19:59:48 RRSAgent has joined #wai-wcag 19:59:48 logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-wai-wcag-irc 19:59:57 RRSAgent, do not start a new log 20:00:01 RRSAgent, make log world 20:00:06 zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG 20:00:06 ok, ben_, I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM already started 20:00:10 Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon 20:00:28 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007JanMar/0260.html 20:00:33 zakim, who is on the phone? 20:00:33 On the phone I see Bruce_Bailey, ??P9 20:00:45 zakim, ??P9 is Gregg_and_Ben 20:00:45 +Gregg_and_Ben; got it 20:00:55 Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden, Loretta_Guarino_Reid 20:01:00 ScribeOptions: -scribeOnly 20:01:12 +??P10 20:01:23 Tim has joined #wai-wcag 20:01:24 +Cooper 20:01:32 +[IPcaller] 20:01:36 zakim, ??P10 is Bengt_Farre 20:01:36 +Bengt_Farre; got it 20:01:39 Regrets: David_MacDonald, Sofia_Celic 20:01:40 +??P11 20:01:44 Zakim, [IPcaller] is Roberto_Ellero 20:01:44 +Roberto_Ellero; got it 20:01:51 +[IBM] 20:01:54 Zakim, mute Roberto_Ellero 20:01:54 Roberto_Ellero should now be muted 20:02:35 +Don_Evans 20:02:49 agenda+ 29 March Miscellaneous Survey 20:03:00 agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates 20:03:15 I'm having trouble getting in on the phone - keeps ringing busy 20:03:29 -Don_Evans 20:04:00 +Christophe_Strobbe 20:04:33 +Tim_Boland 20:05:14 scribe: Tim_Boland 20:05:17 scribeNick: Tim 20:05:28 Loretta has joined #wai-wcag 20:05:59 +Loretta_Guarino_Reid 20:06:04 +[Microsoft] 20:06:12 +Don_Evans 20:06:17 zakim, Microsoft is Cynthia_Shelly 20:06:17 +Cynthia_Shelly; got it 20:06:53 Topic: Announcements, Questions, and Updates 20:06:57 agenda? 20:07:02 zakim, take up agendum 2 20:07:02 agendum 2. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from ben_] 20:07:38 Bruce Bailey is joining US Access Board and will continue in WG 20:08:00 jslatin has joined #wai-wcag 20:08:23 zakim, close this item 20:08:23 agendum 2 closed 20:08:24 I see 1 item remaining on the agenda: 20:08:25 1. 29 March Miscellaneous Survey [from ben_] 20:08:32 zakim, take up agendum 1 20:08:32 agendum 1. "29 March Miscellaneous Survey" taken up [from ben_] 20:08:55 agenda+ overview of what's left 20:09:16 agenda+ discussion of misc. items 20:10:40 +Alex_Li 20:11:12 current trend is that cognitive meeting will be Tuesday April 10 20:11:35 ..maybe 8-9AM EST 20:12:18 anybody from this WG is invited to participate, but let Loretta know 20:13:13 +John_Slatin 20:14:46 Topic: 29 March Miscellaneous Survey 20:15:15 Topic: Response to Issues Regarding Validity 20:18:44 ack Cynthia 20:18:45 q+ 20:19:14 q+ to say non-standard DTD doesn't solve problem 20:19:35 ack Andi 20:20:02 q- 20:20:27 q+ 20:20:29 ack Alex 20:21:41 +[Microsoft] 20:21:57 ack Gregg 20:24:26 q+ 20:25:39 ack Andi 20:28:01 Resolution: close as proposed 20:28:31 ACTION: All to submit relevant examples 20:29:07 Topic: LC-587 20:34:48 -Roberto_Ellero 20:36:44 rellero_ has joined #wai-wcag 20:37:10 -Bruce_Bailey 20:37:37 +[IPcaller] 20:37:42 Zakim, [IPcaller] is Roberto_Ellero 20:37:42 +Roberto_Ellero; got it 20:37:50 Zakim, mute Roberto_Ellero 20:37:50 Roberto_Ellero should now be muted 20:38:34 +Bruce_Bailey 20:39:25 ack John 20:40:32 q+ 20:40:40 ack Andi 20:41:59 -Bruce_Bailey 20:42:33 ack John 20:42:45 +Bruce_Bailey 20:45:07 ack Bruce 20:46:12 ack John 20:47:13 ack Cynthia 20:50:13 ack John 20:51:48 q+ 20:52:40 ack Loretta 20:58:20 ack c 20:59:48 ack John 21:00:51 q+ 21:02:19 Current test for the failures starts: "For all input elements of type text, file or password, for all textareas and for all select elements in the Web unit" 21:03:34 ack Loretta 21:07:46 Resolution: reintroduction of 4.1.3 fails 21:08:32 