc
16:38:15 <mhausenblas> Michael: Plan to have it reviewabl by end of next week
16:38:32 <mhausenblas> ... can Erik please add DIG35 formalisation to Wiki?
16:38:36 <mhausenblas> Erik: Yes
16:38:46 <mhausenblas> Resources/Tools page, see: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Tools_and_Resources
16:38:52 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Zeljko to rephrase the introduction to tools classifications [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action03]
16:38:55 <mhausenblas> -- done
16:39:02 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Zeljko to rise discussion on links between tool and use cases pages [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action02]
16:39:05 <mhausenblas> -- done
16:39:48 <mhausenblas> Raphael: Now the T&R doc seems ready
16:39:56 <mhausenblas> ... could stay a living doc
16:40:22 <mhausenblas> ... any updates triggered through mailing list - thanx to Zeljko
16:40:26 <mhausenblas> ... great job
16:41:07 <mhausenblas> Topic: 4. Image Annotation on the Semantic Web Deliverable
16:41:21 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Raphael to mail to the list notification for publication [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action06]
16:41:25 <mhausenblas> -- continues
16:41:54 <mhausenblas> Raphael: Have to go through pub-rules checker
16:42:12 <mhausenblas> Topic: 5. Interoperability Deliverable
16:42:18 <mhausenblas> Topic: 5.1 Structure (Vassilis, Jeff)
16:42:52 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Jeff and Vasilis to fill 3.1 and 3.2 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action07]
16:42:58 <mhausenblas> -- continues
16:43:06 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:43:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/12-mmsem-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:44:05 <mhausenblas> Jeff: Had discussion on RDF (cf. mailing list)
16:44:33 <mhausenblas> ... plan to add a summary
16:45:04 <mhausenblas> ... e.g. based on SWBPDWG deliverables
16:45:05 <raphael> +1 but more general to address the fragment identification problem in MM ... see mailling list discussion
16:45:25 <mhausenblas> Raphael: Support your ideao for sec. 3.1
16:45:32 <mhausenblas> s/ideao/idea
16:46:09 <mhausenblas> ... and add all the various frag ID possibilities (MPEG-21, etc.)
16:46:44 <mhausenblas> s/frag/fragment
16:47:02 <mhausenblas> s/ID/identification
16:47:37 <mhausenblas> s/reviewabl/reviewable 
16:47:47 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:47:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/12-mmsem-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:48:13 <JeffP> zakim, who is talking
16:48:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', JeffP
16:48:18 <raphael> zakim, who is talking
16:48:18 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', raphael
16:48:22 <JeffP> zakim, who is talking?
16:48:33 <Zakim> JeffP, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: vassilis (15%), TobiasBuerger (38%), Jeff_Pan (29%), raphael (18%)
16:49:15 <mhausenblas> zakim, mute TobiasBuerger 
16:49:15 <Zakim> TobiasBuerger should now be muted
16:49:58 <mhausenblas> zakim, mute vassilis
16:49:58 <Zakim> vassilis should now be muted
16:50:14 <mhausenblas> zakim, unmute vassilis
16:50:14 <Zakim> vassilis should no longer be muted
16:50:26 <mhausenblas> zakim, unmute TobiasBuerger
16:50:26 <Zakim> TobiasBuerger should no longer be muted
16:53:49 <mhausenblas> Topic: 5.2 Music Use case: (Oscar)
16:54:02 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Giovanni to explain in more detail parts of the music use case, defining how to generate play lists [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action09]
16:54:06 <mhausenblas> -- continues
16:54:13 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Oscar to update a possible scenario with classical music (thanks to Ivan Herman) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/01-mmsem-minutes.html#action07]
16:54:17 <mhausenblas> -- continues
16:54:24 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Oscar to update the UC and the interop deliverable [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/01-mmsem-minutes.html#action06]
16:54:28 <mhausenblas> -- continues
16:54:35 <mhausenblas> Topic: 5.3 News Use case: (Thierry, Chris, Raphael)
16:54:48 <mhausenblas> Chris: We make progress
16:55:09 <mhausenblas> .. next week we'll have a stable version for feedback
16:55:42 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/News_Use_Case News UC
16:56:24 <mhausenblas> Raphael: We show 4 examples
16:56:52 <vassilis> sorry I have to lea because
16:56:54 <mhausenblas> ... how to reason with it
16:57:13 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Chris, Thierry and Raphael to update the UC and the interop deliverable [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-mmsem-minutes.html#action12]
16:57:16 <mhausenblas> -- continues
16:57:39 <mhausenblas> Topic: 5.4 Photo Use case: (Susanne Boll, Erik Mannens)
16:58:07 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Erik to send the URL of the DIG35 OWL Schema by the next telecon [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action12]
16:58:10 <mhausenblas> -- done
16:58:27 <mhausenblas> Raphael: Did you see my comments?
