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14:55:43 <Dave> I don't remember seeing an agenda but with the flood of emails from HTML WG it may have gotten lost
14:55:52 <ebruchez> ebruchez has joined #xforms
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14:56:00 <John_Boyer> it went to public-forms, but i cc'd w3c forms
14:56:10 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #xforms
14:56:16 <John_Boyer> zakim, this will be forms
14:56:16 <Zakim> ok, John_Boyer; I see HTML_XForms()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
14:56:19 <Zakim> HTML_XForms()11:00AM has now started
14:56:27 <Zakim> +Rafael
14:56:57 <Roger> Roger has joined #xforms
14:57:19 <Dave> Agenda+ why doesn't W3C Home page have link for "Forms" given this is the Forms WG?
14:57:38 <Zakim> + +49.308.322.aaaa
14:57:41 <Zakim> +John_Boyer
14:57:49 <Rafael> Rafael has joined #Xforms
14:58:05 <jturner> zakim, + +49.308.322.aaaa is me
14:58:05 <Zakim> I don't understand '+ +49.308.322.aaaa is me', jturner
14:58:24 <Steven_> zakim, aaaa is jturner
14:58:24 <Zakim> +jturner; got it
14:58:39 <Roger> zakim, who is here?
14:58:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see Rafael, jturner, John_Boyer
14:58:39 <Dave> zakim, code?
14:58:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see Rafael, Roger, Zakim, Blake, ebruchez, RRSAgent, John_Boyer, Steven_, jturner, Dave
14:58:44 <Zakim> the conference code is 93676 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Dave
14:59:07 <John_Boyer> Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Teleconference
14:59:20 <Zakim> +Dave
14:59:20 <Rafael> Zakim, Rafael has Roger, Rafael
14:59:21 <Zakim> +Roger, Rafael; got it
14:59:34 <John_Boyer> John_Boyer has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Apr/0001.html
14:59:36 <Zakim> + +1.812.535.aabb
15:00:08 <John_Boyer> zakim, aabb is Blake
15:00:08 <Zakim> +Blake; got it
15:00:11 <jturner> zakim, mute me
15:00:13 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:00:14 <Zakim> jturner should now be muted
15:00:15 <Zakim> +Raman
15:00:17 <ebruchez> zakim, [IP is ebruchez
15:00:17 <Zakim> +ebruchez; got it
15:00:34 <ebruchez> hello
15:01:27 <John_Boyer> zakim, who is noisy
15:01:27 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is noisy', John_Boyer
15:01:30 <Dave> zakim, who is making noise?
15:01:41 <Zakim> Dave, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Rafael (9%), Dave (10%), Raman (23%)
15:01:47 <Steven_> zakim, dial steven-617
15:01:47 <Zakim> ok, Steven_; the call is being made
15:01:50 <Zakim> +Steven
15:02:02 <Steven_> zakim, I am Steven
15:02:02 <Zakim> ok, Steven_, I now associate you with Steven
15:02:53 <John_Boyer> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Apr/0001.html
15:03:55 <Nick> Nick has joined #XForms
15:04:07 <Zakim> + +1.703.368.aacc
15:04:08 <lars> lars has joined #xforms
15:04:20 <John_Boyer> Chair: John
15:04:33 <Zakim> +[IBM]
15:04:48 <SusanB> SusanB has joined #xforms
15:04:54 <Zakim> +Nick_van_den_Bleeken
15:05:04 <Steven_> zakim. [ibm is Jan
15:05:11 <David_> David_ has joined #xforms
15:05:17 <Steven_> zakim, [ibm is jan
15:05:20 <Zakim> +jan; got it
15:05:37 <schnitz> schnitz has joined #xforms
15:05:41 <schnitz> zakim, code?
