IRC log of wai-wcag on 2007-04-05

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-wai-wcag-irc
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RRSAgent, do not start a new log
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RRSAgent, make log world
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zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
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ok, ben_, I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM already started
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+ +7.971.aabb
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zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see +1.301.668.aaaa, ??P3, Alex_Li, +7.971.aabb
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+Cooper
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zakim, +7.971.aabb is Sean_Hayes
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+Sean_Hayes; got it
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zakim, +1.301.668.aaaa is Bruce_Bailey
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+Bruce_Bailey; got it
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+[IBM]
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zakim, ??P3 is Gregg_and_Ben
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+Gregg_and_Ben; got it
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+[IPcaller]
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zakim, [IBM] is Andi_Snow-Weaver
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+Andi_Snow-Weaver; got it
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zakim, [IPcaller] is Roberto_Ellero
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+Roberto_Ellero; got it
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Zakim, mute Roberto_Ellero
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Roberto_Ellero should now be muted
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007AprJun/0005.html
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Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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ScribeOptions: -scribeOnly
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+??P8
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zakim, ??P8 si Cynthia_Shelly
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I don't understand '??P8 si Cynthia_Shelly', ben_
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+Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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zakim, ??P8 is Cynthia_Shelly
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+Cynthia_Shelly; got it
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agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
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agenda+ Team C Survey of 05 April 2007
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+ +0321632aacc
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agenda+ Team B Survey for 5 April 2007
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agenda+ Misc Survey for 05 April 2007
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+David_MacDonald
20:05:48 [ben_]
zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see Bruce_Bailey, Gregg_and_Ben, Alex_Li, Sean_Hayes, Cooper, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Roberto_Ellero (muted), Cynthia_Shelly, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Christophe_Strobbe,
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... David_MacDonald
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Regrets: Don_Evans, Sofia_Celic
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hello
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scribe: Andi
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zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from ben_]
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Planning call for cognitive either Monday or Tuesday at 8 AM Eastern
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ack b
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zakim, close this item
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agendum 1 closed
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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. Team C Survey of 05 April 2007 [from ben_]
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zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2. "Team C Survey of 05 April 2007" taken up [from ben_]
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topic: LC-1078
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resolution: Accept proposed resolution to LC-1078 regarding scope as amended
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LC-959
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topic: LC-959
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ack c
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q+
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ack d
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ack c
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resolution: Accept LC-959 as revised
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topic: Creating a mechanism that allows users to jump to errors
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resolution: Accept "creating a mechanism that allows users to jump to errors" as amended
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topic: Identifying required fields with the "required" property
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action: Michael - add "pending completion of ARIA" to all techniques, add "pending completion of ARIA" to response, add UA notes
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topic: Identifying valid range information with the "valuemin" and "valuemax" properties
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action: Michael - same action item as for "required" property - address Loretta's editorial comment in both techniques
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topic: LC-587, LC-654: labels and forms
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resolution: accept proposals LC-587 and LC-654 on labels and forms as amended
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Ben, did you get Andi's change, too?
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topic: LC-830 Scoping Out
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resolution: close LC-830 Scoping Out as proposed
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topic: LC-939 Content Negotiation
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q+
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ack l
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q+
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ack a
20:57:54 [Christophe]
zakim, mute me
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Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
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q+
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q-
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+??P0
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zakim, ??P0 is Makoto_Ueki
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+Makoto_Ueki; got it
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q-
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zakim, mute me
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Makoto_Ueki should now be muted
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resolution: remove conformance criterion on content negotiation
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action: Gregg & Andi - create sufficient techniques for alternative versions of "opaque" pages
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resolution: close LC-939 content negotiation as revised
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topic: LC-1042 multiple versions
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action: Gregg and Andi to include LC-1042 with previous action item
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topic: LC-1148 SC 4.2.1 contradicts conformance definition
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resolution: accept LC-1148 as amended
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topic: LC-1212 high inter-rater reliability
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resolution: accept LC-1212 as proposed
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topic: LC-1215 granularity of equivalent content
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resolution: accept LC-1215 granularity of equivalent content as amended
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topic: LC-1268: use of other sufficient techniques
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resolution: accept LC-1268 use of other sufficient techniques as amended
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zakim, unmute me
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Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted
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topic: LC-1517: claims for subdomains
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resolution: accept LC-1517 claims for subdomains as amended
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topic: LC-1657: Decorative non-text content
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resolution: accept LC-1657 Decorative non-text content as amended
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topic: 1208 and 1209
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resolution: no action - both LC-1208 and LC-1209 were previously closed
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scribe: Christophe
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Topic: LC-1033: "extremely limited baseline"
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Resolution: accept LC-1033 as amended
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Topic: LC-1145: alternate versions and baseline
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Resolution: refer to Andi and Gregg's action item
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Topic: LC-1269, LC-1270, LC-1302: accepted as proposed with unanimous consent
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-Andi_Snow-Weaver
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Resolution: LC-1269, LC-1270, LC-1302: accepted as proposed with unanimous consent
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Action: Andi and Gregg to also do LC-1145
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Topic: LC-1307: can UA satisfy SC?
