IRC log of ua on 2007-04-05

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17:49:57 [AllanJ]
zakim, this will be wai-u
17:49:57 [Zakim]
I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, AllanJ
17:50:06 [AllanJ]
zakim, this will be wai_u
17:50:06 [Zakim]
ok, AllanJ; I see WAI_UAWG()2:00PM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
17:50:23 [AllanJ]
rrsagent, set logs public
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meeting: User Agent teleconference
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Chair: Jim Allan
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Scribe: JR
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WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has now started
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+Jim_Allan
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+??P1
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+[IBM]
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18:00:45 [JR]
zakim, P1 is really JR
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sorry, JR, I do not recognize a party named 'P1'
18:00:51 [JR]
zakim, ??P1 is really JR
18:00:51 [Zakim]
+JR; got it
18:01:10 [JR]
zakim, [IBM] is really cklaws
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+cklaws; got it
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+[IBM]
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18:04:57 [JR]
zakim, [IBM] is really parente
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+parente; got it
18:07:59 [JR]
All: Welcome back to Jim.
18:08:24 [JR]
Topic: Review Acton items
18:08:35 [JR]
JA: Still working on them.
18:09:21 [JR]
JA: Aout use cases - did some reading - KF seemed interesting - CL and PP seemed cool to idea of putting use cases in req doc
18:09:39 [JR]
JA: Some other req docs have them and some don't
18:09:58 [JR]
JA: But didn't make much headway
18:10:33 [JR]
CL: Can be helpful in specific domains (e.g. rich document naviagation) but takes time to think through
18:11:12 [JR]
CL: Seems we are going backwards to do use cases after decide what we are doing...
18:11:29 [JR]
CL:Maybe do use cases for things people would have a hard time with
18:12:38 [JR]
http://www.tsbvi.edu/technology/uawg/UA_requirements-22feb07.html
18:12:49 [AllanJ]
JR: question. anything in requirements document that is confusing?
18:13:28 [JR]
Action All: Look at requirements document to see if anything needs a use-case type example as a justification.
18:13:44 [JR]
Topic: Define "core" or "base" user agent functionality.
18:13:58 [JR]
JA: Do we have enough in the requirements doc?...
18:14:36 [JR]
CL: Still going to be gray areas - eg. keyboard navigation
18:14:49 [JR]
CL: Can be author, browser, plugin.
18:16:08 [JR]
JA: what about alt from keyboard.
18:17:02 [AllanJ]
CL: dojo work now have interactive tooltips
18:17:38 [AllanJ]
PP: is a dynamic tooltip still a tooltip
18:18:02 [AllanJ]
CL: they function more like a dialog box, but there is naming confusion
18:18:30 [JR]
All: Discussion of tooltips
18:18:48 [JR]
CL: Lots of problems figuring out focus
18:19:12 [AllanJ]
CL: keyboard focus in AJAX, is it the same kind of focus event as a mouse
18:19:28 [AllanJ]
CL: how to communicate to the user that something popped up
18:20:47 [AllanJ]
JR: user agent provides access to tooltip (alt, title) from the mouse but not keyboard
18:21:29 [AllanJ]
...but new widgets (ajax) have problems
18:22:04 [AllanJ]
CL: working on this from the mouse, keyboard access is addition issue
18:22:22 [JR]
PP: Problem whenever algorithms, controls are rebuilt over and over
18:22:39 [JR]
JR: Getting philosophical...
18:23:11 [JR]
CL: Keystrokes being competed for with ATs
18:23:49 [JR]
PP: In Linux, Desktop, keyboard manager etc can eat certain strokes
18:23:51 [AllanJ]
CL: web applications are apps within apps, the UA will grab keys first, or screen reader will get first, OS may also grab key before it gets to webapp
18:24:13 [JR]
JA: Back to core stuff...
18:24:24 [JR]
JA: Just leave open for now and hash it out later.
18:24:27 [JR]
?
18:24:49 [JR]
JA: We talk about modularization...
18:25:05 [JR]
JA: Browsers, extensions, ATs
18:26:11 [JR]
CL: Some things in base uaag won't be done by base browsers - e.g. keyboard nav to mouseovers will never be adopted
18:26:20 [JR]
JA: CSS stuff up to author
18:26:31 [JR]
JA: Maybe leave to authors
18:27:08 [JR]
JA: DOJO etc removes control from browsers
18:27:37 [JR]
JA: Hearing we should leave generic statement for later
18:27:47 [JR]
CL: Yes
18:28:15 [JR]
CL: But still thing it will be tricky without relying more on ATs, extensions
18:28:50 [JR]
CL: When author we have to rely on WCAG
18:29:07 [JR]
JA: Think they have lots in there
18:30:34 [JR]
Action All: Review www.tsbvi.edu/technology/uawg/UA_requirements-22feb07.html
18:30:57 [AllanJ]
action: JA ping JB Charter
18:32:06 [JR]
JA: Next week will get new version out - let's try to get this polished and out by end of April
18:32:26 [JR]
JA: THen I will find out about making a recruitment announcement
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-cklaws
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-parente
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-JR
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-Jim_Allan
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Attendees were Jim_Allan, JR, cklaws, parente
18:36:58 [JR]
RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-ua-minutes.html JR
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RRSAgent, set logs public
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Zakim, bye
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-ua-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: All to Look at requirements document to see if anything needs a use-case type example as a justification. [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-ua-irc#T18-13-28
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ACTION: All to Review www.tsbvi.edu/technology/uawg/UA_requirements-22feb07.html [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-ua-irc#T18-30-34
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ACTION: JA ping JB Charter [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-ua-irc#T18-30-57