20:00:33 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #wai-wcag
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20:00:38 <ben_> RRSAgent, do not start a new log
20:00:43 <ben_> RRSAgent, make log world
20:00:48 <ben_> zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
20:00:48 <Zakim> ok, ben_, I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM already started
20:01:09 <Zakim> + +7.971.aabb
20:01:15 <ben_> zakim, who is on the phone?
20:01:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.301.668.aaaa, ??P3, Alex_Li, +7.971.aabb
20:01:25 <Zakim> +Cooper
20:01:27 <ben_> zakim, +7.971.aabb is Sean_Hayes
20:01:27 <Zakim> +Sean_Hayes; got it
20:01:41 <ben_> zakim, +1.301.668.aaaa is Bruce_Bailey
20:01:41 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey; got it
20:01:42 <Zakim> +[IBM]
20:01:54 <ben_> zakim, ??P3 is Gregg_and_Ben
20:01:54 <Zakim> +Gregg_and_Ben; got it
20:02:03 <Andi> Andi has joined #wai-wcag
20:02:12 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:02:12 <ben_> zakim, [IBM] is Andi_Snow-Weaver
20:02:14 <Zakim> +Andi_Snow-Weaver; got it
20:02:26 <rellero_> zakim, [IPcaller] is Roberto_Ellero
20:02:26 <Zakim> +Roberto_Ellero; got it
20:02:40 <rellero_> Zakim, mute Roberto_Ellero
20:02:40 <Zakim> Roberto_Ellero should now be muted
20:03:02 <ben_> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007AprJun/0005.html
20:03:10 <ben_> Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
20:03:17 <ben_> ScribeOptions: -scribeOnly
20:03:19 <Zakim> +??P8
20:03:36 <bruce> bruce has joined #wai-wcag
20:03:38 <ben_> zakim, ??P8 si Cynthia_Shelly
20:03:38 <Zakim> I don't understand '??P8 si Cynthia_Shelly', ben_
20:03:41 <Zakim> +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
20:03:53 <ben_> zakim, ??P8 is Cynthia_Shelly
20:03:53 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
20:04:27 <ben_> agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
20:04:38 <ben_> agenda+ Team C Survey of 05 April 2007
20:04:44 <Zakim> + +0321632aacc
20:04:49 <ben_> agenda+ Team B Survey for 5 April 2007
20:05:04 <ben_> agenda+ Misc Survey for 05 April 2007
20:05:40 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
20:05:48 <ben_> zakim, who is on the phone?
20:05:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bruce_Bailey, Gregg_and_Ben, Alex_Li, Sean_Hayes, Cooper, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Roberto_Ellero (muted), Cynthia_Shelly, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Christophe_Strobbe,
20:05:52 <Zakim> ... David_MacDonald
20:06:58 <ben_> Regrets: Don_Evans, Sofia_Celic
20:07:09 <bruce> hello
20:07:36 <David> David has joined #wai-wcag
20:07:47 <Andi> scribe: Andi
20:08:01 <ben_> zakim, take up agendum 1
20:08:01 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from ben_]
20:10:51 <bruce> bruce has joined #wai-wcag
20:10:59 <Andi> Planning call for cognitive either Monday or Tuesday at 8 AM Eastern
20:11:04 <Gregg> ack b
20:12:07 <ben_> zakim, close this item
20:12:07 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
20:12:08 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
20:12:09 <Zakim> 2. Team C Survey of 05 April 2007 [from ben_]
20:12:11 <ben_> zakim, take up agendum 2
20:12:11 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Team C Survey of 05 April 2007" taken up [from ben_]
20:13:44 <Andi> topic: LC-1078
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20:16:27 <Andi> resolution: Accept proposed resolution to LC-1078 regarding scope as amended
20:16:55 <Andi> LC-959
20:19:22 <Andi> topic: LC-959
20:19:29 <Gregg> ack c
20:20:21 <bruce> bruce has joined #wai-wcag
20:22:53 <David> q+
20:23:13 <Gregg> ack d
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20:25:05 <Gregg> ack c
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20:29:53 <Andi> resolution: Accept LC-959 as revised
20:30:50 <Andi> topic: Creating a mechanism that allows users to jump to errors
20:35:58 <Andi> resolution: Accept "creating a mechanism that allows users to jump to errors" as amended
20:36:20 <Andi> topic: Identifying required fields with the "required" property
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20:44:30 <Andi> action: Michael - add "pending completion of ARIA" to all techniques, add "pending completion of ARIA" to response, add UA notes
20:45:10 <Andi> topic: Identifying valid range information with the "valuemin" and "valuemax" properties
20:45:46 <Andi> action: Michael - same action item as for "required" property - address Loretta's editorial comment in both techniques
20:46:50 <Andi> topic: LC-587, LC-654: labels and forms
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20:50:01 <Andi> resolution: accept proposals LC-587 and LC-654 on labels and forms as amended
20:50:18 <Loretta> Ben, did you get Andi's change, too?
