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14:00:09 <Steven> rrsagent,make log world
14:00:16 <Steven> zakim, this will be html
14:00:16 <Zakim> ok, Steven, I see HTML_WG()10:00AM already started
14:00:21 <Zakim> +??P12
14:00:24 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
14:00:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IBM], ??P12
14:00:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, ShaneM, Steven
14:00:30 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
14:00:30 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
14:00:32 <Zakim> +Steven
14:01:06 <Steven> zakim, mute rich
14:01:06 <Zakim> sorry, Steven, I do not know which phone connection belongs to rich
14:01:14 <Steven> zakim, [ibm is Rich
14:01:14 <Zakim> +Rich; got it
14:01:19 <Steven> zakim, mute rich
14:01:19 <Zakim> Rich should now be muted
14:01:27 <Steven> zakim, ack rich
14:01:27 <Zakim> unmuting Rich
14:01:28 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:02:02 <Steven> Meeting: XHTML2 WG Teleconference
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14:03:06 <yamx> Which tel number will we use?
14:03:20 <ShaneM> zakim, #html 
14:03:20 <Zakim> I don't understand '#html', ShaneM
14:03:24 <ShaneM> lol 
14:03:32 <yamx> The same as the past weeks?
14:04:07 <Steven> Regrets: Melinda, Alessio
14:05:00 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Apr/0000
14:05:06 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Apr/0000
14:05:15 <Steven> Chair: Steven
14:05:23 <Steven> Scribe: Shane
14:05:51 <Zakim> + +44.442.087.61.aaaa
14:05:54 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to check IE form for Shane [recorded in   
14:05:54 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/28-html-minutes.html#action01]
14:05:57 <Steven> -- Done
14:05:59 <Zakim> +??P24
14:06:21 <ShaneM>  zakim, P24 is yam
14:06:21 <Zakim> sorry, ShaneM, I do not recognize a party named 'P24'
14:06:31 <ShaneM>  zakim, ??P24 is yam
14:06:31 <Zakim> +yam; got it
14:06:53 <ShaneM>  Topic: Rechartering
14:07:09 <ShaneM>  Shane and Steven had a meeting with ChrisL and IanJ.  Working through some issues.
14:07:33 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Remember to ensure you are a member of the XHTML 2 working group by contacting your AC rep.
14:07:56 <ShaneM>  AC representatives have the appropriate form already.
14:08:56 <ShaneM>  Remember that you should only send mail to the public-xhtml2 mailing list.  The old working group mailing list is deprecated.
14:10:28 <ShaneM>  This mailing list is viewable by the public, but only working group members can join the mailing list.
14:10:39 <ShaneM>  ACTION: starting next week change IRC channels to #xhtml.
14:10:49 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Steven to send a message about the new logistics.
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14:11:57 <ShaneM>  A live drafts page will be available at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts
14:12:11 <ShaneM>  TOPIC: RDFa and Shane's Questions
14:14:07 <ShaneM>  Should @href be indicated as being "clickable" or "actuatable" in the module specification?
14:14:38 <ShaneM>  This was discussed at the RDFa meeting this week.
14:14:56 <ShaneM>  Steven believes that we should NOT require this in the context of XHTML 1.1 becuase it just won't happen.  
14:16:58 <ShaneM>  Shane thinks that @href means "link youcan follow" and if we make it global, it needs to mean that everywhere.
14:18:21 <ShaneM>  Mark suggests that the RDFa spec doesn't need to say anything about the clickability.  And if we need to specify that, we could do it in a separate document.  
14:18:39 <ShaneM>  Rich wants to know what semantics RDFa adds to href?
14:19:05 <ShaneM>  Mark indicated that it has some meaning when interpreted by an RDFa processor.  In that context @href means the object of a triple.  It has no other meaning in "RDFa"
14:21:34 <ShaneM>  Mark points out that rel="stylesheet" or rel="alternate stylesheet" has some semantics too.... but that needs to be defined elsewhere.  It has nothing to do with RDFa
14:23:20 <ShaneM>  RESOLVED: remove the clickability from @href in RDFa
14:23:59 <ShaneM>  Mark indicated that "rarification" is going to go away from RDFa.  Shane asked what we should change specifically?
14:24:41 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-html-wg/2007JanMar/0070
14:25:20 <Steven> RDFa: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Group/2007/ED-xhtml-rdfa-20070317/
14:28:44 <Steven> XHTML2: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/mod-metaAttributes.html#sec_24.2.
14:30:12 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Steven to propose a rephrasing of the about atribute inheritance rules.
14:31:26 <ShaneM>  Topic: @profile vs. rel=profile
14:33:07 <ShaneM>  RESOLVED: Stipulate that @rel="profile" is equivalent to @profile.
14:33:28 <ShaneM>  Mark thinks that @profile needs to be included in this specification. 
14:33:40 <ShaneM>  Shane says it is in M12N already; all we need to do is reference it.
14:35:05 <Zakim> -Rich
14:35:26 <Zakim> +[IBM]
14:35:36 <ShaneM>  Zakim, [IBM is Rich
14:35:36 <Zakim> +Rich; got it
14:35:51 <ShaneM>  Topic: @class and RDFa
14:37:23 <ShaneM>  Mark thinks RDFa needs class around.  Shane thinks that class comes from M12N. 
14:37:47 <ShaneM>  Steven points out that the RDFa modules document can easily require the presence of the xhtml:class attribute
14:39:04 <ShaneM>  Steven is concerned about using class because class has not been traditionally a QName....  Steven things that @role is a better vehicle becuase it is a QName already
14:42:59 <ShaneM>  Mark has an idea that we could overlaod class to do lots of things, possibly even removing the @property attribute
14:44:05 <ShaneM>  RESOLVED: ensure that the class attribute is required by RDFa.  Note that this means xhtml:id and xhtml:title are required as well.  The Core attributes.
14:47:34 <ShaneM>  Mark thinks that a resulting markup language needs to incorporate @role via the Role Attribute Module.
14:48:22 <ShaneM>  Steven thinks we could require @role via the RDFa module.  Mark thinks that there is no reason unless role maps to rdf:type
14:51:15 <ShaneM>  Rich feels role should be equivalent to an rdf:type
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14:53:24 <ShaneM>  ...arcane discussion about role vs type ...
14:59:59 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Mark to write up stuff about role as predicate.
15:00:23 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Shane to include the role module into the example xhtml+rdfa driver
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15:01:33 <Zakim> -yam
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15:01:35 <Zakim> HTML_WG()10:00AM has ended
15:01:36 <Zakim> Attendees were [IBM], Steven, Rich, +44.442.087.61.aaaa, yam
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15:05:50 <Steven_> rrsagent, make minutes
15:05:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/04-html-minutes.html Steven_
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