IRC log of forms on 2007-04-11

Timestamps are in UTC.

14:56:33 [RRSAgent]
RRSAgent has joined #forms
14:56:33 [RRSAgent]
logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-forms-irc
14:56:40 [kenneth]
kenneth has joined #forms
14:56:43 [Zakim]
Zakim has joined #forms
14:56:50 [John_Boyer]
zakim, this will be forms
14:56:50 [Zakim]
I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, John_Boyer
14:57:05 [John_Boyer]
zakim, quoi?
14:57:05 [Zakim]
I don't understand your question, John_Boyer.
14:59:34 [jturner]
hi, what's the conference code?
14:59:58 [unl]
unl has joined #forms
15:00:06 [kenneth]
zakim, what is the code?
15:00:06 [Zakim]
sorry, kenneth, I don't know what conference this is
15:00:31 [Steven]
Please use #xforms
15:00:44 [John_Boyer]
agreed.
15:00:46 [Steven]
oops no!
15:00:48 [Steven]
Sorry
15:00:49 [Steven]
confused
15:00:57 [Steven]
zakim, this will be forms
15:00:57 [Zakim]
ok, Steven; I see HTML_Forms()11:00AM scheduled to start now
15:01:07 [John_Boyer]
I said that to zakim a moment ago
15:01:09 [Steven]
rrsagent, make log public
15:01:14 [kenneth]
zakim, what is the code?
15:01:14 [Zakim]
the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), kenneth
15:01:18 [Zakim]
HTML_Forms()11:00AM has now started
15:01:23 [Zakim]
+Blake
15:01:26 [Dave]
Dave has joined #forms
15:01:31 [Dave]
zakim, code?
15:01:31 [Zakim]
the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Dave
15:01:38 [John_Boyer]
I used that code and couldn't get in?
15:02:15 [Zakim]
+jturner
15:02:19 [Zakim]
+ +6aaaa
15:02:21 [Zakim]
+Dave
15:02:25 [Zakim]
+ +49.336.293.aabb
15:02:56 [unl]
zakim, +49.336.293.aabb is me
15:02:56 [Zakim]
+unl; got it
15:03:07 [Zakim]
+kenneth
15:03:13 [Zakim]
+ +1.703.368.aacc
15:03:21 [Zakim]
+John_Boyer
15:03:58 [John_Boyer]
John_Boyer has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Apr/0005.html
15:04:10 [Steven]
zakim, dial steven-617
15:04:10 [Zakim]
ok, Steven; the call is being made
15:04:12 [Zakim]
+Steven
15:04:26 [jturner]
zakim, mute me
15:04:27 [Zakim]
jturner should now be muted
15:04:28 [John_Boyer]
Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Teleconference
15:04:37 [Zakim]
- +6aaaa
15:04:43 [Zakim]
+Raman
15:05:16 [Zakim]
+ +6aadd
15:05:22 [lars]
zakim, I am +6aaaa
15:05:22 [Zakim]
sorry, lars, I do not see a party named '+6aaaa'
15:05:24 [John_Boyer]
Scribe: kenneth
15:05:24 [lars]
zakim, I am +6aaa
15:05:24 [Zakim]
sorry, lars, I do not see a party named '+6aaa'
15:05:28 [John_Boyer]
Chair: John
15:05:31 [John_Boyer]
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Apr/0005.html
15:05:45 [lars]
zakim, I am 6aaaa
15:05:45 [Zakim]
sorry, lars, I do not see a party named '6aaaa'
15:05:58 [Steven]
zakim, aaaa is lars
15:06:00 [Zakim]
sorry, Steven, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
15:06:05 [Steven]
woh
15:06:10 [Steven]
zakim, 6 is lars
15:06:15 [Dave]
zakim, who is here?
15:06:16 [Zakim]
sorry, Steven, I do not recognize a party named '6'
15:06:24 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Blake, jturner (muted), Dave, unl, kenneth, +1.703.368.aacc, John_Boyer, Steven, Raman, +6aadd
15:06:29 [lars]
zakim, I am 6aadd
15:06:32 [John_Boyer]
Regrets: David, Rafael
15:06:33 [Zakim]
On IRC I see Dave, unl, Zakim, kenneth, RRSAgent, Blake, jturner, lars, John_Boyer, schnitz, Steven, markbirbeck
15:06:44 [schnitz]
:-)
15:06:46 [Zakim]
+??P48
15:06:52 [Zakim]
sorry, lars, I do not see a party named '6aadd'
15:06:54 [Zakim]
+Jan_Kratky
15:06:54 [Dave]
zakim, do you know r2d2?
