IRC log of dawg on 2007-04-10

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14:20:09 [LeeF]

zakim, this will be DAWG

14:20:09 [Zakim]

ok, LeeF; I see SW_DAWG()10:30AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes

14:20:20 [LeeF]

Meeting: RDF Data Access Weekly

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Chair: LeeF

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Scribe: LeeF

14:20:32 [LeeF]

Rgrets: jeen, souri

14:20:50 [LeeF]

agenda + convene

14:20:53 [LeeF]

agenda + action items

14:20:59 [LeeF]

agenda + last call comments

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agenda + FROM * / FROM NAMED *

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agenda + langMatches

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agenda + test suite

14:25:00 [SimonR]

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agenda + towards cr

14:28:38 [Zakim]

SW_DAWG()10:30AM has now started

14:28:45 [Zakim]

+??P12

14:28:48 [AndyS]

zakim, ??P12 is me

14:28:48 [Zakim]

+AndyS; got it

14:29:18 [Zakim]

+[IBMCambridge]

14:29:40 [LeeF]

zakim, IBMCambridge is me

14:29:40 [Zakim]

+LeeF; got it

14:31:42 [Zakim]

+??P14

14:31:49 [SimonR]

Zakim, ??P14 is me

14:31:49 [Zakim]

+SimonR; got it

14:34:36 [LeeF]

ericP?

14:35:00 [Zakim]

+EricP

14:35:37 [Zakim]

+Orri_Erling

14:37:23 [LeeF]

zakim, who's on the phone?

14:37:23 [Zakim]

On the phone I see AndyS, LeeF, SimonR, EricP, Orri_Erling

14:37:36 [SimonR]

Zakim, mute me

14:37:36 [Zakim]

SimonR should now be muted

14:37:55 [LeeF]

zakim, take up first agendum

14:37:55 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'take up first agendum', LeeF

14:38:00 [LeeF]

zakim, take up next agendum

14:38:00 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "convene" taken up [from LeeF]

14:38:19 [LeeF]

minutes from last week -> http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-dawg-minutes

14:38:55 [ericP]

scribe: ericP

14:39:23 [ericP]

scribe: LeeF

14:39:44 [LeeF]

approved minutes, ericP seconding

14:40:04 [LeeF]

next meeting, 17 Apr, regrets AndyS

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14:40:42 [LeeF]

scribe next meeting @@

14:40:46 [LeeF]

zakim, close this agendum

14:40:46 [Zakim]

agendum 1 closed

14:40:47 [Zakim]

I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:40:48 [Zakim]

2. action items [from LeeF]

14:41:02 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to commit batch updates to out-of-date tests [DONE]

14:41:56 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to add tests along the lines of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JanMar/0079.html to data-r2/syntax-sparql* and send mail so we can approve them next week [DONE]

14:42:17 [LeeF]

ACTION: EricP to run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests

14:42:35 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to get in touch with SteveH re: setting up an environment to generate an Overview page for tests in data-r2 a la http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/ [CONTINUES]

14:42:40 [LeeF]

action -3

14:42:45 [LeeF]

ACTION: EricP to run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests [CONTINUES]

14:42:57 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP, jeen, or LeeF to update http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/README with info on possible results format and on changes to manifest and test vocabularies [CONTINUES]

14:43:12 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF or EliasT to reply to Bjoern regarding (not) POSTing application/sparql-query documents [CONTINUES]

14:43:35 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF to remember that the wee, lost filter tests should be put [CONTINUES]

14:43:43 [LeeF]

ACTION: jeen to go through and identify out-of-date tests that shouldn't be migrated to data-r2 (after ericP commits batch updates to tests) [CONTINUES]

14:43:49 [LeeF]

ACTION: jeen to mark these 22 approved tests as approved [CONTINUES]

14:43:54 [LeeF]

zakim, close this agendum

14:43:54 [Zakim]

I do not know what agendum had been taken up, LeeF

14:43:59 [LeeF]

zakim, take up next agendum

14:43:59 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "action items" taken up [from LeeF]

14:44:01 [LeeF]

zakim, close this agendum

14:44:01 [Zakim]

agendum 2 closed

14:44:02 [Zakim]

I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:44:03 [Zakim]

3. last call comments [from LeeF]

14:44:04 [LeeF]

zakim, take up next agendum

14:44:04 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "last call comments" taken up [from LeeF]

14:44:46 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to try running DanC's comment-tracking script(s)

14:45:29 [LeeF]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2007Apr/0003.html Andy's reply to Corby comments

