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15:50:52 <raphael> raphael has changed the topic to: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 29-03-2007, 16:00 UTC
15:50:58 <raphael> Meeting: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 29-03-2007, 16:00 UTC
15:51:08 <raphael> zakim, list conferences
15:51:08 <Zakim> I see GA_WebCGM()11:00AM, XML_PMWG()11:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM, XML_SchemaW(f2f)9:00AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, WAI_Team()10:30AM active
15:51:11 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are Style_XSL WG()12:00PM, DIG_TAMI()11:00AM, I18N_Core_WG(WS-I18N)11:00AM, INC_MMSEM()12:00PM, SYMM_TTWG()12:00PM, WS_DescWG()11:00AM
15:51:22 <raphael> zakim, this will be INC_MMSEM
15:51:22 <Zakim> ok, raphael; I see INC_MMSEM()12:00PM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
15:51:27 <raphael> Meeting: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 29-03-2007, 16:00 UTC
15:51:32 <raphael> Chair: Jeff, Raphael
15:51:39 <raphael> Scribe: Zeljko
15:51:55 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Mar/0063.html
15:52:04 <raphael> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:52:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
15:52:12 <raphael> RRSAgent, make logs public
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15:53:47 <raphael> Regrets: Tobias, Vassilis, Roberto, Chris, Sofia, Pasquale, Ioannis, Melli, Michael
15:53:55 <raphael> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:53:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
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15:55:02 <JeffP> Hi Raphael
15:55:04 <chrisa_stamatia> yes, we are together in Chania, working on the deliverable
15:55:07 <JeffP> Hi guys
15:55:14 <chrisa_stamatia> hi all!
15:55:27 <JeffP> I mean "Hi ladies"
15:55:34 <chrisa_stamatia> yeap!
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15:56:28 <chrisa_stamatia> we have some concerns on the schedule, it is a bit tight given the Eastern...
15:57:49 <Zakim> INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has now started
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15:58:21 <Zakim> INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has ended
15:58:22 <Zakim> Attendees were +31.20.592.aaaa
15:58:24 <Zakim> INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has now started
15:58:33 <Zakim> +Thomas_Franz
15:58:52 <Zakim> +[CWI]
15:59:06 <Zakim> + +31.20.592.aaaa
15:59:12 <raphael> zakim, [CWI] is Raphael
15:59:12 <Zakim> +Raphael; got it
15:59:29 <raphael> zakim, +31.20.592.aaaa is Zeljko
15:59:29 <Zakim> +Zeljko; got it
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16:00:03 <raphael> zakim, who is making noise?
16:00:08 <Zakim> +Jeff_Pan
16:00:14 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:00:15 <Zakim> raphael, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Raphael (32%), Thomas_Franz (5%), ??P13 (23%)
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16:00:46 <raphael> zakim, IPcaller is GiovanniTumarello
16:00:46 <Zakim> +GiovanniTumarello; got it
16:00:58 <Zakim> + +39.050.aabb
16:01:30 <raphael> zakim, +39.050.aabb is Suzanne_Massimo
16:01:30 <Zakim> +Suzanne_Massimo; got it
16:01:50 <raphael> zakim, who is here?
16:01:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see Thomas_Franz, Raphael, Zeljko, Jeff_Pan, GiovanniTumarello, Suzanne_Massimo
16:01:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see ocelma, zeljko, ThomasFranz, JeffP, chrisa_stamatia, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael, alessio
16:02:01 <ocelma> raphael: i did the call via the Spanish dial-in number, but not sure whether it worked (lots of music, but still waiting...)
16:02:21 <Zakim> + +0329331aacc
16:02:47 <ocelma> ok
16:03:05 <Chris_Erik_Gaetan> Chris_Erik_Gaetan has joined #mmsem
16:03:34 <raphael> zakim, +0329331aacc is Chris_Erik_Gaetan
16:03:34 <Zakim> +Chris_Erik_Gaetan; got it
16:03:40 <raphael> zakim, who is making noise?