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Resolution: LC-1307 closed as proposed
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Topic: Understanding Success Criterion 3.3.6 (LC-1171)
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Resolution: Understanding SC 3.3.6 accepted as proposed
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Topic: LC-1187 and LC-1188: Proposals for SC 2.3.1
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Resolution: LC-1187 and LC-1188 accepted as amended
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Topic: Definition of "process"
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-Roberto_Ellero
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Resolution: definition of process accepted as amended
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Topic: Established Lists
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q+
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q+
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ack c
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Q+ David
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RRSAgent, who is on the phone?
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I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'who is on the phone'
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Zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see Bruce_Bailey (muted), Gregg_and_Ben, Alex_Li, Sean_Hayes, Cooper, Cynthia_Shelly, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Christophe_Strobbe, David_MacDonald, Makoto_Ueki (muted)
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RRSAgent, pointer?
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See http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-wai-wcag-irc#T22-19-45
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Resolution: accept proposal for "Established Lists" ("Documented Lists")
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Note on previous resolution: proposal was to change "established" to "documented" and to change example 4 from government to individual, and close editorial note.
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Topic: Almost all users (editorial comment)
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q+
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-Alex_Li
22:53:16 [Loretta]
Christophe, can the minutes capture the action items from the last issue:
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Walk AsCT algorithm for technology/user agents for
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- HTML/English (Cynthia)
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- HTML/Japanese (Makoto)
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- CSS/English? (Christophe)
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Loretta to talk with Gez about helping.
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ack david
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Action: Cynthia to wallk AsCT algorithm for HTML in English
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Action: Makoto to wallk AsCT algorithm for HTML in Japanese
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Action: Christophe to wallk AsCT algorithm for HTML in English
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Action: Loretta to talk with Gez about helping (AsCT)
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Thanks!
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I've got to go. We've reached the 3 hour mark.
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-Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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-Bruce_Bailey
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Resolution: accept change "almost all users" to change to "users' assistive technology"
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-Cynthia_Shelly
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-Gregg_and_Ben
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-Cooper
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-Sean_Hayes
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Present: Bruce_Bailey, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Ben_Caldwell, Alex_Li, Sean_Hayes, Michael_Cooper, Cynthia_Shelly, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Christophe_Strobbe, David_MacDonald, Makoto_Ueki, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Roberto_Ellero
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-Makoto_Ueki
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-Christophe_Strobbe
23:10:06 [ben_]
zakim, close this item
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agendum 2 closed
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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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3. Team B Survey for 5 April 2007 [from ben_]
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zakim, close item 3
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agendum 3, Team B Survey for 5 April 2007, closed
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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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4. Misc Survey for 05 April 2007 [from ben_]
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zakim, close item 2
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agendum 2, Team C Survey of 05 April 2007, closed
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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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4. Misc Survey for 05 April 2007 [from ben_]
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zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees were Alex_Li, Cooper, Sean_Hayes, Bruce_Bailey, Gregg_and_Ben, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Roberto_Ellero, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Cynthia_Shelly,
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... +0321632aacc, Christophe_Strobbe, David_MacDonald, Makoto_Ueki
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Michael - add "pending completion of ARIA" to all techniques, add "pending completion of ARIA" to response, add UA notes [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-wai-wcag-irc#T20-44-30
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ACTION: Michael - same action item as for "required" property - address Loretta's editorial comment in both techniques [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-wai-wcag-irc#T20-45-46
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ACTION: Gregg & Andi - create sufficient techniques for alternative versions of "opaque" pages [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-wai-wcag-irc#T21-08-24
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ACTION: Gregg and Andi to include LC-1042 with previous action item [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-wai-wcag-irc#T21-13-48
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ACTION: Andi and Gregg to also do LC-1145 [5]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-wai-wcag-irc#T21-43-58
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ACTION: Cynthia to wallk AsCT algorithm for HTML in English [6]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-wai-wcag-irc#T22-54-25
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ACTION: Makoto to wallk AsCT algorithm for HTML in Japanese [7]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-wai-wcag-irc#T22-54-40
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ACTION: Christophe to wallk AsCT algorithm for HTML in English [8]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-wai-wcag-irc#T22-54-59
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ACTION: Loretta to talk with Gez about helping (AsCT) [9]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-wai-wcag-irc#T22-55-21