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14:59:56 <rreck> hello all
15:00:08 <HarryH> zakim, this is grddl
15:00:10 <Zakim> ok, HarryH; that matches SW_GRDDL()11:00AM
15:00:15 <HarryH> Good to see you RReck.
15:00:35 <Zakim> + +1.216.445.aacc
15:00:44 <Zakim> +DanC
15:00:47 <john-l> Zakim, aacc is me
15:00:47 <Zakim> +john-l; got it
15:01:09 <rreck> zakim who is on the phone
15:01:17 <rreck> zakim, who is on the phone
15:01:17 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', rreck
15:01:36 <john-l> rreck: please state your question in the form of a question.  ;-)
15:01:40 <rreck> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:01:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.703.956.aabb, +1.919.457.aaaa, john-l, DanC
15:01:46 <HarryH> zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-age
15:01:46 <Zakim> working on it, HarryH
15:01:48 <Zakim> done reading agenda, HarryH
15:01:53 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:01:53 <rreck> zakim, aabb is me
15:01:54 <Zakim> + +049238aadd
15:01:56 <Zakim> +rreck; got it
15:02:04 <FabienG> zakim, aadd is FabienG
15:02:04 <Zakim> +FabienG; got it
15:02:22 <HarryH> HarryH has changed the topic to: GRDDL WG Meeting March 21 11:00 EST
15:02:35 <HarryH> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see rreck, +1.919.457.aaaa, john-l, DanC, Chimezie_Ogbuji, FabienG
15:02:48 <HarryH> Zakim, +1.919.457.aaaa is HarryH
15:02:48 <Zakim> +HarryH; got it
15:03:21 <HarryH> Meeting: GRDDL Working Group
15:03:28 <HarryH> Chair: HarryH
15:03:37 <HarryH> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda
15:03:44 <HarryH> Scribe: FabienG
15:03:54 <Zakim> + +0127368aaee
15:04:02 <jjc> Zakim, aaee is me
15:04:02 <Zakim> +jjc; got it
15:04:30 <HarryH> PROPOSED: to approve GRDDL WG Weekly -- 14 March 2007 as a true record
15:04:58 <HarryH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Mar/att-0110/14-grddl-wg-minutes.html
15:05:33 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:05:34 <briansuda> Zakim, [IPcaller] is briansuda
15:05:34 <Zakim> +briansuda; got it
15:06:05 <HarryH> RESOLVED: to approve GRDDL WG Weekly -- 14 March 2007 as a true recor
15:06:08 <FabienG> Last minutes approved
15:06:21 <HarryH> PROPOSED: to meet again Wed, 28 March 11:00-0500. scribe volunteer?
15:06:24 <Simone> Simone has joined #grddl-wg
15:06:34 <Zakim> +Murray_Maloney
15:06:47 <HarryH> jjc will be scribe for next meeting
15:06:57 <iand> iand has joined #grddl-wg
15:06:58 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
15:06:58 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
15:07:16 <HarryH> Zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda.rdf
15:07:17 <Zakim> working on it, HarryH
15:07:18 <Zakim> agenda+ Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-03-21T11:00-0400
15:07:19 <Zakim> agendum 1 added
15:07:20 <Zakim> agenda+ Patent Policy
15:07:21 <Zakim> agendum 2 added
15:07:22 <Zakim> agenda+ Advocating
15:07:24 <Zakim> agendum 3 added
15:07:25 <Zakim> agenda+ Primer Document: Last Call?
15:07:26 <Zakim> agendum 4 added
15:07:28 <Zakim> agenda+ Use-Case Document: Going To Last Call?
15:07:30 <Zakim> agendum 5 added
15:07:33 <Zakim> agenda+ Test Cases as Rec?
15:07:35 <Zakim> agendum 6 added
15:07:37 <Zakim> agenda+ Library
15:07:39 <Zakim> agendum 7 added
15:07:41 <Zakim> agenda+ Test-Cases nominated for approval
15:07:43 <Zakim> agendum 8 added
15:07:45 <Zakim> agenda+ GRDDL Spec: Last Call
15:07:47 <Zakim> agendum 9 added
15:07:51 <Zakim> done reading agenda, HarryH
15:08:29 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
15:08:30 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-03-21T11:00-0400" taken up
15:08:36 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
15:08:36 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, HarryH
15:08:37 <DanC> Regrets+ IanD
15:08:45 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
15:08:45 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, HarryH
15:08:47 <DanC> Zakim, take up item 2
15:08:47 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Patent Policy" taken up
15:09:06 <HarryH> ACTION: [DONE] HarryH contact AC Reps directly about form if not filled out by next Tuesday.