16:03:51 <Zakim> raphael, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Raphael (29%), GiovanniTumarello (10%), Thomas_Franz (20%), Chris_Erik_Gaetan (15%), Jeff_Pan (50%)
16:04:11 <Zakim> +??P0
16:04:20 <raphael> zakim, mute GiovanniTumarello
16:04:20 <Zakim> GiovanniTumarello should now be muted
16:04:31 <zeljko> Scribe: Zeljko
16:04:34 <raphael> zakim, ??Pà is Oscar
16:04:34 <Zakim> sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named '??Pà'
16:04:40 <raphael> zakim, ??P0 is Oscar
16:04:40 <Zakim> +Oscar; got it
16:04:52 <raphael> Topic: 1. ADMIN
16:05:31 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:05:31 <raphael> zakim, mute Thomas_Franz
16:05:32 <Zakim> Thomas_Franz should now be muted
16:05:45 <raphael> zakim, IPcaller is SusanneBoll
16:05:45 <Zakim> +SusanneBoll; got it
16:05:54 <raphael> zakim, who is making noise?
16:06:04 <Zakim> raphael, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: SusanneBoll (57%), Chris_Erik_Gaetan (33%)
16:06:14 <raphael> zakim, mute SusanneBoll
16:06:14 <Zakim> SusanneBoll should now be muted
16:06:25 <raphael> zakim, mute Chirs_Erik_Gaetan
16:06:25 <Zakim> sorry, raphael, I do not know which phone connection belongs to Chirs_Erik_Gaetan
16:06:32 <raphael> zakim, mute Chris_Erik_Gaetan
16:06:32 <Zakim> Chris_Erik_Gaetan should now be muted
16:07:14 <zeljko> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 15th March 2007 telecon
16:07:34 <zeljko> RESOLUTION: accepted the minutes of the 15th March 2007 telecon
16:07:47 <zeljko> RESOLUTION: Next telecon scheduled: 13th April 2007
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16:07:57 <zeljko> Topic: 2. LINKS Pages
16:08:09 <zeljko> Vocabularies page
16:08:32 <zeljko> ACTION: Michael to prepare a stable TR Voc page for review by next telecon [PENDING]
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16:08:58 <raphael> Tools page
16:09:12 <raphael> Comments from Raphael: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Mar/0062.html
16:10:14 <zeljko> Linking tools page and use cases
16:10:28 <raphael> The minutes of 15/03/07: http://www.w3.org/2007/03/15-mmsem-minutes.html
16:10:49 <giovannit> Zakim, who's here?
16:10:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see Thomas_Franz (muted), Raphael, Zeljko, Jeff_Pan, GiovanniTumarello (muted), Suzanne_Massimo, Chris_Erik_Gaetan (muted), Oscar, SusanneBoll (muted)
16:10:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see giovannit, SusanneBoll, Chris_Erik_Gaetan, ocelma, zeljko, ThomasFranz, JeffP, chrisa_stamatia, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael, alessio
16:11:00 <giovannit> Zakim, GiovanniTumarello is me
16:11:00 <Zakim> +giovannit; got it
16:11:58 <zeljko> Links from Use Case pages to Tools pages, but not necessarily other way round
16:12:30 <zeljko> ACTION: Zeljko to rise discussion on links between tool and use cases pages
16:12:54 <zeljko> Additions to tools page
16:13:23 <zeljko> Problems with classifications of tools
16:14:21 <zeljko> Video terms too resctrictive?
16:15:21 <zeljko> Most of video tools also do the other media
16:15:51 <zeljko> Separate mark for multiple media types 
16:16:16 <zeljko> "Multimodal" as an alternative?
