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14:56:50 <John_Boyer> zakim, this will be forms
14:56:50 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, John_Boyer
14:57:05 <John_Boyer> zakim, quoi?
14:57:05 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, John_Boyer.
14:59:34 <jturner> hi, what's the conference code?
14:59:58 <unl> unl has joined #forms
15:00:06 <kenneth> zakim, what is the code?
15:00:06 <Zakim> sorry, kenneth, I don't know what conference this is
15:00:31 <Steven> Please use #xforms
15:00:44 <John_Boyer> agreed.
15:00:46 <Steven> oops no!
15:00:48 <Steven> Sorry
15:00:49 <Steven> confused
15:00:57 <Steven> zakim, this will be forms
15:00:57 <Zakim> ok, Steven; I see HTML_Forms()11:00AM scheduled to start now
15:01:07 <John_Boyer> I said that to zakim a moment ago
15:01:09 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
15:01:14 <kenneth> zakim, what is the code?
15:01:14 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), kenneth
15:01:18 <Zakim> HTML_Forms()11:00AM has now started
15:01:23 <Zakim> +Blake
15:01:26 <Dave> Dave has joined #forms
15:01:31 <Dave> zakim, code?
15:01:31 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Dave
15:01:38 <John_Boyer> I used that code and couldn't get in?
15:02:15 <Zakim> +jturner
15:02:19 <Zakim> + +6aaaa
15:02:21 <Zakim> +Dave
15:02:25 <Zakim> + +49.336.293.aabb
15:02:56 <unl> zakim, +49.336.293.aabb is me
15:02:56 <Zakim> +unl; got it
15:03:07 <Zakim> +kenneth
15:03:13 <Zakim> + +1.703.368.aacc
15:03:21 <Zakim> +John_Boyer
15:03:58 <John_Boyer> John_Boyer has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Apr/0005.html
15:04:10 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
15:04:10 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
15:04:12 <Zakim> +Steven
15:04:26 <jturner> zakim, mute me
15:04:27 <Zakim> jturner should now be muted
15:04:28 <John_Boyer> Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Teleconference
15:04:37 <Zakim> - +6aaaa
15:04:43 <Zakim> +Raman
15:05:16 <Zakim> + +6aadd
15:05:22 <lars> zakim, I am +6aaaa
15:05:22 <Zakim> sorry, lars, I do not see a party named '+6aaaa'
15:05:24 <John_Boyer> Scribe: kenneth
15:05:24 <lars> zakim, I am +6aaa
15:05:24 <Zakim> sorry, lars, I do not see a party named '+6aaa'
15:05:28 <John_Boyer> Chair: John
15:05:31 <John_Boyer> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Apr/0005.html
15:05:45 <lars> zakim, I am 6aaaa
15:05:45 <Zakim> sorry, lars, I do not see a party named '6aaaa'
15:05:58 <Steven> zakim, aaaa is lars
15:06:00 <Zakim> sorry, Steven, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
15:06:05 <Steven> woh
15:06:10 <Steven> zakim, 6 is lars
15:06:15 <Dave> zakim, who is here?
15:06:16 <Zakim> sorry, Steven, I do not recognize a party named '6'
15:06:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see Blake, jturner (muted), Dave, unl, kenneth, +1.703.368.aacc, John_Boyer, Steven, Raman, +6aadd
15:06:29 <lars> zakim, I am 6aadd
15:06:32 <John_Boyer> Regrets: David, Rafael
15:06:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see Dave, unl, Zakim, kenneth, RRSAgent, Blake, jturner, lars, John_Boyer, schnitz, Steven, markbirbeck
15:06:44 <schnitz> :-)
15:06:46 <Zakim> +??P48
15:06:52 <Zakim> sorry, lars, I do not see a party named '6aadd'
15:06:54 <Zakim> +Jan_Kratky
15:06:54 <Dave> zakim, do you know r2d2?