15:06:57 [schnitz]
zakim, ??p48 is me
15:06:59 [lars]
zakim, I am +6aadd
15:07:10 [Zakim]
+Nick_van_den_Bleeken
15:07:16 [Zakim]
I don't understand your question, Dave.
15:07:16 [Nick]
Nick has joined #forms
15:07:20 [Zakim]
+schnitz; got it
15:07:24 [Zakim]
+lars; got it
15:07:27 [schnitz]
zakim, mute me
15:07:28 [lars]
\o/
15:07:30 [Zakim]
schnitz should now be muted
15:07:33 [lars]
zakim, mute me
15:07:33 [Zakim]
lars should now be muted
15:07:36 [schnitz]
zakim, thank you
15:07:36 [Zakim]
you are very welcome, schnitz
15:07:52 [Nick]
can someone change the passcode on http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/Group/
15:07:57 [SusanB]
SusanB has joined #forms
15:08:08 [Roger]
Roger has joined #forms
15:08:30 [Steven]
ok nick; in fact that page is now legacy
15:08:34 [unl]
zakim, mute me
15:08:34 [Zakim]
unl should now be muted
15:08:39 [Steven]
zakim, mute me
15:08:39 [Zakim]
Steven should now be muted
15:09:02 [DarrellD]
DarrellD has joined #forms
15:09:16 [kenneth]
john_boyer: has anyone done action items tehy want to report?
15:09:29 [kenneth]
...emberassing silence...
15:09:58 [kenneth]
john_boyer: we need to get started on action items to be in time for last call
15:10:09 [Roger]
zakim, what is the code?
15:10:09 [Zakim]
the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Roger
15:10:09 [kenneth]
john_boyer: next face to face is in new york
15:10:19 [schnitz]
zakim, unmute me
15:10:19 [Zakim]
schnitz should no longer be muted
15:10:35 [kenneth]
john_boyer: especially in light of reason comments on mailing list we need to publish 3rd edition
15:11:08 [Zakim]
+ +03491211aaee
15:11:13 [kenneth]
raman: the technical work of the group has been good but we will probably see more issues on the mailing list relating to w3c process
15:11:20 [Roger]
zakim, aaee is Roger;
15:11:20 [Zakim]
+Roger;; got it
15:11:23 [schnitz]
zakim, mute me
15:11:23 [Zakim]
schnitz should now be muted
15:11:26 [Zakim]
+[IBM]
15:11:32 [Roger]
zakim, mute me;
15:11:32 [Zakim]
sorry, Roger, I do not know which phone connection belongs to me;
15:11:57 [Charlie2]
Charlie2 has joined #forms
15:12:01 [Zakim]
+MarkB
15:12:03 [kenneth]
raman: we need to answer on public list even if we do not agree
15:12:05 [Charlie2]
sorry i'm late
15:12:13 [markbirbeck]
ditto
15:12:14 [Zakim]
+Darrell_Dykstra
15:12:29 [Steven]
ack me
15:12:34 [kenneth]
john_boyer: 1.1 last call deadline has been extended to the end of april, 2007
15:13:08 [kenneth]
steven: the issue tracking system has been updated to more closely match the w3c process
15:13:27 [John_Boyer]
http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/
15:13:30 [kenneth]
steven: the new and improved version is also easier to style
15:13:39 [Steven]
zakim, mute me
15:13:39 [Zakim]
Steven should now be muted
15:13:57 [Steven]
ack me
15:14:03 [kenneth]
john_boyer: can we change the name from xforms working group to forms working group
15:14:10 [kenneth]
steven: yes, it is trivial.
15:14:26 [kenneth]
action: steven to ask shane to change name of working group in issue tracking system
15:14:46 [Steven]
schnitz?