15:09:27 <HarryH> Rachael Yaeger, Ben Adida, and Samsung.
15:09:30 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:09:40 <Simone> Zakim, IPcaller is Simone
15:09:40 <Zakim> +Simone; got it
15:10:02 <FabienG> harry: can we contact them by phone?
15:10:20 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
15:10:20 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-03-21T11:00-0400" taken up
15:10:23 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 3
15:10:23 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Advocating" taken up
15:10:37 <DanC> Zakim, close item 1
15:10:37 <Zakim> agendum 1, Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-03-21T11:00-0400, closed
15:10:38 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:10:40 <Zakim> 3. Advocating
15:11:17 <briansuda> none at the moment
15:11:27 <HarryH> BrianS? Feedback from microformat land on GRDDL?
15:11:34 <FabienG> Harry: can we get more involvement from microformat comunnity?
15:12:34 <HarryH> http://esw.w3.org/topic/CustomRdfDialects/GrddableMicroformats
15:12:43 <jjc> q+
15:13:04 <FabienG> DanC: one possibility is to rely on "LexTex" (???)
15:13:05 <FabienG> scribe:  pointer ?
15:13:14 <jjc> ^XTech^
15:13:20 <chimezie> btw: Ed Dumhill *did* update the XTech schedule with the profiles
15:13:36 <chimezie> it's just not well-formed XML  =) (missing entity references)
15:13:43 <jjc> http://2007.xtech.org/
15:14:04 <chimezie> well-formed, but not *valid*, rather..
15:15:23 <FabienG> jjc: isn't what we need sexy applications doing something GRDDL can do and microformats alone can't do?
15:16:42 <FabienG> Chime: the Xtech page has a GRDDL profile but the missing entity references prevent me from parsing the site.
15:17:15 <HarryH> It seems like pinging RyanKing's javascript Microformat generator would be a good idea
15:17:24 <DanC> yeah... profile in the hCard creator... how about that, briansuda ?
15:17:30 <briansuda> i can email him
15:17:36 <HarryH> BrianS, cc me.
15:17:36 <Simone> Harry: Like a GRDDL-o-matic
15:17:40 <briansuda> http://microformats.org/code/?page_id=20
15:17:53 <briansuda> those are the code generators
15:18:44 <HarryH> Wordpress/Yahoo would be great if they used profile URIs
15:19:15 <HarryH> ACTION: BrianS to contact RyanKing about adding GRDDL profile for hCal/hCard to Javascripot microformat generator.
15:19:18 <FabienG> Harry: convincing Yahoo to add a GRDDL profile would be a victory.
15:19:33 <HarryH> Ack - also add hReview.
15:20:02 <DanC> . http://www.w3.org/Consortium/contact
15:20:17 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 4
15:20:17 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Primer Document: Last Call?" taken up
15:20:19 <DanC> volunteer to write to web-human@w3.org re http://www.w3.org/Consortium/contact ?
15:20:26 <FabienG> Murray: add microformat to W3C documents?
15:20:27 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 3
15:20:27 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Advocating" taken up
15:20:54 <DanC> rather site-comments@w3.org
15:21:06 <briansuda> briansuda can take that action
15:21:18 <FabienG> DanC: I try to do it when I can (e.g. last WWW conf)
15:21:35 <HarryH> ACTION: BrianS to add microformats+GRDDL Profile to http://www.w3.org/Consortium/contact and contact w3c.
15:21:40 <DanC> s/WWW conf/W3C tech plenary/
15:22:27 <chimezie> Semantic Tech Conference?
15:22:33 <DanC> ooh... good idea, chimezie 
15:22:43 <FabienG> Murray: what about WWW2007?
15:22:45 <FabienG> Harry: does anyone want to do the Calendar of  WWW07?
15:22:50 <HarryH> ACTION: HarryH to contact WWW2007 over microformats+GRDDL for their calendar.
15:23:05 <HarryH> ACTION: Chime to get Semantic Tech 2007 to use GRDDL+microformats for their calendar.
15:23:39 <briansuda> another hCalendar-o-matic for quick conference schedule creation http://dmitry.baranovskiy.com/work/csc/
15:23:40 <DanC> I see http://www.semantic-conference.com/ ... with images for the date/place: May 20-24 San Jose
15:23:44 <HarryH> Zakim, open 4
15:23:44 <Zakim> I don't understand 'open 4', HarryH
15:23:49 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 4
15:23:49 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Primer Document: Last Call?" taken up
15:24:02 <Zakim> -briansuda
15:24:35 <FabienG> Harry: all of our previous examples use SPARQL and RDF
15:24:40 <DanC> (er... did I have an action to publish the primer? or was that use cases? I don't see any such action in the agenda. was it withdrawn on purpose?)