15:05:48 <Darrell> Darrell has joined #xforms
15:06:04 <Zakim> the conference code is 93676 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), schnitz
15:06:05 <Nick> I thhink he replied he wouldnt be here
15:06:10 <Nick> I can take minutes
15:06:20 <Nick> or  at least try
15:06:21 <John_Boyer> Scribe: Nick
15:06:47 <Zakim> +??P18
15:06:55 <schnitz> zakim, ??p18 is me
15:06:55 <Zakim> +schnitz; got it
15:07:02 <schnitz> zakim, mute me
15:07:02 <Zakim> schnitz should now be muted
15:07:14 <Zakim> +??P32
15:07:27 <Nick> Topic: Why no www.w3.org link to forms wg
15:07:42 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:07:43 <John_Boyer> it has link to xforms, not forms
15:07:58 <David_> Zakim, [IP id David_
15:07:59 <Zakim> I don't understand '[IP id David_', David_
15:08:05 <David_> Zakim, [IP is David_
15:08:05 <Zakim> +David_; got it
15:08:08 <Nick> ACTION: Steven to see what should be done to add a link to forms on www.w3.org
15:08:37 <lars> zakim, I am ??P32
15:08:37 <Zakim> +lars; got it
15:08:57 <Nick> Steven: we change our irc channel to forms
15:09:04 <lars> zakim, mute me please
15:09:04 <Zakim> lars should now be muted
15:09:10 <Nick> Steven lets keep it all form
15:09:25 <Steven_> s/form/forms/
15:09:33 <Nick> ACTION: Steven change our code to FORM on zakim
15:09:46 <John_Boyer> s/FORM/FORMS
15:09:49 <Zakim> + +1.613.940.aadd
15:10:11 <Darrell> zakim, +1.613.940.aadd is me
15:10:11 <Zakim> +Darrell; got it
15:10:39 <John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/2002/Forms/Activity.html
15:10:41 <Nick> John: Our activity statements links to xforms
15:12:13 <Nick> ACTION: Steven Update http://www.w3.org/2002/Forms/Activity.html so it is 'Forms' in the navigation bar at the right
15:12:44 <Nick> John: Forms WG page is already updated (changed XForms to Forms)
15:13:00 <Nick> TOPIC: XForms Conference at XML Conference 
15:13:09 <Nick> John: Nothing is done yet
15:13:29 <Steven_> zakim, mute me
15:13:29 <Zakim> Steven should now be muted
15:13:31 <Nick> TOPIC: XForms 1.1
15:13:53 <Nick> John: Voice WG wants us to extend our last call period
15:13:55 <Steven_> ack me
15:14:12 <Nick> John: Should we publicly anounce that we extend our LC period
15:14:23 <Steven_> zakim, mute me
15:14:23 <Zakim> Steven should now be muted
15:14:29 <Nick> Steven: Then we should sent an e)-mail to all chairs
15:14:48 <Steven_> ack me
15:14:51 <Nick> John: We want to produce CR by end of next F2F meeting?
15:15:11 <Nick> Steven: All LC comments two weeks before next F2F, so we can triage them
15:15:24 <Nick> John: Should we extend the LC to the end of April?
15:15:45 <Nick> Steven: anything till the end of may should be OK for us
15:15:54 <Nick> Steven: Should we say mid may
15:16:04 <Nick> John: I prefer end of april
15:16:08 <Steven_> zakim, mute me
15:16:08 <Zakim> Steven should now be muted
15:16:22 <Nick> RESOLUTION: Extend the LC period to the end of April
15:16:42 <Steven_> ack me
15:16:50 <Nick> Raman: Are we going to take XForms Basic to PR?
15:17:04 <Nick> Steven: I thing we should take it to REC
15:17:24 <Steven_> zakim, who is here?
15:17:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see Rafael, jturner (muted), John_Boyer, Dave, Blake, ebruchez, Raman, Steven, +1.703.368.aacc, jan, Nick_van_den_Bleeken (muted), schnitz (muted), lars (muted),
15:17:27 <Zakim> ... David_, Darrell
15:17:28 <Zakim> Rafael has Roger, Rafael
15:17:28 <Steven_> zakim, code?
