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15:04:41 <sandro> Attendees: Sandro, Francois, Deborah, Harold, MikeDean, Igor, Hassan, Alex, DavidHirtle, DaveReynolds, ChrisW
15:04:46 <Allen> Allen has joined #rif
15:05:02 <sandro> +JosDB
15:05:08 <ChrisW> scribenick: MikeDean
15:05:08 <ChrisW> Scribe: Mike Dean
15:05:15 <sandro> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:05:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/27-rif-minutes.html sandro
15:05:22 <sandro> RRSAgent, make record public
15:06:38 <mdean> has someone imported the agenda?
15:06:40 <sandro> (number of callers - 13)
15:06:40 <ChrisW> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Mar/att-0066/20-rif-minutes.html
15:06:47 <ChrisW> zakim, clear agenda
15:06:47 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:07:12 <sandro> Present: Sandro, Francois, Deborah, Harold, MikeDean, Igor, Hassan, Alex, DavidHirtle, DaveReynolds, ChrisW, JosDB
15:07:13 <ChrisW> agenda+ Admin
15:07:13 <ChrisW> agenda+ Liason
15:07:13 <ChrisW> agenda+ F2F
15:07:13 <ChrisW> agenda+ CORE
15:07:13 <ChrisW> agenda+ UCR
15:07:14 <ChrisW> agenda+ RIFRAF
15:07:16 <ChrisW> agenda+ AOB
15:07:22 <sandro> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:07:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/27-rif-minutes.html sandro
15:07:24 <ChrisW> zakim, next item
15:07:24 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Admin" taken up [from ChrisW]
15:07:33 <sandro> Meeting: RIF Telecon
15:07:49 <mdean> RESOLVED:  minutes accepted
15:07:57 <sandro> Allen, are you on the call?
15:08:08 <mdean> no agenda amendments
15:08:12 <Allen> yes
15:08:15 <sandro> +Allen
15:08:22 <mdean> regular telecon next week - Zakim should be back
15:08:25 <sandro> all telecon slots accounted for.
15:08:30 <ChrisW> zakim, next item
15:08:30 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Liason" taken up [from ChrisW]
15:08:34 <sandro> (ie attendee list is accurate)
15:08:54 <sandro> Chair: ChrisW
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15:09:12 <Hassan> June 2 and 3
15:09:45 <mdean> F2F6 in Innsbruck June 2-3
15:09:54 <mdean> meeting will be at university
15:10:13 <mdean> Jos:  will need count a couple weeks before
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15:10:52 <mdean> action 267 complete
15:11:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/27-rif-minutes.html sandro
15:11:15 <ChrisW> zakim, next item
15:11:15 <Zakim> agendum 3. "F2F" taken up [from ChrisW]
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15:11:56 <mdean> email from Paul on PRR - spec delayed
15:12:09 <mdean> no other liaison news
15:12:12 <ChrisW> zakim, next item
15:12:12 <Zakim> agendum 3 was just opened, ChrisW
15:12:18 <mdean> agenda items 2 and 3 reversed
15:12:33 <sandro> scribenick: mdean
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15:12:43 <mdean> action review
15:13:06 <mdean> action 266 complete by Deborah
15:13:30 <mdean> action 269 completed
15:13:34 <mdean> by harold
15:13:49 <mdean> action 270 complete by harold
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15:14:07 <mdean> action 273 complete by mkifer
15:14:27 <josb> q+
15:14:34 <ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/core/draft-20070323.html
15:14:41 <mdean> Working Draft - frozen March 23 version
15:14:52 <Deborah_Nichols> q+
15:15:01 <AxelPolleres> AxelPolleres has changed the topic to: ZAKIM IS DOWN.   USE 1-712-580-1800 INSTEAD.   Same conference code, 74394#.   "6" mutes and unmutes.
15:15:31 <mdean> josb:  possible confusion over general framework vs. RIF Core dialect - not yet introduced
15:15:43 <mdean> josb:  suggest changing intro text
15:16:02 <AxelPolleres> AxelPolleres has changed the topic to: ZAKIM IS DOWN.   USE 1-712-580-1800 INSTEAD.   Same conference code, 74394#.   "6" mutes and unmutes.
15:16:10 <AxelPolleres> sorry
15:16:22 <Hassan> It shouldn't
15:16:29 <mdean> josb:  doesn't present dialect itself
15:16:49 <mdean> ChrisW:  should RIF Core be a dialect?