15:24:56 <FabienG> Harry: there is a request to use OWL examples
15:25:02 <DanC> Regrets+ DannyA
15:25:59 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 5
15:25:59 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Use-Case Document: Going To Last Call?" taken up
15:26:33 <chimezie> OWL entailment example for the HL7 scenario: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Mar/0126.html
15:27:02 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:27:02 <briansuda> Zakim, [IPcaller] is briansuda
15:27:04 <Zakim> +briansuda; got it
15:28:37 <chimezie> jjc: we seemed to have lost you
15:28:41 <FabienG> JJC: publishing as a note does not preclude us from publishing again after 
15:28:46 <jjc> i can hear
15:28:46 <HarryH> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:28:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see rreck, HarryH, john-l, DanC, Chimezie_Ogbuji, FabienG, jjc, Murray_Maloney, Simone, briansuda
15:28:57 <jjc> i'll redial
15:29:16 <HarryH> PROPSAL: Publish Use-Case document as W3C Note?
15:29:22 <rreck> yes
15:29:28 <HarryH> yes
15:29:28 <briansuda> concur
15:29:29 <jjc> yes
15:29:30 <Simone> yes
15:29:40 <iand> concur
15:29:44 <Zakim> -jjc
15:29:57 <HarryH> RESOLVED:  Publish Use-Case document as W3C Note.
15:30:49 <Zakim> +jjc
15:32:08 <FabienG> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc43/scenario-gallery.htm
15:32:53 <FabienG> ACTION: JJC, to review the primer.
15:33:31 <DanC> so please s/This document is a Working Group Note/This document is [not yet] a Working Group Note/
15:33:34 <HarryH> ACTION: FabienG to request W3C Webmaster to publish Use-Case document as W3C Note with any additional status text added.
15:34:04 <DanC> maybe http://www.w3.org/2005/08/transition?docstatus=wg-note-tr ....
15:34:49 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 5
15:34:49 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Use-Case Document: Going To Last Call?" taken up
15:34:51 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 6
15:34:51 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Test Cases as Rec?" taken up
15:35:31 <DanC> I see 1.3 2007/03/19 13:24:45 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html
15:35:48 <FabienG> Chime: putting it together for publication and DanC and JJC comments addressed.
15:37:02 <FabienG> ... : the current test repository should have life time behond the lifetime of WG
15:37:37 <FabienG> JJC: anything going in a ZIP is ok, first working draft I d'ont care
15:38:21 <FabienG> ...: the editor should have adequate discretion on these issues
15:39:28 <FabienG> DanC: only Harry can send a transition request.
15:39:29 <DanC> 1st public WD process: http://www.w3.org/2005/08/transition?docstatus=fpwd-wd-tr
15:39:53 <FabienG> Harry: just ping me when it's ready.
15:40:20 <jjc> ^these issues^test naming conventions^
15:40:27 <DanC> try: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html,pubrules
15:41:49 <FabienG> JJC: the 404 is not allowed unless it's an example.
15:42:15 <HarryH> ACTION: jjc to produce htaccess file for test-case
15:43:18 <FabienG> JJC: getting the first working draft out really is the main issue.
15:43:39 <FabienG> DanC: has anybody tried to make a table of results?
15:44:17 <HarryH> ACTION: HarryH to run EARL-> HTML table generator
15:44:19 <HarryH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007JanMar/0043.html
15:45:57 <FabienG> DanC: none of these actions are in the critical path.
15:46:04 <HarryH> ACTION: jjc to produce EARL for his implementation, and then sort out multiple test passing in his EARL.
15:47:15 <FabienG> Harry: what about the null case ?
15:47:19 <DanC> (currently there's no SPARQL in testft.py nor the earl->html thingy. jjc, if you want to introduce SPARQL, it might be most straightforward to switch from python to java altogether)
15:47:31 <HarryH> ACTION [DONE]: Chime adding sentence to Test Case Doc specifying that local security policy must be set to none before running tests
15:47:41 <FabienG> Chime: your policy should not prevent you from running the case.