15:17:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see Darrell, schnitz, David_, SusanB, lars, Nick, Rafael, Roger, Zakim, Blake, ebruchez, RRSAgent, John_Boyer, Steven_, jturner, Dave
15:17:31 <Zakim> the conference code is 93676 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Steven_
15:17:38 <David_> I'm here but cannot speak
15:17:44 <Nick> John: David has aggread to work on a profile for mobile
15:17:53 <John_Boyer> ok, David, thanks
15:17:56 <David_> John: That is true
15:18:28 <Nick> John: If Leigh is back we will see what needs to be done for Basic
15:19:07 <Nick> Steven: We should work on it again, we are now rechartered
15:19:26 <David_> We can participate in the call
15:19:49 <Nick> John: Maybe david should stand up in a call to say that they implemented it
15:21:52 <Nick> ACTION: Steven setup call for XForms Basic 1.0 (including John and David)
15:22:23 <Nick> ACTION: Steven to increase slots on zakim
15:22:30 <Steven_> http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms-basic/
15:23:19 <Nick> John: This is the document http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms-basic/ that we will take in to the phone call
15:23:32 <Nick> Steven: There is a PR version somewhere
15:23:56 <Nick> John: We should move it to the public space
15:24:15 <Nick> ACTION: John move PR version of XForms basic to the public space
15:24:37 <Zakim> + +44.442.087.61.aaee
15:24:43 <Nick> TOPIC: XForms transitional
15:24:47 <schnitz> zakim, unmute me
15:24:47 <Zakim> schnitz should no longer be muted
15:24:58 <Nick> Raman: I don't think it is a good idea
15:25:21 <Nick> Dave: I think it is, there are good technical issues
15:25:33 <Steven_> zakim, mute me
15:25:33 <Zakim> Steven should now be muted
15:25:51 <Nick> Raman: Not sure when the traskforce will be operational
15:26:11 <Steven_> zakim, aaee is MarkB
15:26:11 <Zakim> +MarkB; got it
15:26:21 <Steven_> zakim, who is here?
15:26:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see Rafael, jturner (muted), John_Boyer, Dave, Blake, ebruchez, Raman, Steven (muted), +1.703.368.aacc, jan, Nick_van_den_Bleeken (muted), schnitz, lars (muted),
15:26:25 <Zakim> ... David_, Darrell, MarkB
15:26:26 <Zakim> Rafael has Roger, Rafael
15:26:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see Darrell, schnitz, David_, SusanB, lars, Nick, Rafael, Roger, Zakim, Blake, ebruchez, RRSAgent, John_Boyer, Steven_, jturner, Dave
15:26:50 <Steven_> who is phoning from area code 703?
