IRC log of grddl-wg on 2007-03-21

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14:59:56 [rreck]

hello all

15:00:08 [HarryH]

zakim, this is grddl

15:00:10 [Zakim]

ok, HarryH; that matches SW_GRDDL()11:00AM

15:00:15 [HarryH]

Good to see you RReck.

15:00:35 [Zakim]

+ +1.216.445.aacc

15:00:44 [Zakim]

+DanC

15:00:47 [john-l]

Zakim, aacc is me

15:00:47 [Zakim]

+john-l; got it

15:01:09 [rreck]

zakim who is on the phone

15:01:17 [rreck]

zakim, who is on the phone

15:01:17 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'who is on the phone', rreck

15:01:36 [john-l]

rreck: please state your question in the form of a question. ;-)

15:01:40 [rreck]

zakim, who is on the phone?

15:01:40 [Zakim]

On the phone I see +1.703.956.aabb, +1.919.457.aaaa, john-l, DanC

15:01:46 [HarryH]

zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-age

15:01:46 [Zakim]

working on it, HarryH

15:01:48 [Zakim]

done reading agenda, HarryH

15:01:53 [Zakim]

+Chimezie_Ogbuji

15:01:53 [rreck]

zakim, aabb is me

15:01:54 [Zakim]

+ +049238aadd

15:01:56 [Zakim]

+rreck; got it

15:02:04 [FabienG]

zakim, aadd is FabienG

15:02:04 [Zakim]

+FabienG; got it

15:02:22 [HarryH]

HarryH has changed the topic to: GRDDL WG Meeting March 21 11:00 EST

15:02:35 [HarryH]

Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:02:35 [Zakim]

On the phone I see rreck, +1.919.457.aaaa, john-l, DanC, Chimezie_Ogbuji, FabienG

15:02:48 [HarryH]

Zakim, +1.919.457.aaaa is HarryH

15:02:48 [Zakim]

+HarryH; got it

15:03:21 [HarryH]

Meeting: GRDDL Working Group

15:03:28 [HarryH]

Chair: HarryH

15:03:37 [HarryH]

Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda

15:03:44 [HarryH]

Scribe: FabienG

15:03:54 [Zakim]

+ +0127368aaee

15:04:02 [jjc]

Zakim, aaee is me

15:04:02 [Zakim]

+jjc; got it

15:04:30 [HarryH]

PROPOSED: to approve GRDDL WG Weekly -- 14 March 2007 as a true record

15:04:58 [HarryH]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Mar/att-0110/14-grddl-wg-minutes.html

15:05:33 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

15:05:34 [briansuda]

Zakim, [IPcaller] is briansuda

15:05:34 [Zakim]

+briansuda; got it

15:06:05 [HarryH]

RESOLVED: to approve GRDDL WG Weekly -- 14 March 2007 as a true recor

15:06:08 [FabienG]

Last minutes approved

15:06:21 [HarryH]

PROPOSED: to meet again Wed, 28 March 11:00-0500. scribe volunteer?

15:06:24 [Simone]

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15:06:34 [Zakim]

+Murray_Maloney

15:06:47 [HarryH]

jjc will be scribe for next meeting

15:06:57 [iand]

iand has joined #grddl-wg

15:06:58 [HarryH]

Zakim, next item

15:06:58 [Zakim]

I see nothing on the agenda

15:07:16 [HarryH]

Zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda.rdf

15:07:17 [Zakim]

working on it, HarryH

15:07:18 [Zakim]

agenda+ Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-03-21T11:00-0400

15:07:19 [Zakim]

agendum 1 added

15:07:20 [Zakim]

agenda+ Patent Policy

15:07:21 [Zakim]

agendum 2 added

15:07:22 [Zakim]

agenda+ Advocating

15:07:24 [Zakim]

agendum 3 added

15:07:25 [Zakim]

agenda+ Primer Document: Last Call?

15:07:26 [Zakim]

agendum 4 added

15:07:28 [Zakim]

agenda+ Use-Case Document: Going To Last Call?

15:07:30 [Zakim]

agendum 5 added

15:07:33 [Zakim]

agenda+ Test Cases as Rec?