15:06:57 <schnitz> zakim, ??p48 is me
15:06:59 <lars> zakim, I am +6aadd
15:07:10 <Zakim> +Nick_van_den_Bleeken
15:07:16 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Dave.
15:07:16 <Nick> Nick has joined #forms
15:07:20 <Zakim> +schnitz; got it
15:07:24 <Zakim> +lars; got it
15:07:27 <schnitz> zakim, mute me
15:07:28 <lars> \o/
15:07:30 <Zakim> schnitz should now be muted
15:07:33 <lars> zakim, mute me
15:07:33 <Zakim> lars should now be muted
15:07:36 <schnitz> zakim, thank you
15:07:36 <Zakim> you are very welcome, schnitz
15:07:52 <Nick> can someone change the passcode on http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/Group/
15:07:57 <SusanB> SusanB has joined #forms
15:08:08 <Roger> Roger has joined #forms
15:08:30 <Steven> ok nick; in fact that page is now legacy
15:08:34 <unl> zakim, mute me
15:08:34 <Zakim> unl should now be muted
15:08:39 <Steven> zakim, mute me
15:08:39 <Zakim> Steven should now be muted
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15:09:16 <kenneth> john_boyer: has anyone done action items tehy want to report?
15:09:29 <kenneth> ...emberassing silence...
15:09:58 <kenneth> john_boyer: we need to get started on action items to be in time for last call
15:10:09 <Roger> zakim, what is the code?
15:10:09 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Roger
15:10:19 <schnitz> zakim, unmute me
15:10:19 <Zakim> schnitz should no longer be muted
15:10:35 <kenneth> john_boyer: especially in light of reason comments on mailing list we need to publish 3rd edition
15:11:08 <Zakim> + +03491211aaee
15:11:13 <kenneth> raman: the technical work of the group has been good but we will probably see more issues on the mailing list relating to w3c process 
15:11:20 <Roger> zakim, aaee is Roger;
15:11:20 <Zakim> +Roger;; got it
15:11:23 <schnitz> zakim, mute me
15:11:23 <Zakim> schnitz should now be muted
15:11:26 <Zakim> +[IBM]
15:11:32 <Roger> zakim, mute me;
15:11:32 <Zakim> sorry, Roger, I do not know which phone connection belongs to me;
15:11:57 <Charlie2> Charlie2 has joined #forms
15:12:01 <Zakim> +MarkB
15:12:03 <kenneth> raman: we need to answer on public list even if we do not agree
15:12:05 <Charlie2> sorry i'm late
15:12:13 <markbirbeck> ditto
15:12:14 <Zakim> +Darrell_Dykstra
15:12:29 <Steven> ack me
15:12:34 <kenneth> john_boyer: 1.1 last call deadline has been extended to the end of april, 2007
15:13:08 <kenneth> steven: the issue tracking system has been updated to more closely match the w3c process
15:13:27 <John_Boyer> http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/
15:13:30 <kenneth> steven: the new and improved version is also easier to style
15:13:39 <Steven> zakim, mute me
15:13:39 <Zakim> Steven should now be muted
15:13:57 <Steven> ack me
15:14:03 <kenneth> john_boyer: can we change the name from xforms working group to forms working group
15:14:10 <kenneth> steven: yes, it is trivial.
15:14:26 <kenneth> action: steven to ask shane to change name of working group in issue tracking system
15:14:46 <Steven> schnitz?
15:14:53 <schnitz> mom
15:15:28 <kenneth> steven: to log in to issue tracking, contact shane to get a login
15:16:11 <kenneth> steven: to get a login ask on email: shane@aptest.com
15:16:19 <kenneth> steven: mention you are from forms WG
15:17:48 <kenneth> john_boyer: you can start using the system as user guest, already
15:19:05 <kenneth> Xforms transitional: nothing to report this week
15:19:14 <kenneth> backplane.