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15:17:21 <mdean> mkifer:  document presents more than RIF Core, but much less than a dialect
15:17:40 <mdean> mkifer:  may confuse some readers
15:18:05 <mdean> ChrisW:  how important is this?
15:18:33 <mdean> josb:  might lead to a lot of confusion
15:18:48 <sandro> scribenick: mdean 
15:18:54 <mdean> Harold:  represents first draft of dialect?
15:19:06 <mdean> josb:  no - doesn't say what dialect is
15:19:28 <mdean> ChrisW:  maybe OK for first draft - elicit this type of feedback
15:19:39 <AlexKozlenkov> Why does it not represent the first draft of the RIF Core dialect?
15:19:45 <mdean> mkifer:  suggest jos send updated paragraphs
15:20:13 <mdean> ChrisW:  not for this Working Draft - too late
15:20:41 <mdean> ChrisW:  today approve for public release based on authors completing the actions agreed to at F2F5
15:20:56 <mdean> ChrisW:  WD release process isn't instantaneous
15:21:09 <mdean> ChrisW:  updated paragraphs available now?
15:21:21 <mdean> josb:  will send to list now
15:22:07 <sandro> q?
15:22:10 <sandro> ack josb
15:22:12 <mdean> ChrisW:  any other comments
15:22:14 <sandro> ack Deborah_Nichols 
15:22:40 <ChrisW> q?
15:22:44 <josb> My phrasing suggestions: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Mar/0125.html
15:22:48 <mdean> Deborah:  semantics of multi-sorted RIF conditions, type is used where signature or word would be expected - confusing
15:23:01 <mdean> Deborah:  will send email
15:23:12 <mdean> mkifer:  small comments from Alex
15:23:35 <Deborah_Nichols> s/sort/word
15:23:35 <Hassan> I received them as well Alex
15:23:52 <mdean> Alex:  just sent to Harold?
15:23:59 <mdean> thanks for correction
15:24:28 <mdean> mkifer:  issue (exists) sent to list
15:24:52 <mdean> Alex:  issue should be addressed in future Working Draft
15:24:56 <Harold> Alex sent:
15:24:57 <Harold> In 2.1.3.1, about the text “only to function terms that belong”. I do not fully understand that. ?v can be bound not necessarily to function terms but also primitive constants.
15:25:11 <Harold> In 2.1.3.3, I_F definition, it says I_F(d_1,…,d_k). This should read I_F(f)(d_1,…,d_k), otherwise I do not get it.
15:25:24 <Harold> Also the introduction says that the focus of WD1 is the condition language (not rules?). Is that so?
15:25:56 <ChrisW> q?
15:26:16 <mdean> no other fixes/edits
15:26:23 <josb> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Mar/0125.html
15:26:55 <mdean> sandro:  current draft does not specify RIF Core?  it just lays groundwork?
15:27:03 <mdean> josb:  yes
15:27:25 <Hassan> I second Jos's rewording -hak
15:27:49 <mdean> taking a minute for everyone to read Jos's message
15:28:15 <mdean> mkifer:  never says that RIF Core is a rule language
15:28:28 <AlexKozlenkov> it looks like the overview is a bit of touch really
15:28:38 <mdean> ChrisW:  does seem like an omission
15:28:47 <Deborah_Nichols> +1 to what Michael says wrt RIF being a 'format' but not rule language
15:29:31 <mdean> sandro:  potentially contentious
15:29:36 <DaveReynolds> The Overview does say "A dialect is a rule language ..."
15:29:58 <mdean> ChrisW:  abstract seems OK
15:30:36 <mdean> discussion of Jos's message
15:30:48 <Hassan> As an interchange language, readers will expect as least on full worked out *exchange* between to real-life rule languages... (say, Edinburgh Prolog and Colmerauer's Prolog III)
15:30:52 <mdean> Harold:  which will be presented in next version?
15:31:05 <josb> I'm fine with that
15:31:05 <Hassan> s/on /one/
15:31:19 <mdean> Harold:  perhaps will be developed in future Working Drafts instead
15:31:24 <Hassan> s/to /two/
15:31:46 <mdean> Harold:  we do have a kind of draft of Core
15:31:59 <mdean> Sandro:  Jos's wording too dismissive of current draft
15:32:08 <Harold> The current document is a first draft of the RIF framework, sufficient
15:32:08 <Harold> for the specification of RIF Core, which will be presented in the next
15:32:08 <Harold> version of this document.