15:14:53 [schnitz]
mom
15:15:28 [kenneth]
steven: to log in to issue tracking, contact shane to get a login
15:16:11 [kenneth]
steven: to get a login ask on email: shane@aptest.com
15:16:19 [kenneth]
steven: mention you are from forms WG
15:17:48 [kenneth]
john_boyer: you can start using the system as user guest, already
15:19:05 [kenneth]
Xforms transitional: nothing to report this week
15:19:14 [kenneth]
backplane.
15:19:14 [David_Landwehr]
David_Landwehr has joined #forms
15:19:50 [John_Boyer]
zakim, who is here?
15:19:50 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Blake, jturner (muted), Dave, unl (muted), kenneth, +1.703.368.aacc, John_Boyer, Steven, Raman, lars (muted), schnitz (muted), Jan_Kratky, Nick_van_den_Bleeken
15:19:54 [Zakim]
... (muted), Roger;, [IBM], MarkB, Darrell_Dykstra
15:19:55 [Zakim]
On IRC I see David_Landwehr, Charlie2, Darrell, Roger, SusanB, Nick, Dave, unl, Zakim, kenneth, RRSAgent, Blake, jturner, lars, John_Boyer, schnitz, Steven, markbirbeck
15:20:13 [kenneth]
charlie: we are waiting for the patent working group, otherwise we are ready to go
15:20:39 [kenneth]
charlie: the sign up page for new york f2f is ready
15:21:03 [kenneth]
steven: i dont know exactly where we put it yet, as there are potential private information
15:21:11 [Steven]
ACTION: Steven to install new FtF page
15:21:11 [kenneth]
steven: i will get back on that
15:21:37 [kenneth]
Xforms conference at XML conference.
15:21:54 [kenneth]
john_boyer: i will sent an email out today about that.
15:22:07 [jan]
jan has joined #forms
15:22:25 [kenneth]
john_boyer: anyone having public examples of xforms?
15:22:37 [John_Boyer]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Apr/0019.html
15:22:56 [Nick]
bcc?
15:23:33 [kenneth]
john_boyer: why does an email to www-forms-editor goto www-forms archive?
15:23:43 [kenneth]
....: maybe it was bcc....
15:24:40 [kenneth]
raman: i dont think its a glitch in the system
15:24:54 [kenneth]
raman: the mails are on the intended mailing lists
15:27:29 [kenneth]
john_boyer: i believe the issues addressed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Apr/0019.html has been carefully done by the WG
15:28:00 [schnitz]
zakim, unmute me
15:28:00 [Zakim]
schnitz should no longer be muted
15:28:05 [Zakim]
-Raman
15:28:34 [kenneth]
john_boyer: last call issues:
15:28:45 [John_Boyer]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Feb/
15:29:36 [kenneth]
john: everything arrived after the publication date or near the piublication date should be entered as last call issues
15:29:53 [kenneth]
john: and then people will get action items to answer to these issues
15:30:04 [kenneth]
john: does this sound like a good idea?
15:30:09 [kenneth]
........
15:30:18 [kenneth]
john: okay, so we will do it like that!
15:30:37 [John_Boyer]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Feb/0005.html
15:31:30 [kenneth]
steven: this is not really a last call issue, but anyway we already replied so it is handled
15:31:43 [kenneth]
john: do we need to record it as a last call comment?
15:32:03 [kenneth]
steven & sebastian: I dont think so.
15:32:39 [kenneth]
steven: we replied and he did not have additional comments, so end-of-issue.
15:32:50 [John_Boyer]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/
15:32:50 [kenneth]
john: february done!
15:33:01 [John_Boyer]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0000.html
15:34:10 [jturner]
yes
15:34:21 [kenneth]
john: it must be entered as a last call issue. the group already agreed to it.
15:34:40 [kenneth]
john: do we need to reply what we did to the spec. or do we just reply "we agree" ?
15:34:53 [kenneth]
steven: it is enough to reply: "we agree".
15:35:23 [kenneth]
steven: we may also point them to the revised specification.
15:35:46 [kenneth]
steven: but we do not need to make detailed description of what we will do in the reply.
15:36:10 [kenneth]
steven: also, remember, that all versions of our spec. is now public.