15:19:14 <David_Landwehr> David_Landwehr has joined #forms
15:19:50 <John_Boyer> zakim, who is here?
15:19:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see Blake, jturner (muted), Dave, unl (muted), kenneth, +1.703.368.aacc, John_Boyer, Steven, Raman, lars (muted), schnitz (muted), Jan_Kratky, Nick_van_den_Bleeken
15:19:54 <Zakim> ... (muted), Roger;, [IBM], MarkB, Darrell_Dykstra
15:19:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see David_Landwehr, Charlie2, Darrell, Roger, SusanB, Nick, Dave, unl, Zakim, kenneth, RRSAgent, Blake, jturner, lars, John_Boyer, schnitz, Steven, markbirbeck
15:20:13 <kenneth> charlie: we are waiting for the patent working group, otherwise we are ready to go
15:20:39 <kenneth> charlie: the sign up page for new york f2f is ready
15:21:03 <kenneth> steven: i dont know exactly where we put it yet, as there are potential private information
15:21:11 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to install new FtF page
15:21:11 <kenneth> steven: i will get back on that
15:21:37 <kenneth> Xforms conference at XML conference.
15:21:54 <kenneth> john_boyer: i will sent an email out today about that.
15:22:07 <jan> jan has joined #forms
15:22:25 <kenneth> john_boyer: anyone having public examples of xforms?
15:22:37 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Apr/0019.html
15:22:56 <Nick> bcc?
15:23:33 <kenneth> john_boyer: why does an email to www-forms-editor goto www-forms archive?
15:23:43 <kenneth> ....: maybe it was bcc....
15:24:40 <kenneth> raman: i dont think its a glitch in the system
15:24:54 <kenneth> raman: the mails are on the intended mailing lists
15:27:29 <kenneth> john_boyer: i believe the issues addressed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Apr/0019.html  has been carefully done by the WG
15:28:00 <schnitz> zakim, unmute me
15:28:00 <Zakim> schnitz should no longer be muted
15:28:05 <Zakim> -Raman
15:28:34 <kenneth> john_boyer: last call issues:
15:28:45 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Feb/
15:29:36 <kenneth> john: everything arrived after the publication date or near the piublication date should be entered as last call issues
15:29:53 <kenneth> john: and then people will get action items to answer to these issues
15:30:04 <kenneth> john: does this sound like a good idea?
15:30:09 <kenneth> ........
15:30:18 <kenneth> john: okay, so we will do it like that!
15:30:37 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Feb/0005.html
15:31:30 <kenneth> steven: this is not really a last call issue, but anyway we already replied so it is handled
15:31:43 <kenneth> john: do we need to record it as a last call comment?
15:32:03 <kenneth> steven & sebastian: I dont think so.
15:32:39 <kenneth> steven: we replied and he did not have additional comments, so end-of-issue.
15:32:50 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/
15:32:50 <kenneth> john: february done!
15:33:01 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0000.html
15:34:10 <jturner> yes
15:34:21 <kenneth> john: it must be entered as a last call issue. the group already agreed to it.
15:34:40 <kenneth> john: do we need to reply what we did to the spec. or do we just reply "we agree" ?
15:34:53 <kenneth> steven: it is enough to reply: "we agree".
15:35:23 <kenneth> steven: we may also point them to the revised specification.
15:35:46 <kenneth> steven: but we do not need to make detailed description of what we will do in the reply.
15:36:10 <kenneth> steven: also, remember, that all versions of our spec. is now public.