15:07:35 [Zakim]

agendum 6 added

15:07:37 [Zakim]

agenda+ Library

15:07:39 [Zakim]

agendum 7 added

15:07:41 [Zakim]

agenda+ Test-Cases nominated for approval

15:07:43 [Zakim]

agendum 8 added

15:07:45 [Zakim]

agenda+ GRDDL Spec: Last Call

15:07:47 [Zakim]

agendum 9 added

15:07:51 [Zakim]

done reading agenda, HarryH

15:08:29 [HarryH]

Zakim, next item

15:08:30 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-03-21T11:00-0400" taken up

15:08:36 [HarryH]

Zakim, next item

15:08:36 [Zakim]

agendum 1 was just opened, HarryH

15:08:37 [DanC]

Regrets+ IanD

15:08:45 [HarryH]

Zakim, next item

15:08:45 [Zakim]

agendum 1 was just opened, HarryH

15:08:47 [DanC]

Zakim, take up item 2

15:08:47 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Patent Policy" taken up

15:09:06 [HarryH]

ACTION: [DONE] HarryH contact AC Reps directly about form if not filled out by next Tuesday.

15:09:27 [HarryH]

Rachael Yaeger, Ben Adida, and Samsung.

15:09:30 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

15:09:40 [Simone]

Zakim, IPcaller is Simone

15:09:40 [Zakim]

+Simone; got it

15:10:02 [FabienG]

harry: can we contact them by phone?

15:10:20 [HarryH]

Zakim, next item

15:10:20 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-03-21T11:00-0400" taken up

15:10:23 [HarryH]

Zakim, open item 3

15:10:23 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "Advocating" taken up

15:10:37 [DanC]

Zakim, close item 1

15:10:37 [Zakim]

agendum 1, Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-03-21T11:00-0400, closed

15:10:38 [Zakim]

I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

15:10:40 [Zakim]

3. Advocating

15:11:17 [briansuda]

none at the moment

15:11:27 [HarryH]

BrianS? Feedback from microformat land on GRDDL?

15:11:34 [FabienG]

Harry: can we get more involvement from microformat comunnity?

15:12:34 [HarryH]

http://esw.w3.org/topic/CustomRdfDialects/GrddableMicroformats

15:12:43 [jjc]

q+

15:13:04 [FabienG]

DanC: one possibility is to rely on "LexTex" (???)

15:13:05 [FabienG]

scribe: pointer ?

15:13:14 [jjc]

^XTech^

15:13:20 [chimezie]

btw: Ed Dumhill *did* update the XTech schedule with the profiles

15:13:36 [chimezie]

it's just not well-formed XML =) (missing entity references)

15:13:43 [jjc]

http://2007.xtech.org/

15:14:04 [chimezie]

well-formed, but not *valid*, rather..

15:15:23 [FabienG]

jjc: isn't what we need sexy applications doing something GRDDL can do and microformats alone can't do?

15:16:42 [FabienG]

Chime: the Xtech page has a GRDDL profile but the missing entity references prevent me from parsing the site.

15:17:15 [HarryH]

It seems like pinging RyanKing's javascript Microformat generator would be a good idea

15:17:24 [DanC]

yeah... profile in the hCard creator... how about that, briansuda ?

15:17:30 [briansuda]

i can email him

15:17:36 [HarryH]

BrianS, cc me.

15:17:36 [Simone]

Harry: Like a GRDDL-o-matic

15:17:40 [briansuda]

http://microformats.org/code/?page_id=20

15:17:53 [briansuda]

those are the code generators

15:18:44 [HarryH]

Wordpress/Yahoo would be great if they used profile URIs

15:19:15 [HarryH]

ACTION: BrianS to contact RyanKing about adding GRDDL profile for hCal/hCard to Javascripot microformat generator.

15:19:18 [FabienG]

Harry: convincing Yahoo to add a GRDDL profile would be a victory.

15:19:33 [HarryH]

Ack - also add hReview.

