IRC log of i18nits on 2007-03-21

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meeting: i18n ITS Working Group

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chair: Yves

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scribe: Felix

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scribeNick: fsasaki

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0139.html

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rrsagent, make log public

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I18N_TS()10:00AM has now started

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+Yves_Savourel

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move the text "1.1.1 Typical

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Problems" inside the <a> element that occurs just before it. is not so easy in XSLT :( , but I'll try later

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+ +0186528aaaa

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(wrong channel :(

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+Felix

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+ +7.476.70.aabb

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zakim, 0186528aaaa is Sebastian

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sorry, fsasaki, I do not recognize a party named '0186528aaaa'

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zakim, +0186528aaaa is Sebastian

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+Sebastian; got it

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zakim, aaab is Sebastian

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sorry, fsasaki, I do not recognize a party named 'aaab'

14:02:40 [YvesS]

zakim, who is here?

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On the phone I see Yves_Savourel, Sebastian, Felix, +7.476.70.aabb

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On IRC I see chriLi, rahtz, Jirka, YvesS, RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki

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zakim, +7 is Jirka

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+Jirka; got it

14:03:02 [YvesS]

zakim, who is here?

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On the phone I see Yves_Savourel, Sebastian, Felix, Jirka

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On IRC I see chriLi, rahtz, Jirka, YvesS, RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki

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+??P14

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zakim, +?? is Christian

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sorry, fsasaki, I do not recognize a party named '+??'

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zakim, +14 is Christian

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sorry, fsasaki, I do not recognize a party named '+14'

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zakim, who is here?

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On the phone I see Yves_Savourel, Sebastian, Felix, Jirka, ??P14

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zakim, 14 is Christian

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On IRC I see chriLi, rahtz, Jirka, YvesS, RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki

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sorry, fsasaki, I do not recognize a party named '14'

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zakim, +??P14 is Christian

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sorry, fsasaki, I do not recognize a party named '+??P14'

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zakim, ??P14 is Christian

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+Christian; got it

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topic: action items

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action: Everybody to provide information about presentations on ITS (PENDING)

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Yves: if you have anything that is public, send me the material and we will build that page

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s/PENDING/ONGOING/

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action: Felix to check how to make testimonies for the press release (DONE)

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Felix probably no testimonies but "only" a press release

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action: Yves to post a note about break next week (DONE)

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topic: Proposed Recommendation

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comments at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0138.html

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changes at http://localhost/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html

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s/localhost/www.w3.org/

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Sebastian: the change about the loanword is interesting

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.. working around it by not using loan words is fine, but the problem might not be solved

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Yves: depends on the approach you take with loan words

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Sebastian: in practice you would make a decision with some ITS markup to put around such words

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.. you could add translation information and a note

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Yves: yes. It has also to do with the process you are applying

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Sebastian: would be good to have such an example with loan word problems

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Felix: we can have it in the BP document, that would also be fine with the commentor

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action: Yves and Felix to create an example related to loan words for the BP document

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Yves: it is important to point out the type of process you are doing

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.. everybody fine with the new examples in the tagset draft?

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.. over changes were typo corrections etc.

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Felix: styling problem in examples is fixed as well

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Sebastian: back to the new examples: if you put in some English names into the directories?

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\Zebulon\src\bin

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\Zebulon\Current Source\binatryu

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binary

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\Zebulon\Current Source\binary

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cmd -> Build.bat

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instead of ReBuildAll.bat

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Felix: agreement on \Zebulon\Current Source\binary and Build.bat , I'm making the changes on the fly

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example theterm element

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topic: vote on going to rec

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Yves: everybody fine with the changes and publishing as it is?

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Felix: agree

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Sebastian: agree

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Jirka: agree

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Christian: agree

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Yves: agree

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RESOLUTION: WG agrees to vote for transition to REC

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topic: Best Practices Working Draft

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http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html

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http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html#AuthLang

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BP no 15

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Yves: Richard wanted to make sure that we talk about legacy data

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.. Martin said we should make clear that xml:lang is the thing to use

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0112.html

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(comments from Richard)

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Yves: we can change the language in the example

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Sebastian: you need a long example to justify the sub language

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Yves: yes

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.. Richard talked also about voice browsers

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http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/software_jaws.asp

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http://www.w3.org/Voice/

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Yves: we can have the example of voice browsers, that's fine

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.. don't see a problem with his comments

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.. regarding the organization of the material: Richard proposed some alignment with GEO style

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.. not sure if that works with our document since the different parts are more connected, there are not just single "BP"

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Yves: we can try to restructure the sections which are nearly complete

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http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/PR-mobile-bp-20061102/

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http://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-bp

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Christian: these are also examples of BP, we might look at them

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action: Yves to try a restructering of existing examples and how to put highlights and find a pattern

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action: Felix to find old discussion on MBWP structuring

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topic: Next face-to-face meeting

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Yves: meeting will be in Paris, 14-15 of May

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.. who will come?

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Yves, possibly Sebastian, Christian, Jirka, Felix

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Richard will come as well

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logistics page is at http://www.w3.org/International/its/ftf-200705-Paris.html

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topic: Other business

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Yves: please be aware of time difference change next week for Europe

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Christian: liaison to XLIFF

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.. TC is struggling to have a ballot for an OASIS standard

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.. one interesting discussion: question whether XLIFF should be submitted to ISO

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Felix: have they thought of W3C?

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Christian: don't know

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.. not sure why we need an ISO standard

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Yves: MLIF is a maybe related effort from ISO

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see also http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2006Jul/att-0011/Some_general_remarks_about_Timed_Text.pdf

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-Sebastian

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-Jirka

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-Yves_Savourel

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-Felix

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki

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disconnecting the lone participant, Christian, in I18N_TS()10:00AM

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I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Yves_Savourel, Felix, +7.476.70.aabb, Sebastian, Jirka, Christian

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zakim, bye

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-i18nits-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Everybody to provide information about presentations on ITS (PENDING) [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-i18nits-irc#T14-04-49

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ACTION: Felix to check how to make testimonies for the press release (DONE) [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-i18nits-irc#T14-05-21

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ACTION: Yves to post a note about break next week (DONE) [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-i18nits-irc#T14-18-52

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ACTION: Yves and Felix to create an example related to loan words for the BP document [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-i18nits-irc#T14-27-44

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ACTION: Yves to try a restructering of existing examples and how to put highlights and find a pattern [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-i18nits-irc#T14-51-22

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ACTION: Felix to find old discussion on MBWP structuring [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-i18nits-irc#T14-51-35

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