Resolution: add failure to 1.3.1: due to its association 21:10:40 previous resolution restated: add "failure to sc1.3.1 due to association of label and user interface control not being programmatically determinable" 21:12:35 Resolution: delete 1.3.1 failure related to issue 654 21:17:06 ACTION: Loretta to write advisory technique for 1.3.1 and 2.4.5 that reads:"provide labels for all user interface controls except xxx", and write response to 654 that says:"names required in 4.1.2 and labels are recommended in 1.3.1 and 2.4.5" 21:17:52 Topic: New Technique overcome by events 21:18:39 Topic: 4.1.1 and "parsed unambiguously" 21:26:24 "Content implemented using markup languages has elements with complete start and end tags, except as allowed by their specification, and are nested according to their specification." 21:26:24 21:26:24 Note 1: This includes start and end tags that are broken due to missing a critical character in their formation, such as a closing angle bracket or a mismatched attribute value quote. 21:30:53 Resolution: close 4.1.1 issues with proposal as amended 21:31:21 Topic: sc2.4.6 (taborder) 21:31:23 -Roberto_Ellero 21:34:43 q+ 21:35:13 ack Loretta 21:41:00 ack JOhn 21:43:52 q+ 21:44:42 -Don_Evans 21:45:08 q+ 21:45:11 ack Loretta 21:47:08 ack Cynthia 21:47:17 ack Gregg 21:48:34 When the sequence in which content is presented affects its meaning, a correct reading sequence can be programmatically determined and sequential navigation of interactive components is consistent with that sequence. 22:02:24 Resolution: make the proposed "a" the new 2.4.6 and use Loretta's language for new 1.3.3 22:03:02 ack John 22:03:45 -Christophe_Strobbe 22:04:47 +Christophe_Strobbe 22:05:37 Zakim, who is on the phone? 22:05:37 On the phone I see Gregg_and_Ben, Bengt_Farre, Cooper, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Tim_Boland, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Cynthia_Shelly, Alex_Li, John_Slatin, Sean_Hayes, 22:05:40 ... Bruce_Bailey, Christophe_Strobbe 22:06:44 RRSAgent, pointer? 22:06:44 See http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-wai-wcag-irc#T22-06-44 22:07:57 Present: Gregg_Vanderheiden, Ben_Caldwell, Bengt_Farre, Michael_Cooper, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Tim_Boland, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Cynthia_Shelly, Alex_Li, John_Slatin, Sean_Hayes, Bruce_Bailey, Christophe_Strobbe, Don_Evans 22:10:22 -Andi_Snow-Weaver 22:10:24 -Alex_Li 22:10:25 -Cynthia_Shelly 22:10:26 -Katie_Haritos-Shea 22:10:26 -Tim_Boland 22:10:28 -Sean_Hayes 22:10:29 -Bengt_Farre 22:10:30 -Gregg_and_Ben 22:10:32 -John_Slatin 22:10:33 -Loretta_Guarino_Reid 22:10:34 -Cooper 22:10:35 -Christophe_Strobbe 22:10:40 bengt has left #wai-wcag 22:10:40 -Bruce_Bailey 22:10:41 WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended 22:10:42 Attendees were Bruce_Bailey, Gregg_and_Ben, Cooper, Bengt_Farre, Roberto_Ellero, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Don_Evans, Christophe_Strobbe, Tim_Boland, 22:10:44 ... Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Cynthia_Shelly, Alex_Li, John_Slatin, Sean_Hayes 22:11:03 shawn has joined #wai-wcag 22:11:16 RRSAgent, bye 22:11:16 I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-wai-wcag-actions.rdf : 22:11:16 ACTION: All to submit relevant examples [1] 22:11:16 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-wai-wcag-irc#T20-28-31 22:11:16 ACTION: Loretta to write advisory technique for 1.3.1 and 2.4.5 that reads:"provide labels for all user interface controls except xxx", and write response to 654 that says:"names required in 4.1.2 and labels are recommended in 1.3.1 and 2.4.5" [2] 22:11:16 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-wai-wcag-irc#T21-17-06 22:11:29 zakim, bye