15:20:02 [DanC]

. http://www.w3.org/Consortium/contact

15:20:17 [HarryH]

Zakim, open item 4

15:20:17 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "Primer Document: Last Call?" taken up

15:20:19 [DanC]

volunteer to write to web-human@w3.org re http://www.w3.org/Consortium/contact ?

15:20:26 [FabienG]

Murray: add microformat to W3C documents?

15:20:27 [HarryH]

Zakim, open item 3

15:20:27 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "Advocating" taken up

15:20:54 [DanC]

rather site-comments@w3.org

15:21:06 [briansuda]

briansuda can take that action

15:21:18 [FabienG]

DanC: I try to do it when I can (e.g. last WWW conf)

15:21:35 [HarryH]

ACTION: BrianS to add microformats+GRDDL Profile to http://www.w3.org/Consortium/contact and contact w3c.

15:21:40 [DanC]

s/WWW conf/W3C tech plenary/

15:22:27 [chimezie]

Semantic Tech Conference?

15:22:33 [DanC]

ooh... good idea, chimezie

15:22:43 [FabienG]

Murray: what about WWW2007?

15:22:45 [FabienG]

Harry: does anyone want to do the Calendar of WWW07?

15:22:50 [HarryH]

ACTION: HarryH to contact WWW2007 over microformats+GRDDL for their calendar.

15:23:05 [HarryH]

ACTION: Chime to get Semantic Tech 2007 to use GRDDL+microformats for their calendar.

15:23:39 [briansuda]

another hCalendar-o-matic for quick conference schedule creation http://dmitry.baranovskiy.com/work/csc/

15:23:40 [DanC]

I see http://www.semantic-conference.com/ ... with images for the date/place: May 20-24 San Jose

15:23:44 [HarryH]

Zakim, open 4

15:23:44 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'open 4', HarryH

15:23:49 [HarryH]

Zakim, open item 4

15:23:49 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "Primer Document: Last Call?" taken up

15:24:02 [Zakim]

-briansuda

15:24:35 [FabienG]

Harry: all of our previous examples use SPARQL and RDF

15:24:40 [DanC]

(er... did I have an action to publish the primer? or was that use cases? I don't see any such action in the agenda. was it withdrawn on purpose?)

15:24:56 [FabienG]

Harry: there is a request to use OWL examples

15:25:02 [DanC]

Regrets+ DannyA

15:25:59 [HarryH]

Zakim, open item 5

15:25:59 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "Use-Case Document: Going To Last Call?" taken up

15:26:33 [chimezie]

OWL entailment example for the HL7 scenario: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Mar/0126.html

15:27:02 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

15:27:02 [briansuda]

Zakim, [IPcaller] is briansuda

15:27:04 [Zakim]

+briansuda; got it

15:28:37 [chimezie]

jjc: we seemed to have lost you

15:28:41 [FabienG]

JJC: publishing as a note does not preclude us from publishing again after

15:28:46 [jjc]

i can hear

15:28:46 [HarryH]

Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:28:46 [Zakim]

On the phone I see rreck, HarryH, john-l, DanC, Chimezie_Ogbuji, FabienG, jjc, Murray_Maloney, Simone, briansuda

15:28:57 [jjc]

i'll redial

15:29:16 [HarryH]

PROPSAL: Publish Use-Case document as W3C Note?

15:29:22 [rreck]

yes

15:29:28 [HarryH]

yes

15:29:28 [briansuda]

concur

15:29:29 [jjc]

yes

15:29:30 [Simone]

yes

15:29:40 [iand]

concur

15:29:44 [Zakim]

-jjc

15:29:57 [HarryH]

RESOLVED: Publish Use-Case document as W3C Note.

15:30:49 [Zakim]

+jjc

15:32:08 [FabienG]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc43/scenario-gallery.htm

15:32:53 [FabienG]

ACTION: JJC, to review the primer.

15:33:31 [DanC]

so please s/This document is a Working Group Note/This document is [not yet] a Working Group Note/

15:33:34 [HarryH]

ACTION: FabienG to request W3C Webmaster to publish Use-Case document as W3C Note with any additional status text added.