16:58:41 <mhausenblas> Erik: Yes, Now shortly - details on list
16:58:53 <mhausenblas> ... paper is planned
16:59:09 <raphael> great, I'm very enthousiastic !!!
16:59:15 <mhausenblas> ... no time for automatic conversion
16:59:30 <mhausenblas> ... when XG moves on, we plan some more work
17:00:07 <mhausenblas> Raphael: We can support you, there - will talk offline
17:00:46 <mhausenblas> Erik: Back to -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Photo_Use_Case Photo UC
17:02:02 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Raphael to contact Susanne regarding converge
17:02:20 <mhausenblas> Topic: 5.5 Tagging Use case: (George, Thomas, Raphael)
17:02:40 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Tagging_Use_Case Tagging UC
17:02:42 <raphael> s/converge/converge for a solution for the use case 
17:02:51 <mhausenblas> Thomas: no news
17:03:04 <mhausenblas> Topic: 5.6 Algorithm representation Use case: (Massimo, Suzanne, Patrizia, Ovidio)
17:03:13 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Jeff to finish a review in one week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action15]
17:03:15 <mhausenblas> -- done
17:03:39 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Vassilis to review algorithm representation UC [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action13]
17:03:42 <mhausenblas> -- continues
17:03:52 <mhausenblas> Topic: 5.7 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use case: (Ioannis, Sofia)
17:04:08 <mhausenblas> Review of Susanne Little: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Mar/0024.html
17:04:14 <mhausenblas> Review of Vassilis: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Mar/0038.html
17:04:22 <mhausenblas> Reply from Ioannis/Sofia http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Mar/0065.html
17:05:14 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Semantic_Media_Retrieval_Use_case  Semantic Multimedia Retrieval  UC
17:05:27 <mhausenblas> Vassilis: Not sure if second UC is an interop one
17:05:55 <mhausenblas> Raphael: Due to the fact that the two authors are not here, this should be done via mail
17:06:01 <mhausenblas> Topic: 6. MPEG-7 Deliverable
17:06:24 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/XGR-mpeg7/ MPEG-7 and the Semantic Web XGR
17:06:33 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Oscar, Stamatia, Raphael, Suzanne, Chrisa, Michael to have MPEG-7 deliverable ready for review by next telecon [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-mmsem-minutes.html#action20]
17:06:37 <mhausenblas> -- continues
17:06:54 <mhausenblas> Raphael: We had offline discussions about that
17:07:04 <mhausenblas> ... will have a version by next telecon
17:07:10 <mhausenblas> Topic: 7. AOB
17:08:07 <raphael> Jeff ask if people can volunteer to write the new charter
17:08:13 <raphael> Vassilis: yes of course
17:08:25 <mhausenblas> Michael: I can contribute a bit ;)
17:08:42 <Zakim> -Melli
17:08:54 <mhausenblas> Raphael: I will give feedback, for sure, but can not take over lead
17:09:19 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:09:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/12-mmsem-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:09:20 <raphael> I would be to comment
17:09:31 <ThomasFranz> bye
17:09:32 <Zakim> -vassilis
17:09:33 <Zakim> -Chris_Halaschek-Wiener
17:09:35 <Zakim> -Chris_Erik_Gaetan
17:09:37 <Zakim> -Thomas_Franz
17:09:37 <Zakim> -Zeljko
17:09:37 <mhausenblas> Jeff: Thanks all, see you in two weeks time
17:09:38 <Zakim> -Jeff_Pan
17:09:39 <Zakim> -TobiasBuerger
17:09:41 <Zakim> -raphael
17:09:45 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
17:09:52 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public 
17:10:04 <chrisa> βυε
17:10:07 <chrisa> bye
17:11:01 <JeffP> :-)
17:11:09 <chrisa> yes, that was the problem...
17:13:46 <JeffP> Many thanks michael
17:13:58 <mhausenblas> You are welcome ...
17:14:10 <zeljko> zeljko has left #mmsem
17:14:12 <mhausenblas> bye
17:14:46 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, rellero, in INC_MMSEM()12:00PM
17:14:49 <Zakim> INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has ended
17:14:51 <Zakim> Attendees were +49.861.209.aaaa, Thomas_Franz, mhausenblas, TobiasBuerger, Chris_Halaschek-Wiener, Zeljko, rellero, Jeff_Pan, +1.603.897.aabb, Melli, Chris_Erik_Gaetan, vassilis,
17:14:53 <Zakim> ... raphael
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