16:17:23 <zeljko> Raphael: add text in categories
16:19:25 <zeljko> ACTION: Zeljko to rephrase the introduction to tools classifications
16:19:55 <zeljko> Zeljko: Tools page has also linked from other wiki pages, and vice versa
16:20:19 <zeljko> ACTION: Jeff and Raphael to ask W3C what will happen with wiki after the end of XG
16:20:43 <SusanneBoll> I would also support for keeping the mailing list and Wiki pages active
16:20:47 <zeljko> Jeff: related to extension of XG
16:21:01 <zeljko> Topic: 3. Image Annotation on the Semantic Web Deliverable
16:21:23 <zeljko> ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image Annotation on the Semantic Web document" by next telecon change the css style (XG report) [DONE]
16:21:56 <zeljko> ACTION: Raphael to write to the list email with acceptance for publication
16:22:13 <zeljko> Topic: 4. Interoperability Deliverable
16:22:21 <zeljko> 4.1 Structure (Vassilis, Jeff)
16:22:40 <zeljko> Jeff: fixed minor comments...
16:22:57 <zeljko> ... table of content is now restricted to only two levels...
16:23:09 <zeljko> ... moving all the references to end of the document...
16:23:21 <zeljko> ..minor but time consuming...
16:23:53 <zeljko> ...discuss the use of RDF to improve interoperability...
16:24:11 <SusanneBoll> unmute
16:24:14 <raphael> zakim, unmute SusanneBoll
16:24:14 <Zakim> SusanneBoll should no longer be muted
16:24:41 <zeljko> SusanneBoll: the problem with RDF is that it cannot access the fraction of the resource...
16:24:56 <zeljko> ... rectangle with image, for example...
16:25:28 <zeljko> ...reply sent to the list...
16:25:50 <zeljko> Raphael: well known issue, several possibilities...
16:26:09 <zeljko> ... XML snippet, that define the anchor, and annotation describe that anchor...
16:27:20 <zeljko> ... defines how you define the region, MPEG-7 offers more detailed way...
16:27:39 <zeljko> SusanneBoll: solution, but complicated
16:28:07 <Chris_Erik_Gaetan> DIG35 also has some MPEG-7 like solution for this
16:28:09 <zeljko> Raphael: write to the list concrete problem, to get response about how to od the annotation
16:28:46 <zeljko> SussaneBoll: is there any group/paper about this issues?
16:29:05 <zeljko> Raphael: "Obscure Object of Desire: Metadata on the Web"
16:29:24 <zeljko> Jeff: problem is not about RDF...
16:29:40 <zeljko> ...we need to have some other means to identify regions...
16:29:49 <zeljko> ...meeting with Vasilis...
16:30:47 <zeljko> ...section 3.3 of interoperability deliverable...
16:31:14 <zeljko> ...discussion about the patterns that we can find in the photo use case...
16:31:30 <zeljko> ..relation with algorithm use case...
16:31:47 <zeljko> ...different interoperability requirements of use cases...
16:31:56 <zeljko> ...additional ontologies needed...
16:32:36 <zeljko> ...news use case - interesting illustrations of interoperability problems, but no solutions written in the Wiki...
16:32:57 <zeljko> ...writte all the solutions, and come with common patterns among use cases...
16:33:18 <zeljko> ...add more concrete examples that illustrate both the problem and solution...
16:33:47 <zeljko> Raphael: time scale about filling sections
16:34:10 <zeljko> Jeff: basically ready, interdependency of sections...
16:34:39 <zeljko> ACTION: Jeff and Vasilis to fill 3.1 and 3.2
16:34:52 <zeljko> Topic: 4.2 Music Use case: (Oscar)
16:35:02 <zeljko> ID3 to OWL conversion
16:35:19 <zeljko> Oscar: interesting discussion in the list...
16:35:36 <zeljko> ...implementation between ID3 and music ontology
16:35:54 <zeljko> ...common ideas as there, should not be difficult to implement mapping...
16:36:01 <giovannit> zakim, unmute me
16:36:01 <Zakim> giovannit should no longer be muted
16:36:08 <zeljko> ...finish coding, update the Wiki pages...