15:34:04 [DanC]

maybe http://www.w3.org/2005/08/transition?docstatus=wg-note-tr ....

15:34:49 [HarryH]

Zakim, open item 5

15:34:49 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "Use-Case Document: Going To Last Call?" taken up

15:34:51 [HarryH]

Zakim, open item 6

15:34:51 [Zakim]

agendum 6. "Test Cases as Rec?" taken up

15:35:31 [DanC]

I see 1.3 2007/03/19 13:24:45 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html

15:35:48 [FabienG]

Chime: putting it together for publication and DanC and JJC comments addressed.

15:37:02 [FabienG]

... : the current test repository should have life time behond the lifetime of WG

15:37:37 [FabienG]

JJC: anything going in a ZIP is ok, first working draft I d'ont care

15:38:21 [FabienG]

...: the editor should have adequate discretion on these issues

15:39:28 [FabienG]

DanC: only Harry can send a transition request.

15:39:29 [DanC]

1st public WD process: http://www.w3.org/2005/08/transition?docstatus=fpwd-wd-tr

15:39:53 [FabienG]

Harry: just ping me when it's ready.

15:40:20 [jjc]

^these issues^test naming conventions^

15:40:27 [DanC]

try: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html,pubrules

15:41:49 [FabienG]

JJC: the 404 is not allowed unless it's an example.

15:42:15 [HarryH]

ACTION: jjc to produce htaccess file for test-case

15:43:18 [FabienG]

JJC: getting the first working draft out really is the main issue.

15:43:39 [FabienG]

DanC: has anybody tried to make a table of results?

15:44:17 [HarryH]

ACTION: HarryH to run EARL-> HTML table generator

15:44:19 [HarryH]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007JanMar/0043.html

15:45:57 [FabienG]

DanC: none of these actions are in the critical path.

15:46:04 [HarryH]

ACTION: jjc to produce EARL for his implementation, and then sort out multiple test passing in his EARL.

15:47:15 [FabienG]

Harry: what about the null case ?

15:47:19 [DanC]

(currently there's no SPARQL in testft.py nor the earl->html thingy. jjc, if you want to introduce SPARQL, it might be most straightforward to switch from python to java altogether)

15:47:31 [HarryH]

ACTION [DONE]: Chime adding sentence to Test Case Doc specifying that local security policy must be set to none before running tests

15:47:41 [FabienG]

Chime: your policy should not prevent you from running the case.

15:47:45 [HarryH]

Zakim, open item 8

15:47:45 [Zakim]

agendum 8. "Test-Cases nominated for approval" taken up

15:47:48 [HarryH]

Zakim, open item 7

15:47:48 [Zakim]

agendum 7. "Library" taken up

15:48:14 [HarryH]

Zakim, open item 6

15:48:14 [Zakim]

agendum 6. "Test Cases as Rec?" taken up

15:48:20 [HarryH]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

15:48:20 [Zakim]

On the phone I see rreck, HarryH, john-l, DanC, Chimezie_Ogbuji, FabienG, Murray_Maloney, Simone, briansuda, jjc

15:48:44 [chimezie]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc50/grddl-tests.html

15:48:50 [HarryH]

PROPOSAL: To publish test-case document as Working Draft? - http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc50/grddl-tests.html

15:48:54 [chimezie]

Revision 1.7

15:48:58 [DanC]

1.3 2007/03/19 13:24:4

15:49:16 [DanC]

never mind; I see Revision 1.7 2007/03/19 14:03:13

15:49:37 [DanC]

I'm happy to go with 1.7 + any edits agreed by chime+jjc

15:50:39 [FabienG]

JJC: the publication as a test case does not include the tests except in the ZIP

15:51:10 [rreck]

yes, looks good chimezie.