15:37:58 [schnitz]
zakim, mute me
15:37:58 [Zakim]
schnitz should now be muted
15:40:23 [schnitz]
zakim, unmute me
15:40:23 [Zakim]
schnitz should no longer be muted
15:43:14 [John_Boyer]
28xforms-issues@mn.aptest.com <mailto:xforms-issues@mn.aptest.com?Subject=Re%3A%20Telecon%20Agenda%20-%20April%2011%2C%202007&In-Reply-To=%253COF35DB690A.2476813E-ON882572BA.00174810-882572BA.0017826C%40ca.ibm.com%253E&References=%253COF35DB690A.2476813E-ON882572BA.00174810-882572BA.0017826C%40ca.ibm.com%253E>
15:44:03 [schnitz]
zakim, mute me
15:44:03 [Zakim]
schnitz should now be muted
15:44:40 [John_Boyer]
28http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0001.html
15:46:18 [kenneth]
john:; do anyone disagree to this resolution ?
15:46:30 [schnitz]
zakim, who is making noise?
15:46:31 [kenneth]
no one voices objection....
15:46:41 [Zakim]
schnitz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: John_Boyer (10%)
15:47:10 [schnitz]
zakim, unmute me
15:47:10 [Zakim]
schnitz should no longer be muted
15:47:21 [John_Boyer]
28http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0002.html
15:47:27 [schnitz]
zakim, who is making noise?
15:47:37 [Zakim]
schnitz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 16 (46%), John_Boyer (57%), schnitz (5%), Roger; (24%)
15:47:54 [schnitz]
zakim, mute roger
15:47:54 [Zakim]
Roger; should now be muted
15:48:05 [schnitz]
zakim, who is 16?
15:48:05 [Zakim]
I don't understand your question, schnitz.
15:48:47 [kenneth]
john: how do we respond to this lastcall issue?
15:48:48 [Roger]
Roger has joined #forms
15:49:14 [kenneth]
sebastian: i believe the resolution was we need to ask the CDF WG
15:49:16 [lars]
zakim, unmute me
15:49:16 [Zakim]
lars should no longer be muted
15:49:46 [schnitz]
zakim, mute me
15:49:48 [Zakim]
schnitz should now be muted
15:49:55 [kenneth]
lars: I already contacted some from CDF and I posted the reply.
15:50:09 [kenneth]
lars: they said we wat to do that but we are not quite there yet
15:50:24 [kenneth]
john: so we need remove this capability from our vocabulary?
15:50:25 [schnitz]
zakim, unmute me
15:50:25 [Zakim]
schnitz should no longer be muted
15:50:28 [kenneth]
lars: yes
15:50:29 [Steven]
s/wat/want/
15:52:17 [schnitz]
zakim, mute me
15:52:17 [Zakim]
schnitz should now be muted
15:52:34 [John_Boyer]
28http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Feb/0027.html
15:52:39 [Zakim]
-Darrell_Dykstra
15:53:26 [kenneth]
john: essential this is , what happens when we delete the context node - for instance in a sequence of actions
15:56:22 [kenneth]
john: I believe we do not say anything about what to do when there are no context node?
15:56:42 [schnitz]
zakim, unmute me
15:56:42 [Zakim]
schnitz should no longer be muted
15:57:04 [jturner]
zakim, unmute me
15:57:04 [Zakim]
jturner should no longer be muted
15:57:15 [kenneth]
john: what does the implementors do?
15:57:23 [kenneth]
kenneth: we do a no-operation
15:57:54 [Roger]
I think is the same case if the nodeset doesnŽt exist
15:57:59 [kenneth]
joern: i think its a no operation
15:58:32 [Roger]
weŽll check it.
15:58:38 [kenneth]
john: can implementors sent a note to the list about what they do ?
15:59:11 [SusanB]
i'll check
15:59:12 [kenneth]
john: if everybody has interpreted as a no-op maybe we can get some language into the spec. describing that behavior.
15:59:54 [Roger]
Many thanks & bye
15:59:54 [kenneth]
john: top-of-the-hour....