15:26:51 <Nick> Raman: It can damage XForms more then it will do good
15:27:13 <Nick> Raman: We should attach the name XForms to it
15:29:13 <Nick> John: Dan is now aware of future vision document
15:29:31 <Steven_> Draft version of Basic PR: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/Group/Drafts/xforms-basic-20061109.html
15:30:17 <Nick> Raman: Dave's work isn't complete yet, but looks good, but it isn't that mature as WEB Forms 2
15:30:30 <Dave> q+
15:30:39 <schnitz> q+
15:30:51 <Dave> ack Dave
15:31:53 <Nick> Dave: the task force should talk about the features, Ian can be editor
15:32:08 <Nick> John: There should be two editors one of the two groups
15:32:54 <Nick> Schnitz: now is the time to make xforms transitional mature
15:33:15 <Dave> Dave missed Eric Raymond's email reviewing XFT
15:33:29 <Nick> Schnitz: we should do it in combination with the html wg
15:35:00 <Nick> zakim, mute me
15:35:00 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken was already muted, Nick
15:35:20 <schnitz> ack schnitz
15:35:36 <Nick> dave: We should engage to work in forms taskforce
15:36:02 <Nick> s/dave: We should engage to work in forms taskforce/John: We should engage to work in forms taskforce
15:36:04 <Steven_> Shane is reinitialising the issues list now
15:36:10 <Steven_> should be reset within 5 mins
15:36:22 <John_Boyer> thx
15:37:06 <Nick> John: We need taskforce memebers
15:37:18 <Steven_> issues list done
15:37:19 <Nick> Schnitz: Now is not the time yet
15:37:33 <Nick> John: They should produce a WD in June
15:38:03 <Nick> John: We should wait till the grace period ends
15:38:26 <Nick> Schnitz:We should wait till the html wg has a second chair
15:38:54 <Nick> Schnitz:So the can decide who can join the Taskforce from the html WG
15:39:09 <Zakim> -Raman
15:39:31 <schnitz> zakim, mute me
15:39:31 <Zakim> schnitz should now be muted
15:39:33 <Nick> TOPIC: Backplane
15:39:58 <Nick> John: Charlie isn't here, so nothing to discuss now
15:40:14 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Mar/0057.html
15:40:34 <Nick> TOPIC: Complex type validation issue
15:40:37 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Mar/0057.html
15:40:47 <ebruchez> (I am leaving the call for 5 minutes)
15:41:59 <Nick> John: We should answer his updated answer
15:42:12 <Nick> John: Can anyone reply?
15:42:39 <Nick> John: We leave it on the agenda
15:42:54 <Nick> TOPIC: Version attribute follow-up 
15:43:00 <Nick> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-forms/2007JanMar/0233.html 
15:43:15 <Nick> John: We talked about it prev. week
15:43:35 <schnitz> zakim, unmute me
15:43:35 <Zakim> schnitz should no longer be muted
15:43:38 <Nick> John: I wonder if versioning xforms a host language issue
15:43:44 <schnitz> q+
15:44:39 <Nick> Schnitz: will the xforms version on the hostlange, or does the profile defines the xforms version in the hostlanguage
15:45:08 <Nick> Schnitz: If it is a profile then it is a CDF issue
15:45:32 <ebruchez> back
15:45:57 <Nick> John: isn't it just a CDF issue
15:46:44 <Nick> Schnitz: Maybe we should find out
15:47:11 <John_Boyer> Schnitz: We believe there should in fact be a version for XForms itself
15:47:32 <John_Boyer> Schnitz: not just a looser interpretation
15:47:42 <John_Boyer> Schnitz: from the host langauge
15:47:55 <Nick> MarkB: Two aspects, does the processor needs to know what version he is dealing with (for backwards compatiblity), It is usefull for authors to know with version the document is
15:48:29 <John_Boyer> MarkB: it becomes really clear in new samples of XForms 1.1 that you need to have a 1.1 processor for it to work
15:49:24 <John_Boyer> Schnitz and MarkB: should make a global xf:version attribute available to the host language
15:49:27 <Nick> MarkB: We have a attribute that the hostlanguage can use to flag the version
15:50:29 <Nick> Schnitz: It can make a difference if you have a transformational processor
15:51:12 <jturner> zakim, unmute me
15:51:12 <Zakim> jturner should no longer be muted
15:51:39 <Nick> John: Can someone (MarkB, Or schints) post a LC comments to introduce a global attribute for versioning as an improvement
15:52:24 <Steven_> http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues is now empty
15:53:10 <Nick> ACTION: MarkB to send LC comments to introduce a global attribute for versioning as an improvement
15:53:23 <schnitz> zakim, mute me
15:53:23 <Zakim> schnitz should now be muted
15:53:58 <jturner> zakim, mute me
15:53:58 <Zakim> jturner should now be muted
15:54:21 <Nick> TOPIC: Problems with deleting the context node 
15:54:47 <Nick> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Feb/0027.html 
15:54:47 <Nick> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Feb/0027.html 
15:55:35 <Nick> John: I want to have the ability to have tables that always have one row
15:55:45 <Zakim> -David_
15:56:32 <Nick> John: If you delete the context node all subsequent actions thet use the context will fail afterwards
15:56:37 <ebruchez> tough one
15:57:43 <Dave> q+ to ask about repeat-min, repeat-max
15:57:51 <schnitz> ack schnitz
15:57:59 <Nick> John: Now I need to,if I want to delete the last node, insert first, use set index to the second item, and then do the delete
15:58:05 <Dave> ack Dave
15:58:05 <Zakim> Dave, you wanted to ask about repeat-min, repeat-max
15:58:33 <Nick> Dave: shouldnt we use a declerative way to define a reapeat min and repeat max
15:59:09 <Nick> John: In XForms 1.1 we make the insert and delete dom mutation actions
16:00:09 <Nick> John: Steven asked to do this use cases in a more declerative way, but that wil prob. not just require one attribute, it will require extra events,...