15:47:45 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 8
15:47:45 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Test-Cases nominated for approval" taken up
15:47:48 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 7
15:47:48 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Library" taken up
15:48:14 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 6
15:48:14 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Test Cases as Rec?" taken up
15:48:20 <HarryH> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:48:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see rreck, HarryH, john-l, DanC, Chimezie_Ogbuji, FabienG, Murray_Maloney, Simone, briansuda, jjc
15:48:44 <chimezie> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc50/grddl-tests.html 
15:48:50 <HarryH> PROPOSAL: To publish test-case document as Working Draft? -  http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc50/grddl-tests.html
15:48:54 <chimezie> Revision 1.7 
15:48:58 <DanC> 1.3 2007/03/19 13:24:4
15:49:16 <DanC> never mind; I see Revision 1.7  2007/03/19 14:03:13
15:49:37 <DanC> I'm happy to go with 1.7 + any edits agreed by chime+jjc
15:50:39 <FabienG> JJC: the publication as a test case does not include the tests except in the ZIP
15:51:10 <rreck> yes, looks good chimezie.
15:51:14 <briansuda> concur
15:51:15 <jjc> yes
15:51:22 <Simone> concur
15:51:39 <FabienG> ACTION: Chime to fix the relative URL problem
15:51:44 <DanC> so RESOLVED
15:51:46 <HarryH> APPROVED:  To publish test-case document as Working Draft? -  http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc50/grddl-tests.html once relative URIs are fixed
15:51:55 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 8
15:51:55 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Test-Cases nominated for approval" taken up
15:51:59 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 7
15:51:59 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Library" taken up
15:52:50 <DanC> q+ to ask about .xsl on the end of the transform uris
15:53:25 <HarryH> ack DanC
15:53:25 <Zakim> DanC, you wanted to ask about .xsl on the end of the transform uris
15:53:32 <FabienG> JJC: subProfile and glean mechanisms removed
15:54:10 <HarryH> ACTION: jjc to get write access to test directory
15:54:35 <HarryH> ACTION: Edit library file to remove .xsls
15:54:36 <DanC> no, not the test directory, the library directory (2003/g/)
15:54:45 <HarryH> ACTION: jjc to get write access to library directory
15:54:52 <HarryH> ACTION: jjc to get write access to test directory [WITHDRAWN]
15:54:58 <HarryH> ack jjc
15:55:59 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 8
15:55:59 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Test-Cases nominated for approval" taken up
15:58:05 <Zakim> -Murray_Maloney
16:01:06 <HarryH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Mar/0064.html
16:01:19 <HarryH> go to item 7
16:02:14 <Zakim> -HarryH
16:02:21 <HarryH> apologies last minute meeting...
16:02:33 <DanC> a test: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist3.html#grddlonrdf1
16:02:43 <DanC> a test: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist3#grddlonrdf1
16:03:50 <DanC> 1.1 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddlonrdf-output1.rdf
16:03:50 <chimezie> grddlonrdf-output1.rdf
16:03:52 <HarryH> ok will be able to participate via IRC
16:04:12 <DanC> RESOLVED: to approve http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist3#grddlonrdf1
16:07:37 <DanC> JJC: the SHOULD in the spec only supports result 3, the merge
16:09:11 <DanC> UNDO: we're not RESOLVED to http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist3#grddlonrdf1
16:09:30 <HarryH> ?
16:09:38 <HarryH> What SHOULD exactly?
16:09:39 <john-l> Did we lose our scribe?
16:10:28 <DanC> DanC: "An implementation only has to produce one of these three" connotes MUST, where the spec says SHOULD
16:11:20 <FabienG> JJC: get the doc out and then review the wording
16:11:39 <HarryH> I wrote that, am happy for "has to produce" to be changed to "should produce"
16:11:43 <DanC> propose to adjourn
16:11:48 <DanC> ADJOURN.
16:12:11 <DanC> .......
16:12:14 <DanC> visiting http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist1 ...
16:12:23 <Zakim> -briansuda
16:12:38 <rreck> gotta run, bye
16:12:43 <Zakim> -Simone
16:12:44 <Zakim> -rreck
16:13:03 <FabienG> rrsagent, please set these logs world-visible
16:13:41 <FabienG> rrsagent, please create the minutes
16:13:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-grddl-wg-minutes.html FabienG
16:14:41 <john-l> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#normative
16:15:24 <john-l> Is there any way I can also get CVS access?
16:15:47 <HarryH> I think DanC can request w3c to give people CVS access.
16:16:05 <HarryH> I'd definitely like to see you get CVS access.
16:17:01 <FabienG> rrsagent, please publish the minutes
16:17:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-grddl-wg-minutes.html FabienG
16:21:18 <jjc> action on jjc to copy card profile
16:21:22 <chimezie> http://www.w3.org/2002/01/P3Pv1
16:21:34 <chimezie> in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc50/xmlWithGrddlAttribute.xml
16:21:40 <chimezie> wrong base Uri there
16:38:27 <DanC> sched: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/sched7
16:38:46 <Zakim> -john-l
16:42:01 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
16:42:03 <Zakim> -DanC