20:50:36 <Andi> topic: LC-830 Scoping Out
20:51:30 <Andi> resolution: close LC-830 Scoping Out as proposed
20:52:07 <Andi> topic: LC-939 Content Negotiation
20:52:32 <Loretta> q+
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20:54:32 <Gregg> ack l
20:56:04 <Andi> q+
20:56:36 <Gregg> ack a
20:57:54 <Christophe> zakim, mute me
20:57:54 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
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21:01:12 <Loretta> q+
21:01:51 <Loretta> q-
21:03:14 <Makoto> Makoto has joined #wai-wcag
21:04:45 <Zakim> +??P0
21:04:58 <Makoto> zakim, ??P0 is Makoto_Ueki
21:04:58 <Zakim> +Makoto_Ueki; got it
21:05:13 <MichaelC> q-
21:05:38 <Makoto> zakim, mute me
21:05:38 <Zakim> Makoto_Ueki should now be muted
21:07:16 <Andi> resolution: remove conformance criterion on content negotiation
21:08:24 <Andi> action: Gregg & Andi - create sufficient techniques for alternative versions of "opaque" pages
21:09:43 <Andi> resolution: close LC-939 content negotiation as revised
21:10:55 <Andi> topic: LC-1042 multiple versions
21:13:48 <Andi> action: Gregg and Andi to include LC-1042 with previous action item
21:14:14 <Andi> topic: LC-1148 SC 4.2.1 contradicts conformance definition
21:14:33 <Andi> resolution: accept LC-1148 as amended
21:14:55 <Andi> topic: LC-1212 high inter-rater reliability
21:15:06 <Andi> resolution: accept LC-1212 as proposed
21:15:22 <Andi> topic: LC-1215 granularity of equivalent content
21:20:31 <Andi> resolution: accept LC-1215 granularity of equivalent content as amended
21:20:51 <Andi> topic: LC-1268: use of other sufficient techniques
21:27:26 <Andi> resolution: accept LC-1268 use of other sufficient techniques as amended
21:27:56 <Christophe> zakim, unmute me
21:27:56 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted
21:29:28 <Andi> topic: LC-1517: claims for subdomains
21:34:03 <Andi> resolution: accept LC-1517 claims for subdomains as amended
21:34:25 <Andi> topic: LC-1657: Decorative non-text content
21:37:14 <Andi> resolution: accept LC-1657 Decorative non-text content as amended
21:39:52 <Andi> topic: 1208 and 1209
21:40:15 <Andi> resolution: no action - both LC-1208 and LC-1209 were previously closed
21:40:42 <Christophe> scribe: Christophe
21:40:46 <Christophe> Topic: LC-1033: "extremely limited baseline"
21:41:23 <Christophe> Resolution: accept LC-1033 as amended
21:41:36 <Christophe> Topic: LC-1145: alternate versions and baseline
21:42:01 <Christophe> Resolution: refer to Andi and Gregg's action item
21:42:57 <Christophe> Topic: LC-1269, LC-1270, LC-1302: accepted as proposed with unanimous consent
21:43:12 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow-Weaver
21:43:17 <Christophe> Resolution: LC-1269, LC-1270, LC-1302: accepted as proposed with unanimous consent
21:43:58 <Christophe> Action: Andi and Gregg to also do LC-1145
21:44:12 <Christophe> Topic: LC-1307: can UA satisfy SC?
21:46:00 <Christophe> Resolution: LC-1307 closed as proposed
21:46:28 <Christophe> Topic: Understanding Success Criterion 3.3.6 (LC-1171)
21:48:18 <Christophe> Resolution: Understanding SC 3.3.6 accepted as proposed
21:48:25 <Christophe> Topic: LC-1187 and LC-1188: Proposals for SC 2.3.1
21:51:59 <Christophe> Resolution: LC-1187 and LC-1188 accepted as amended
21:52:11 <Christophe> Topic: Definition of "process"
22:00:36 <Zakim> -Roberto_Ellero
22:06:34 <Christophe> Resolution: definition of process accepted as amended
22:06:44 <Christophe> Topic: Established Lists
22:14:01 <David> q+
22:14:10 <Loretta> q+
22:14:21 <Gregg> ack c
22:14:23 <Gregg> ack d
22:14:26 <Gregg> ack l
22:14:33 <Gregg> Q+ David
22:18:38 <ben_> RRSAgent, who is on the phone?
22:18:38 <RRSAgent> I'm logging.  Sorry, nothing found for 'who is on the phone'
22:18:47 <ben_> Zakim, who is on the phone?