15:59:57 [Zakim]
-Steven
15:59:57 [Blake]
bye
15:59:58 [jturner]
zakim, mute me
15:59:58 [Zakim]
jturner should now be muted
15:59:59 [Zakim]
-Dave
16:00:01 [jturner]
bye
16:00:02 [Zakim]
-MarkB
16:00:02 [Roger]
Roger has left #forms
16:00:04 [Zakim]
-Jan_Kratky
16:00:06 [Zakim]
-lars
16:00:07 [Zakim]
-Nick_van_den_Bleeken
16:00:08 [lars]
lars has left #forms
16:00:08 [Zakim]
-unl
16:00:12 [Zakim]
-[IBM]
16:00:14 [Zakim]
-Blake
16:00:16 [Zakim]
-John_Boyer
16:00:20 [Zakim]
-schnitz
16:00:20 [Blake]
Blake has left #forms
16:00:22 [Nick]
sorry my batery of my laptop died
16:00:26 [Zakim]
-kenneth
16:00:28 [Zakim]
-Roger;
16:00:32 [Zakim]
-jturner
16:00:32 [unl]
unl has left #forms
16:00:37 [Nick]
and I couldn't unmute myself
16:00:51 [Steven]
zakim, who is here?
16:00:51 [Zakim]
On the phone I see +1.703.368.aacc
16:00:54 [Zakim]
On IRC I see David_Landwehr, Charlie2, Nick, Dave, Zakim, kenneth, RRSAgent, jturner, John_Boyer, Steven, markbirbeck
16:01:03 [Steven]
zakim, drop aacc
16:01:05 [Zakim]
+1.703.368.aacc is being disconnected
16:01:07 [Zakim]
HTML_Forms()11:00AM has ended
16:01:09 [Zakim]
Attendees were Blake, jturner, +6aaaa, Dave, unl, kenneth, +1.703.368.aacc, John_Boyer, Steven, Raman, +6aadd, Jan_Kratky, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, schnitz, lars, +03491211aaee,
16:01:14 [Zakim]
... Roger;, [IBM], MarkB, Darrell_Dykstra
16:01:16 [Steven]
rrsagent, make minutes
16:01:16 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-forms-minutes.html Steven
16:01:33 [John_Boyer]
28Thanks, steven!
16:01:42 [Steven]
np
16:02:06 [Steven]
oops, no topics
16:02:31 [John_Boyer]
28rrsagent, bye
16:02:45 [John_Boyer]
28rrsagent, bye
16:02:49 [John_Boyer]
28grrh
16:02:56 [Steven]
no wait
16:03:01 [Steven]
rrsagent, help
16:03:46 [John_Boyer]
28I have to go, Steven. My lousy chat program is in a funk. Can you tell rrsagent to go away?
16:03:55 [Steven]
I'll deal with it
16:04:00 [John_Boyer]
28thank you.
16:04:04 [John_Boyer]
John_Boyer has left #forms
16:08:41 [Steven]
i/john_boyer: has anyone done /Topic: Action items/
16:09:37 [Steven]
i/10 01Steven: the issue tracking system /Topic: Issue tracking/
16:09:41 [Steven]
rrsagent, make minutes
16:09:41 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-forms-minutes.html Steven
16:10:51 [Steven]
i/Steven: the issue tracking system /Topic: Issue tracking/
16:10:57 [Steven]
rrsagent, make minutes
16:10:57 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-forms-minutes.html Steven
18:01:29 [Zakim]
Zakim has left #forms
18:37:08 [Steven]
i/10 01Steven: the issue tracking system /Topic: Issue tracking/
18:37:51 [Steven]
i/Xforms transitional: /Topic: XForms Transitional/
18:38:25 [Steven]
s/backplane./Topic: Backplane/
18:39:33 [Steven]
i/charlie: the sign up page for new york f2f is ready/Topic: FtF/
18:40:10 [Steven]
s/Xforms conference at XML conference./Topic: Xforms conference at XML conference/
18:49:57 [Steven]
rrsagent, make minutes
18:49:57 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-forms-minutes.html Steven
18:52:29 [Steven]
i/http:..lists.w3.org.Archives.Public.www-forms.2007Apr.0019.html/Topic: Issues/
18:52:54 [Steven]
rrsagent, make minutes
18:52:54 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-forms-minutes.html Steven
18:54:43 [Steven]
i/http:\/\/lists.w3.org\/Archives\/Public\/www-forms\/2007Apr\/0019.html/Topic: Issues/
18:54:48 [Steven]
rrsagent, make minutes
18:54:48 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-forms-minutes.html Steven
18:55:46 [Steven]
i|http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Apr/0019.html|Topic: Issues
18:55:51 [Steven]
rrsagent, make minutes
18:55:51 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-forms-minutes.html Steven