15:51:14 [briansuda]

concur

15:51:15 [jjc]

yes

15:51:22 [Simone]

concur

15:51:39 [FabienG]

ACTION: Chime to fix the relative URL problem

15:51:44 [DanC]

so RESOLVED

15:51:46 [HarryH]

APPROVED: To publish test-case document as Working Draft? - http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc50/grddl-tests.html once relative URIs are fixed

15:51:55 [HarryH]

Zakim, open item 8

15:51:55 [Zakim]

agendum 8. "Test-Cases nominated for approval" taken up

15:51:59 [HarryH]

Zakim, open item 7

15:51:59 [Zakim]

agendum 7. "Library" taken up

15:52:50 [DanC]

q+ to ask about .xsl on the end of the transform uris

15:53:25 [HarryH]

ack DanC

15:53:25 [Zakim]

DanC, you wanted to ask about .xsl on the end of the transform uris

15:53:32 [FabienG]

JJC: subProfile and glean mechanisms removed

15:54:10 [HarryH]

ACTION: jjc to get write access to test directory

15:54:35 [HarryH]

ACTION: Edit library file to remove .xsls

15:54:36 [DanC]

no, not the test directory, the library directory (2003/g/)

15:54:45 [HarryH]

ACTION: jjc to get write access to library directory

15:54:52 [HarryH]

ACTION: jjc to get write access to test directory [WITHDRAWN]

15:54:58 [HarryH]

ack jjc

15:55:59 [HarryH]

Zakim, open item 8

15:55:59 [Zakim]

agendum 8. "Test-Cases nominated for approval" taken up

15:58:05 [Zakim]

-Murray_Maloney

16:01:06 [HarryH]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Mar/0064.html

16:01:19 [HarryH]

go to item 7

16:02:14 [Zakim]

-HarryH

16:02:21 [HarryH]

apologies last minute meeting...

16:02:33 [DanC]

a test: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist3.html#grddlonrdf1

16:02:43 [DanC]

a test: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist3#grddlonrdf1

16:03:50 [DanC]

1.1 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddlonrdf-output1.rdf

16:03:50 [chimezie]

grddlonrdf-output1.rdf

16:03:52 [HarryH]

ok will be able to participate via IRC

16:04:12 [DanC]

RESOLVED: to approve http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist3#grddlonrdf1

16:07:37 [DanC]

JJC: the SHOULD in the spec only supports result 3, the merge

16:09:11 [DanC]

UNDO: we're not RESOLVED to http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist3#grddlonrdf1

16:09:30 [HarryH]

?

16:09:38 [HarryH]

What SHOULD exactly?

16:09:39 [john-l]

Did we lose our scribe?

16:10:28 [DanC]

DanC: "An implementation only has to produce one of these three" connotes MUST, where the spec says SHOULD

16:11:20 [FabienG]

JJC: get the doc out and then review the wording

16:11:39 [HarryH]

I wrote that, am happy for "has to produce" to be changed to "should produce"

16:11:43 [DanC]

propose to adjourn

16:11:48 [DanC]

ADJOURN.

16:12:11 [DanC]

.......

16:12:14 [DanC]

visiting http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist1 ...

16:12:23 [Zakim]

-briansuda

16:12:38 [rreck]

gotta run, bye

16:12:43 [Zakim]

-Simone

16:12:44 [Zakim]

-rreck

16:13:03 [FabienG]

rrsagent, please set these logs world-visible

16:13:41 [FabienG]

rrsagent, please create the minutes

16:13:41 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-grddl-wg-minutes.html FabienG

16:14:41 [john-l]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#normative

16:15:24 [john-l]

Is there any way I can also get CVS access?

16:15:47 [HarryH]

I think DanC can request w3c to give people CVS access.

16:16:05 [HarryH]

I'd definitely like to see you get CVS access.

16:17:01 [FabienG]

rrsagent, please publish the minutes

16:17:01 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-grddl-wg-minutes.html FabienG

16:21:18 [jjc]

action on jjc to copy card profile

16:21:22 [chimezie]

http://www.w3.org/2002/01/P3Pv1

16:21:34 [chimezie]

in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc50/xmlWithGrddlAttribute.xml

16:21:40 [chimezie]

wrong base Uri there

16:38:27 [DanC]

sched: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/sched7

16:38:46 [Zakim]

-john-l

16:42:01 [Zakim]

-Chimezie_Ogbuji

16:42:03 [Zakim]

-DanC