22:18:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bruce_Bailey (muted), Gregg_and_Ben, Alex_Li, Sean_Hayes, Cooper, Cynthia_Shelly, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Christophe_Strobbe, David_MacDonald, Makoto_Ueki (muted)
22:19:45 <ben_> RRSAgent, pointer?
22:19:45 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-wai-wcag-irc#T22-19-45
22:38:08 <Christophe> Resolution: accept proposal for "Established Lists" ("Documented Lists")
22:39:50 <Christophe> Note on previous resolution: proposal was to change "established" to "documented" and to change example 4 from government to individual, and close editorial note.
22:41:44 <Christophe> Topic: Almost all users (editorial comment)
22:45:37 <David> q+
22:47:24 <Zakim> -Alex_Li
22:53:16 <Loretta> Christophe, can the minutes capture the action items from the last issue:
22:53:17 <Loretta> Walk AsCT algorithm for technology/user agents for
22:53:19 <Loretta> - HTML/English (Cynthia)
22:53:21 <Loretta> - HTML/Japanese (Makoto)
22:53:23 <Loretta> - CSS/English? (Christophe)
22:53:24 <Loretta> Loretta to talk with Gez about helping.
22:53:53 <Gregg> ack david
22:54:25 <Christophe> Action: Cynthia to wallk AsCT algorithm for HTML in English
22:54:40 <Christophe> Action: Makoto to wallk AsCT algorithm for HTML in Japanese
22:54:59 <Christophe> Action: Christophe to wallk AsCT algorithm for HTML in English
22:55:21 <Christophe> Action: Loretta to talk with Gez about helping (AsCT)
22:57:20 <Loretta> Thanks!
23:03:10 <Loretta> I've got to go. We've reached the 3 hour mark.
23:07:50 <Zakim> -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
23:07:52 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
23:09:18 <Christophe> Resolution: accept change "almost all users" to change to "users' assistive technology"
23:09:27 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
23:09:30 <Zakim> -Gregg_and_Ben
23:09:31 <Zakim> -Cooper
23:09:32 <Zakim> -Sean_Hayes
23:09:33 <ben_> Present: Bruce_Bailey, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Ben_Caldwell, Alex_Li, Sean_Hayes, Michael_Cooper, Cynthia_Shelly, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Christophe_Strobbe, David_MacDonald, Makoto_Ueki, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Roberto_Ellero
23:09:34 <Zakim> -Makoto_Ueki
23:09:35 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
23:10:06 <ben_> zakim, close this item
23:10:06 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
23:10:07 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
23:10:08 <Zakim> 3. Team B Survey for 5 April 2007 [from ben_]
23:10:10 <ben_> zakim, close item 3
23:10:10 <Zakim> agendum 3, Team B Survey for 5 April 2007, closed
23:10:11 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
23:10:12 <Zakim> 4. Misc Survey for 05 April 2007 [from ben_]
23:10:14 <ben_> zakim, close item 2
23:10:14 <Zakim> agendum 2, Team C Survey of 05 April 2007, closed
23:10:15 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
23:10:16 <Zakim> 4. Misc Survey for 05 April 2007 [from ben_]
23:10:17 <ben_> zakim, bye
23:10:17 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Alex_Li, Cooper, Sean_Hayes, Bruce_Bailey, Gregg_and_Ben, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Roberto_Ellero, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Cynthia_Shelly,
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23:10:20 <Zakim> ... +0321632aacc, Christophe_Strobbe, David_MacDonald, Makoto_Ueki
23:10:22 <ben_> RRSAgent, bye
23:10:22 <RRSAgent> I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
23:10:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael - add "pending completion of ARIA" to all techniques, add "pending completion of ARIA" to response, add UA notes [1]
23:10:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-wai-wcag-irc#T20-44-30
23:10:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael - same action item as for "required" property - address Loretta's editorial comment in both techniques [2]
23:10:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-wai-wcag-irc#T20-45-46
23:10:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Gregg & Andi - create sufficient techniques for alternative versions of "opaque" pages [3]
23:10:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-wai-wcag-irc#T21-08-24
23:10:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Gregg and Andi to include LC-1042 with previous action item [4]
23:10:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-wai-wcag-irc#T21-13-48
23:10:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Andi and Gregg to also do LC-1145 [5]
23:10:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-wai-wcag-irc#T21-43-58
23:10:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Cynthia to wallk AsCT algorithm for HTML in English [6]
23:10:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-wai-wcag-irc#T22-54-25
23:10:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Makoto to wallk AsCT algorithm for HTML in Japanese [7]
23:10:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-wai-wcag-irc#T22-54-40
23:10:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Christophe to wallk AsCT algorithm for HTML in English [8]
23:10:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-wai-wcag-irc#T22-54-59
23:10:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Loretta to talk with Gez about helping (AsCT) [9]
23:10:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-wai-wcag-irc#T22-55-21