16:01:36 <Zakim> -jan
16:01:38 <Zakim> -Darrell
16:01:39 <Nick> John: Can everyone please look to the next three action items in the agenda
16:01:44 <Zakim> -MarkB
16:01:48 <Zakim> -ebruchez
16:01:50 <Zakim> -lars
16:01:52 <Zakim> -Steven
16:02:02 <Zakim> -Blake
16:02:04 <Zakim> -Dave
16:02:04 <John_Boyer> s/action/issues
16:02:08 <Zakim> -Rafael
16:02:12 <Zakim> -John_Boyer
16:02:14 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make log public
16:02:15 <jturner> jturner has left #xforms
16:02:16 <Zakim> -jturner
16:02:18 <Zakim> -schnitz
16:02:20 <Zakim> - +1.703.368.aacc
16:02:28 <Steven_> who was 703?
16:02:36 <Nick> John: They are technical, and some preperation may be necessary
16:02:52 <John_Boyer> s/may be/is
16:02:54 <Zakim> -Nick_van_den_Bleeken
16:02:56 <Zakim> HTML_XForms()11:00AM has ended
16:02:58 <Zakim> Attendees were +49.308.322.aaaa, John_Boyer, jturner, Dave, Roger, Rafael, +1.812.535.aabb, Blake, [IPcaller], Raman, ebruchez, Steven, +1.703.368.aacc, [IBM],
16:03:01 <Zakim> ... Nick_van_den_Bleeken, jan, schnitz, David_, lars, Darrell, +44.442.087.61.aaee, MarkB
16:03:08 <Steven_> rrsagent, make minutes
16:03:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/04-xforms-minutes.html Steven_
16:03:11 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make minutes
16:03:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/04-xforms-minutes.html John_Boyer
16:03:19 <John_Boyer> oh, thanks steven!
16:03:39 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, bye
16:03:39 <RRSAgent> I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/04-xforms-actions.rdf :
16:03:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven to see what should be done to add a link to forms on www.w3.org [1]
16:03:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/04-xforms-irc#T15-08-08
16:03:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven change our code to FORM on zakim [2]
16:03:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/04-xforms-irc#T15-09-33
16:03:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven Update http://www.w3.org/2002/Forms/Activity.html so it is 'Forms' in the navigation bar at the right [3]
16:03:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/04-xforms-irc#T15-12-13
16:03:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven setup call for XForms Basic 1.0 (including John and David) [4]
16:03:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/04-xforms-irc#T15-21-52
16:03:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven to increase slots on zakim [5]
16:03:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/04-xforms-irc#T15-22-23
16:03:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: John move PR version of XForms basic to the public space [6]
16:03:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/04-xforms-irc#T15-24-15
16:03:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: MarkB to send LC comments to introduce a global attribute for versioning as an improvement [7]
16:03:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/04-xforms-irc#T15-53-10
16:03:54 <Blake> bye