16:36:20 <zeljko> Raphael: do not focus on size of Wiki pages...
16:36:32 <zeljko> ..short and focused is goed...
16:36:46 <raphael> q+
16:37:00 <zeljko> John: happy to participate and work with Oscar
16:37:26 <raphael> ACTION: Oscar to update the UC and the interop deliverable PENDING
16:37:47 <raphael> s/John/Giovanni
16:39:50 <zeljko> ACTION: Giovanni to explain in more detail parts of the music use case, defining how to generate play lists
16:40:54 <zeljko> Giovanni: relation with implementation and output of XG (use case description)?
16:41:05 <zeljko> ... actual implementation, or plans, descriptions...
16:41:26 <zeljko> Raphale: XG report text, but can link implementation of systems...
16:42:36 <giovannit> zakim, mute me
16:42:36 <Zakim> giovannit should now be muted
16:43:15 <raphael> ACTION: Oscar to update a possible scenario with classical music PENDING
16:43:40 <zeljko> Topic: 4.3 News Use case: (Thierry, Chris, Raphael)
16:43:47 <zeljko> Raphael: modified the wiki...
16:44:03 <zeljko> ...late, agressive time plan to finish the use case in a week...
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16:44:13 <zeljko> ..focussing the porblems, not clear before...
16:44:25 <zeljko> ...updating examples in wiki pages...
16:44:31 <zeljko> ...solutions are there, documenting them...
16:44:43 <Chris_Erik_Gaetan> +q
16:44:46 <zeljko> Topic: 4.4 Photo Use case: (Susanne Boll, Erik Mannens)
16:45:12 <raphael> zakim, unmute Chris_Erik_Gaetan
16:45:12 <Zakim> Chris_Erik_Gaetan should no longer be muted
16:45:13 <Chris_Erik_Gaetan> unmute me
16:45:28 <zeljko> Chris: 4 thing to say...
16:45:57 <zeljko> ...1. progress from 50% to 85%, done by next teleconf...
16:46:04 <sboll> wow
16:46:05 <zeljko> ...concrete examples...
16:46:12 <raphael> wowwwwwwww BIS :-)
16:46:20 <zeljko> ...2. to more examples
16:46:30 <zeljko> ...3. licencing issues...
16:47:10 <zeljko> ...eager that we use it, but for management commitee they need written request from W3C...
16:47:17 <zeljko> ...but it is gonna be OK...
16:48:02 <zeljko> ACTION: Jeff, Raphael and Chric to ask written W3C about formal written request
16:48:14 <sboll> unmute me
16:48:22 <raphael> s/Chric/Erik
16:48:33 <raphael> zakim, unmute SusanneBoll
16:48:33 <Zakim> SusanneBoll was not muted, raphael
16:49:03 <zeljko> Raphael: report to the list
16:49:40 <raphael> q+
16:49:56 <raphael> zakim, ack Chris_Erik_Gaetan
16:49:56 <Zakim> I see raphael on the speaker queue
16:50:26 <zeljko> SusanneBoll: interesting to look at this new standard
16:50:54 <zeljko> ..should we use it more?
16:51:19 <zeljko> Erik: XMP, look int it, did not do it yet...
16:51:29 <raphael> s/int/into
16:51:29 <zeljko> ...after current work...
16:52:16 <zeljko> SusanneBoll: is standard solving many efforts, or is it still open issue
16:52:42 <zeljko> Chris: ontology on the top of that to combine standards...
16:52:55 <zeljko> ...generate one ontology to combine metadata standards...
16:53:19 <zeljko> Raphael: design an old sschema, is it available?
16:53:26 <raphael> zakim, ack me
16:53:26 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:53:27 <zeljko> ...how to do the tranformations?
16:53:47 <zeljko> Schema is almost done, on th eweb site until next teleconf...
16:53:57 <zeljko> ...not automatic translation...