15:32:13 <mdean> ChrisW:  keep document as is
15:32:35 <mdean> ChrisW:  architecture document should help clarify
15:32:56 <mdean> ChrisW:  don't see this as a killer - but would like feedback from community
15:33:11 <mdean> ChrisW:  accept typo fixes from Deborah and Alex
15:33:14 <ChrisW> q?
15:33:50 <mdean> ChrisW:  straw poll on publishing current version as first Working Draft
15:34:23 <mdean> ChrisW:  any anticipated objections?
15:34:40 <mdean> none
15:34:47 <mdean> Agfa:  not present
15:34:55 <mdean> Betfair:  yes
15:35:03 <mdean> Corticon absent
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15:35:09 <mdean> DERI Galway absent
15:35:39 <mdean> DERI Galway (Axel):  yes
15:35:46 <mdean> DERI Innsbruck:  yes
15:36:16 <mdean> Sandro recording - will send email later
15:36:45 <Hassan> ILOG votes YES for publication of the WD1 (hak representing)
15:37:49 <IgorMozetic> JSI vote: yes
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15:39:45 <AlexKozlenkov> JBoss voted yes (communicated by Mark Proctor)
15:41:16 <AlexKozlenkov> JBoss voted remotely, they can send an e-mail confirmation if required
15:41:19 <mdean> RESOLVED:  first Working Draft published
15:41:35 <mdean> ChrisW:  thanks to editors - real accomplishment
15:41:35 <sandro> Passed 15 YES, 0 Abstain, 0 No.
15:41:40 <ircleuser> :-)
15:42:25 <mdean> ChrisW:  finish meeting with action review - continue issue discussion next week
15:43:05 <mdean> ChrisW:  new issues:  URIs in text (via email), overlapping domains
15:44:06 <mdean> action 271 - discussion in email - misunderstanding - complete
15:44:18 <mdean> action 266 complete
15:44:36 <mdean> no other actions
15:44:40 <ChrisW> zakim, next item
15:44:40 <Zakim> agendum 4. "CORE" taken up [from ChrisW]
15:44:48 <ChrisW> zakim, close item 4
15:44:48 <Zakim> agendum 4, CORE, closed
15:44:49 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:44:50 <Zakim> 5. UCR [from ChrisW]
15:44:51 <ChrisW> zakim, next item
15:44:51 <Zakim> agendum 5. "UCR" taken up [from ChrisW]
15:45:03 <mdean> action review
15:45:40 <mdean> UCR waiting for review?
15:45:45 <mdean> Allen:  correct
15:46:04 <mdean> sandro:  image alt text email?
15:46:39 <mdean> sandro:  alt doesn't necessarily have to be complete
15:47:09 <mdean> ACTION:  Allen to add alt text for UCR
15:47:09 <rifbot> Created ACTION-274 - Add alt text for UCR [on Allen Ginsberg - due 2007-04-03].
15:47:12 <sandro> (not so much "complete" as "lengthy")
15:47:31 <ChrisW> zakim, next item
15:47:31 <Zakim> agendum 6. "RIFRAF" taken up [from ChrisW]
15:48:08 <mdean> RIFRAF actions to be discussed in 2 weeks
15:48:27 <ChrisW> zakim, next item
15:48:27 <Zakim> agendum 6 was just opened, ChrisW
15:48:33 <ChrisW> zakim, close item 6
15:48:33 <Zakim> agendum 6, RIFRAF, closed
15:48:34 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:48:35 <Zakim> 7. AOB [from ChrisW]
15:48:36 <ChrisW> zakim, next item
15:48:36 <Zakim> agendum 7. "AOB" taken up [from ChrisW]
15:49:02 <mdean> adjourned
15:49:04 <Allen> bye
15:49:06 <AlexKozlenkov> Thank you the editors and all
15:49:35 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make minutes
15:49:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/27-rif-minutes.html ChrisW
15:51:29 <ChrisW> Regrets: PaulaLaviniaPatranjan PaulVincent PeterPatelSchneider MichaelSintek
15:51:36 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make minutes
15:51:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/27-rif-minutes.html ChrisW