15:37:58 <schnitz> zakim, mute me
15:37:58 <Zakim> schnitz should now be muted
15:40:23 <schnitz> zakim, unmute me
15:40:23 <Zakim> schnitz should no longer be muted
15:43:14 <John_Boyer> 28xforms-issues@mn.aptest.com <mailto:xforms-issues@mn.aptest.com?Subject=Re%3A%20Telecon%20Agenda%20-%20April%2011%2C%202007&In-Reply-To=%253COF35DB690A.2476813E-ON882572BA.00174810-882572BA.0017826C%40ca.ibm.com%253E&References=%253COF35DB690A.2476813E-ON882572BA.00174810-882572BA.0017826C%40ca.ibm.com%253E>
15:44:03 <schnitz> zakim, mute me
15:44:03 <Zakim> schnitz should now be muted
15:44:40 <John_Boyer> 28http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0001.html
15:46:18 <kenneth> john:; do anyone disagree to this resolution ?
15:46:30 <schnitz> zakim, who is making noise?
15:46:31 <kenneth> no one voices objection....
15:46:41 <Zakim> schnitz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: John_Boyer (10%)
15:47:10 <schnitz> zakim, unmute me
15:47:10 <Zakim> schnitz should no longer be muted
15:47:21 <John_Boyer> 28http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0002.html
15:47:27 <schnitz> zakim, who is making noise?
15:47:37 <Zakim> schnitz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 16 (46%), John_Boyer (57%), schnitz (5%), Roger; (24%)
15:47:54 <schnitz> zakim, mute roger
15:47:54 <Zakim> Roger; should now be muted
15:48:05 <schnitz> zakim, who is 16?
15:48:05 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, schnitz.
15:48:47 <kenneth> john: how do we respond to this lastcall issue?
15:48:48 <Roger> Roger has joined #forms
15:49:14 <kenneth> sebastian: i believe the resolution was we need to ask the CDF WG
15:49:16 <lars> zakim, unmute me
15:49:16 <Zakim> lars should no longer be muted
15:49:46 <schnitz> zakim, mute me
15:49:48 <Zakim> schnitz should now be muted
15:49:55 <kenneth> lars: I already contacted some from CDF and I posted the reply.
15:50:09 <kenneth> lars: they said we wat to do that but we are not quite there yet
15:50:24 <kenneth> john: so we need remove this capability from our vocabulary?
15:50:25 <schnitz> zakim, unmute me
15:50:25 <Zakim> schnitz should no longer be muted
15:50:28 <kenneth> lars: yes
15:50:29 <Steven> s/wat/want/
15:52:17 <schnitz> zakim, mute me
15:52:17 <Zakim> schnitz should now be muted
15:52:34 <John_Boyer> 28http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Feb/0027.html
15:52:39 <Zakim> -Darrell_Dykstra
15:53:26 <kenneth> john: essential this is , what happens when we delete the context node - for instance in a sequence of actions
15:56:22 <kenneth> john: I believe we do not say anything about what to do when there are no context node?
15:56:42 <schnitz> zakim, unmute me
15:56:42 <Zakim> schnitz should no longer be muted
15:57:04 <jturner> zakim, unmute me
15:57:04 <Zakim> jturner should no longer be muted
15:57:15 <kenneth> john: what does the implementors do?
15:57:23 <kenneth> kenneth: we do a no-operation
15:57:54 <Roger> I think is the same case if the nodeset doesnŽt exist
15:57:59 <kenneth> joern: i think its a no operation
15:58:32 <Roger> weŽll check it.
15:58:38 <kenneth> john: can implementors sent a note to the list about what they do ?
15:59:11 <SusanB> i'll check
15:59:12 <kenneth> john: if everybody has interpreted as a no-op maybe we can get some language into the spec. describing that behavior.
15:59:54 <Roger> Many thanks & bye
15:59:54 <kenneth> john: top-of-the-hour....