16:54:10 <raphael> ACTION: Erik to send the URL of the DIG35 OWL Schema by the next telecon
16:54:20 <zeljko> ...develop a simple example, and transfer it into RDF...
16:54:41 <ThomasFranz> zakim, unmute me
16:54:41 <Zakim> Thomas_Franz should no longer be muted
16:54:42 <zeljko> Topic: 4.5 Tagging Use case: (George, Thomas, Raphael)
16:54:58 <zeljko> Thomas: will be two meetings about that in April...
16:54:59 <zeljko> ...
16:55:07 <zeljko> ... in two weeks...
16:55:30 <zeljko> ...discuss possible implementations, but not bring implementation...
16:55:37 <zeljko> ..more frequent meeting after...
16:55:52 <zeljko> ...post outcome of the meetings...
16:56:06 <zeljko> Topic: 4.6 Algorithm representation Use case: (Massimo, Suzanne, Patrizia, Ovidio)
16:56:07 <ThomasFranz> zakim, mute me
16:56:07 <Zakim> Thomas_Franz should now be muted
16:56:36 <zeljko> Jeff: send the comments to the mailing list...
16:57:11 <zeljko> ...pattern not the same for this UC...
16:57:15 <zeljko> ACTION: Jeff and Vassilis to review algorithm representation UC [PENDING]
16:57:28 <zeljko> ACTION: Vassilis to contact Massimo to ask for next steps [DONE]
16:57:50 <zeljko> Massimo: waiting review...
16:58:36 <zeljko> ACTION: Jeff to finish a review in one week
16:58:45 <zeljko> Topic: 4.7 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use case: (Ioannis, Sofia)
16:59:44 <zeljko> Second part of the UC could be dropped?...
17:00:44 <zeljko> Topic: 5. MPEG-7 Deliverable (10')
17:01:12 <zeljko> Raphael: started discussions, established very aggressive work plant ot get documents quickly...
17:01:23 <zeljko> ...keep updated the list about the progress...
17:01:39 <zeljko> Topic: 6. AOB
17:02:14 <zeljko> Jeff: Future of the XG
17:02:32 <raphael> ... discussion on the list about a possible workshop
17:02:46 <zeljko> ...chairs to check the possibilities of extending XG to get the job done...
17:02:53 <Chris_Erik_Gaetan> q+
17:02:57 <zeljko> ...also related to the workshop...
17:03:22 <zeljko> ACTION: Jeff and Raphael to contact W3C about extending XG
17:03:45 <raphael> zakim, ack Chris_Erik_Gaetan
17:03:45 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
17:04:15 <zeljko> Erik: other want to work with us, also big companies...
17:04:39 <sboll> happy easter everybody
17:04:51 <giovannit> see you everybody :-)
17:04:53 <Zakim> -Oscar
17:04:55 <Zakim> -Jeff_Pan
17:04:57 <Zakim> -Chris_Erik_Gaetan
17:04:58 <Zakim> -Suzanne_Massimo
17:04:59 <Zakim> -Raphael
17:05:02 <Zakim> -giovannit
17:05:03 <Zakim> -SusanneBoll
17:05:03 <Zakim> -Thomas_Franz
17:05:07 <ThomasFranz> bye
17:05:09 <Zakim> -Zeljko
17:05:11 <Zakim> INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has ended
17:05:12 <Zakim> Attendees were Thomas_Franz, Raphael, Zeljko, Jeff_Pan, Suzanne_Massimo, Chris_Erik_Gaetan, Oscar, SusanneBoll, giovannit
17:05:13 <chrisa_stamatia> bye!
17:05:36 <raphael> Present: Thomas_Franz, Raphael, Zeljko, Jeff_Pan, Suzanne_Massimo, Chris_Erik_Gaetan, Oscar, SusanneBoll, giovannit
17:05:44 <raphael> zakim, draft minutes
17:05:44 <Zakim> I don't understand 'draft minutes', raphael
17:05:51 <raphael> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:05:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
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