17:49:42 RRSAgent has joined #ua 17:49:42 logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-ua-irc 17:49:57 zakim, this will be wai-u 17:49:57 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, AllanJ 17:50:06 zakim, this will be wai_u 17:50:06 ok, AllanJ; I see WAI_UAWG()2:00PM scheduled to start in 10 minutes 17:50:23 rrsagent, set logs public 17:50:47 meeting: User Agent teleconference 17:50:55 Chair: Jim Allan 17:52:32 JR has joined #ua 17:52:55 Scribe: JR 17:56:03 WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has now started 17:56:10 +Jim_Allan 18:00:03 +??P1 18:00:13 +[IBM] 18:00:39 cklaws has joined #ua 18:00:45 zakim, P1 is really JR 18:00:45 sorry, JR, I do not recognize a party named 'P1' 18:00:51 zakim, ??P1 is really JR 18:00:51 +JR; got it 18:01:10 zakim, [IBM] is really cklaws 18:01:10 +cklaws; got it 18:04:34 +[IBM] 18:04:42 parente has joined #ua 18:04:57 zakim, [IBM] is really parente 18:04:57 +parente; got it 18:07:59 All: Welcome back to Jim. 18:08:24 Topic: Review Acton items 18:08:35 JA: Still working on them. 18:09:21 JA: Aout use cases - did some reading - KF seemed interesting - CL and PP seemed cool to idea of putting use cases in req doc 18:09:39 JA: Some other req docs have them and some don't 18:09:58 JA: But didn't make much headway 18:10:33 CL: Can be helpful in specific domains (e.g. rich document naviagation) but takes time to think through 18:11:12 CL: Seems we are going backwards to do use cases after decide what we are doing... 18:11:29 CL:Maybe do use cases for things people would have a hard time with 18:12:38 http://www.tsbvi.edu/technology/uawg/UA_requirements-22feb07.html 18:12:49 JR: question. anything in requirements document that is confusing? 18:13:28 Action All: Look at requirements document to see if anything needs a use-case type example as a justification. 18:13:44 Topic: Define "core" or "base" user agent functionality. 18:13:58 JA: Do we have enough in the requirements doc?... 18:14:36 CL: Still going to be gray areas - eg. keyboard navigation 18:14:49 CL: Can be author, browser, plugin. 18:16:08 JA: what about alt from keyboard. 18:17:02 CL: dojo work now have interactive tooltips 18:17:38 PP: is a dynamic tooltip still a tooltip 18:18:02 CL: they function more like a dialog box, but there is naming confusion 18:18:30 All: Discussion of tooltips 18:18:48 CL: Lots of problems figuring out focus 18:19:12 CL: keyboard focus in AJAX, is it the same kind of focus event as a mouse 18:19:28 CL: how to communicate to the user that something popped up 18:20:47 JR: user agent provides access to tooltip (alt, title) from the mouse but not keyboard 18:21:29 ...but new widgets (ajax) have problems 18:22:04 CL: working on this from the mouse, keyboard access is addition issue 18:22:22 PP: Problem whenever algorithms, controls are rebuilt over and over 18:22:39 JR: Getting philosophical... 18:23:11 CL: Keystrokes being competed for with ATs 18:23:49 PP: In Linux, Desktop, keyboard manager etc can eat certain strokes 18:23:51 CL: web applications are apps within apps, the UA will grab keys first, or screen reader will get first, OS may also grab key before it gets to webapp 18:24:13 JA: Back to core stuff... 18:24:24 JA: Just leave open for now and hash it out later. 18:24:27 ? 18:24:49 JA: We talk about modularization... 18:25:05 JA: Browsers, extensions, ATs 18:26:11 CL: Some things in base uaag won't be done by base browsers - e.g. keyboard nav to mouseovers will never be adopted 18:26:20 JA: CSS stuff up to author 18:26:31 JA: Maybe leave to authors 18:27:08 JA: DOJO etc removes control from browsers 18:27:37 JA: Hearing we should leave generic statement for later 18:27:47 CL: Yes 18:28:15 CL: But still thing it will be tricky without relying more on ATs, extensions 18:28:50 CL: When author we have to rely on WCAG 18:29:07 JA: Think they have lots in there 18:30:34 Action All: Review www.tsbvi.edu/technology/uawg/UA_requirements-22feb07.html 18:30:57 action: JA ping JB Charter 18:32:06 JA: Next week will get new version out - let's try to get this polished and out by end of April 18:32:26 JA: THen I will find out about making a recruitment announcement 18:33:48 -cklaws 18:33:49 -parente 18:36:15 -JR 18:36:17 -Jim_Allan 18:36:18 WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has ended 18:36:19 Attendees were Jim_Allan, JR, cklaws, parente 18:36:58 RRSAgent, make minutes 18:36:58 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-ua-minutes.html JR 18:37:59 RRSAgent, set logs public 18:38:03 Zakim, bye 18:38:03 Zakim has left #ua 18:38:09 RRSAgent, bye 18:38:09 I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-ua-actions.rdf : 18:38:09 ACTION: All to Look at requirements document to see if anything needs a use-case type example as a justification. [1] 18:38:09 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-ua-irc#T18-13-28 18:38:09 ACTION: All to Review www.tsbvi.edu/technology/uawg/UA_requirements-22feb07.html [2] 18:38:09 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-ua-irc#T18-30-34 18:38:09 ACTION: JA ping JB Charter [3] 18:38:09 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/05-ua-irc#T18-30-57