15:59:57 <Zakim> -Steven
15:59:57 <Blake> bye
15:59:58 <jturner> zakim, mute me
15:59:58 <Zakim> jturner should now be muted
15:59:59 <Zakim> -Dave
16:00:01 <jturner> bye
16:00:02 <Zakim> -MarkB
16:00:02 <Roger> Roger has left #forms
16:00:04 <Zakim> -Jan_Kratky
16:00:06 <Zakim> -lars
16:00:07 <Zakim> -Nick_van_den_Bleeken
16:00:08 <lars> lars has left #forms
16:00:08 <Zakim> -unl
16:00:12 <Zakim> -[IBM]
16:00:14 <Zakim> -Blake
16:00:16 <Zakim> -John_Boyer
16:00:20 <Zakim> -schnitz
16:00:20 <Blake> Blake has left #forms
16:00:22 <Nick> sorry my batery of my laptop died
16:00:26 <Zakim> -kenneth
16:00:28 <Zakim> -Roger;
16:00:32 <Zakim> -jturner
16:00:32 <unl> unl has left #forms
16:00:37 <Nick> and I couldn't unmute myself
16:00:51 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
16:00:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.703.368.aacc
16:00:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see David_Landwehr, Charlie2, Nick, Dave, Zakim, kenneth, RRSAgent, jturner, John_Boyer, Steven, markbirbeck
16:01:03 <Steven> zakim, drop aacc
16:01:05 <Zakim> +1.703.368.aacc is being disconnected
16:01:07 <Zakim> HTML_Forms()11:00AM has ended
16:01:09 <Zakim> Attendees were Blake, jturner, +6aaaa, Dave, unl, kenneth, +1.703.368.aacc, John_Boyer, Steven, Raman, +6aadd, Jan_Kratky, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, schnitz, lars, +03491211aaee,
16:01:14 <Zakim> ... Roger;, [IBM], MarkB, Darrell_Dykstra
16:01:16 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
16:01:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-forms-minutes.html Steven
16:01:33 <John_Boyer> 28Thanks, steven!
16:01:42 <Steven> np
16:02:06 <Steven> oops, no topics
16:02:31 <John_Boyer> 28rrsagent, bye
16:02:45 <John_Boyer> 28rrsagent, bye
16:02:49 <John_Boyer> 28grrh
16:02:56 <Steven> no wait
16:03:01 <Steven> rrsagent, help
16:03:46 <John_Boyer> 28I have to go, Steven.  My lousy chat program is in a funk.  Can you tell rrsagent to go away?
16:03:55 <Steven> I'll deal with it
16:04:00 <John_Boyer> 28thank you.
16:04:04 <John_Boyer> John_Boyer has left #forms
16:08:41 <Steven> i/john_boyer: has anyone done /Topic: Action items/
16:09:37 <Steven> i/10 01Steven: the issue tracking system /Topic: Issue tracking/
16:09:41 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
16:09:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-forms-minutes.html Steven
16:10:51 <Steven> i/Steven: the issue tracking system /Topic: Issue tracking/
16:10:57 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
16:10:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-forms-minutes.html Steven
18:01:29 <Zakim> Zakim has left #forms
18:37:08 <Steven> i/10 01Steven: the issue tracking system /Topic: Issue tracking/
18:37:51 <Steven> i/Xforms transitional: /Topic: XForms Transitional/
18:38:25 <Steven> s/backplane./Topic: Backplane/
18:39:33 <Steven> i/charlie: the sign up page for new york f2f is ready/Topic: FtF/
18:40:10 <Steven> s/Xforms conference at XML conference./Topic: Xforms conference at XML conference/
18:49:57 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
18:49:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-forms-minutes.html Steven
18:52:29 <Steven> i/http:..lists.w3.org.Archives.Public.www-forms.2007Apr.0019.html/Topic: Issues/
18:52:54 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
18:52:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-forms-minutes.html Steven
18:54:43 <Steven> i/http:\/\/lists.w3.org\/Archives\/Public\/www-forms\/2007Apr\/0019.html/Topic: Issues/
18:54:48 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
18:54:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-forms-minutes.html Steven
18:55:46 <Steven> i|http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Apr/0019.html|Topic: Issues
18:55:51 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
18:55:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-forms-minutes.html Steven