14:48:32 [LeeF]

zakim, close this agendum

14:48:32 [Zakim]

agendum 3 closed

14:48:33 [Zakim]

I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:48:34 [Zakim]

4. FROM * / FROM NAMED * [from LeeF]

14:48:36 [LeeF]

zakim, take up next agendum

14:48:36 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "FROM * / FROM NAMED *" taken up [from LeeF]

14:48:54 [SimonR]

Zakim, unmute me

14:48:54 [Zakim]

SimonR should no longer be muted

14:49:23 [LeeF]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2007Apr/0001.html Chimezie on FROM / FROM NAMED *

14:49:30 [LeeF]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/0003.html working group thread

14:49:59 [SimonR]

q+

14:50:52 [LeeF]

ack SimonR

14:51:44 [LeeF]

SimonR: In Mulgara, we have a graph '#' that can be queried and its information is all the other graphs that the system has

14:54:17 [LeeF]

Orri: In Virtuoso, if you omit FROM and FROM NAMED you get the union of all graphs

14:54:46 [AndyS]

In ARQ you get whatever the dataset has been set up to be.

14:55:45 [LeeF]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/issues#serviceDescription service description

14:59:20 [SimonR]

We may be able to respond to this issue by saying we have two postponed issues: service description, and cascaded queries. Together, these will probably address the use case in the next version (1.1?)

15:01:22 [LeeF]

ACTION: SimonR to respond to Chimezie noting no change and referencing the postponed cascaded queries and service description issues

15:02:04 [LeeF]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2007Apr/0004.html Andy's response to Ivan

15:03:23 [LeeF]

zakim, close this agendum

15:03:24 [Zakim]

agendum 4 closed

15:03:25 [Zakim]

I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

15:03:26 [Zakim]

5. langMatches [from LeeF]

15:03:29 [LeeF]

zakim, take up next agendum

15:03:29 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "langMatches" taken up [from LeeF]

15:04:13 [LeeF]

ericP: there are two kinds of matching for language tags (there used to be one - there's more structure in between the hyphens now)

15:04:37 [LeeF]

ericP: one matching is compatible with 3067 and one is newer and deals with being in the proper script even if you don't know the language

15:04:53 [LeeF]

ericP: jeremy gave two approaches - the conservative approach goes with basic matching - everyone knows this approach

15:05:08 [LeeF]

ericP: the other approach promotes the new rfc 4646 scheme but would be a change to our language

15:05:23 [LeeF]

ericP: I think we should clarify and go with basic

15:08:16 [LeeF]

AndyS: We need to reference the right part of the document and need to specify which matching algorithm to use (basic)

15:09:57 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to respond to Jeremy Carroll's comments re: langMatches

15:10:01 [LeeF]

zakim, close this agendum

15:10:01 [Zakim]

agendum 5 closed

15:10:02 [Zakim]

I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

15:10:03 [Zakim]

6. test suite [from LeeF]

15:10:07 [LeeF]

zakim, take up next agendum

15:10:07 [Zakim]

agendum 6. "test suite" taken up [from LeeF]

15:10:26 [LeeF]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/0007.html Eric's changes to old tests

15:10:49 [LeeF]

...includes Algae output showing which tests still fail

15:11:30 [LeeF]

I encourage people to look at sets of test cases and propose them for approval

15:12:01 [LeeF]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/0009.html Eric: tests of blabels in BGP patterns

15:14:13 [AndyS]

Syntax tests: 196 tests

15:14:26 [AndyS]

Passed 196 tests.

15:14:37 [LeeF]

PROPOSED: approve the four tests referenced in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/0009.html

15:15:08 [LeeF]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/syntax-sparql3/syn-blabel-cross-filter.rq

15:16:03 [SimonR]

I'll abstain.

15:16:08 [LeeF]

RESOLVED, SimonR abstaining

15:16:27 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF to mark the four tests in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/0009.html approved

15:16:34 [LeeF]

zakim, close this agendum

15:16:34 [Zakim]

agendum 6 closed

15:16:35 [Zakim]

I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:

15:16:36 [Zakim]

7. towards cr [from LeeF]

15:17:20 [LeeF]

LeeF: anything else?

15:17:25 [LeeF]

ericP: I made the Last Call status report work

15:17:37 [ericP]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/lc-status-report LC status report

15:18:27 [LeeF]

...not quite working yet :)

15:18:44 [Zakim]

-Orri_Erling

15:18:50 [SimonR]

ADJOURN at 15:18Z

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-LeeF

15:19:20 [LeeF]

rrsagent, stop