IRC log of databinding on 2007-03-20
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- Zakim, this will be DBWG
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- ok, trackbot; I see WS_DBWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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- Meeting: Databinding WG Teleconference
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- Date: 20 March 2007
- 13:59:46 [gcowe]
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- WS_DBWG()10:00AM has now started
- 14:00:32 [pauld]
- scribe: pauld
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- chair: pauld
- 14:00:41 [Zakim]
- +George_Cowe
- 14:00:44 [pauld]
- zakim, code?
- 14:00:45 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 3294 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), pauld
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- +Paul_Downey
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- -George_Cowe
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- +George_Cowe
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- +Yves
- 14:04:36 [pauld]
- Topic: barf dancing
- 14:04:50 [pauld]
- lots of stuff being chopped out
- 14:05:27 [Zakim]
- + +44.141.220.aaaa
- 14:07:31 [pauld]
- yves: can we distinguish between examples we exclude beacuse of barf dancing and those we exclude because of broken examples
- 14:07:46 [pauld]
- yves: we also have some broken examples
- 14:08:52 [pauld]
- pauld: please make sure you don't commit broken instance documents!
- 14:09:00 [pauld]
- yves: need reviewing
- 14:09:17 [Yves]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/examples/6/09/
- 14:10:30 [Yves]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/examples/6/09/DateSimpleTypePattern/#DateSimpleTypePattern02
- 14:10:34 [Yves]
- this one is easy to fix
- 14:11:49 [Yves]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/examples/6/09/AttributeReference/AttributeReference-AttributeReference01.xml
- 14:11:56 [pauld]
- ACTION: gcowe to review and fix instance documents which fail validation
- 14:11:57 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-121 - Review and fix instance documents which fail validation [on George Cowe - due 2007-03-27].
- 14:12:56 [Yves]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/examples/6/09/AttributeReference/
- 14:14:39 [pauld]
- pauld: not clever to make attribute names "telno" we should make it "integerAttribute" or some such to avoid semantics
- 14:14:51 [pauld]
- yves: looks like a toolkit problem after all
- 14:14:59 [pauld]
- yves: we need to do a re-run
- 14:15:41 [pauld]
- pauld: wondering if a realisic time frame is ahead of the F2F
- 14:16:29 [pauld]
- Topic: administrivia
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- approval of minutes
- 14:17:53 [pauld]
- next F2F 18-20th April, will send out logistics
- 14:19:47 [pauld]
- planning for Wed-Thurs to be testing, Friday to be processing issues and the documents
- 14:22:40 [pauld]
- pauld: please look to the Action Items list
- 14:24:00 [pauld]
- Topic: ISSUE-2: test suite
- 14:24:32 [pauld]
- yves: having to do lots of caching,
- 14:24:43 [pauld]
- yves: needs more cosmetics
- 14:24:58 [pauld]
- pauld: main concern is the accuracy
- 14:25:23 [pauld]
- yves: we have tests marked as failed, need to be sure it's not my comparison
- 14:25:46 [pauld]
- gcowe: on the failures - are you deciding by looking at the HTTP response, body?
- 14:26:00 [pauld]
- yves: just comparing SOAP envelope
- 14:28:18 [pauld]
- pauld: the perl captures the HTTP headers for extra info, but a standalone Java command would be ideal
- 14:28:29 [pauld]
- gcowe: working on such a thing
- 14:30:22 [pauld]
- pauld: each toolkit has a http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/edcopy/toolkits/php5_php_5.2.0/toolkit.xml
- 14:32:16 [pauld]
- pauld: contains per-toolkit info for the report
- 14:33:51 [pauld]
- pauld: the excludes, some are because of the examples are broken
- 14:34:19 [pauld]
- gcowe: I'd like to test just basic or advanced patterns
- 14:35:17 [pauld]
- yves: i've managed to do this in dashboard.java
- 14:37:39 [pauld]
- gcowe: spent too much time on the barf dancing, excluding tests, now working on building the output.xml file
- 14:37:59 [pauld]
- pauld: would like to wrap this up as a zip file so others can supply tests
- 14:38:11 [pauld]
- yves: edit the makefile to add a new test report
- 14:38:51 [pauld]
- pauld: have a couple of tests up my sleeve from non-java kits
- 14:39:17 [pauld]
- pauld: thanks for all your hard work, I need to catch up with it
- 14:39:40 [pauld]
- agenda+ ISSUE-12: identifying a conformant schema
- 14:39:53 [pauld]
- s/agenda+/Topic:/
- 14:40:04 [pauld]
- pauld: nothing to report here, sorry
- 14:41:33 [pauld]
- .. interesting news from IBM: http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/purexml
- 14:41:51 [pauld]
- .. looks like work around the databinding for DB2
- 14:42:09 [pauld]
- .. does anyone have DB2 experience/expertise?
- 14:42:26 [pauld]
- gcowe: have some experience, but not using it currently
- 14:43:20 [pauld]
- pauld: haven't quite understood it, yet, looks interesting for us
- 14:45:22 [pauld]
- Topic: ISSUE-103 - Cyclic References
- 14:45:42 [pauld]
- jonc: wondering about raising more complex issues
- 14:45:52 [pauld]
- .. around this issue
- 14:46:17 [pauld]
- jonc: has some Java to test this, should we be looking to reuse this - as a post-processing step?
- 14:46:27 [pauld]
- .. views anyone?
- 14:46:39 [pauld]
- gcowe: haven't looked at the java code you sent
- 14:47:22 [pauld]
- jonc: same issue applies to extension and element reference
- 14:51:10 [pauld]
- pauld: valid issue, rasied at the original workshop, but how do we test it, do we need Java?
- 14:52:02 [pauld]
- jonc: we could add this to the Java command which tests a schema
- 14:52:59 [pauld]
- pauld: other tests we could add for assertions, eg. UTF-8
- 14:53:43 [pauld]
- pauld: is this a pattern or an assertion?
- 14:54:08 [pauld]
- jonc: I'd like to see this tested for as it's easily added almost by accident
- 14:54:45 [pauld]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/edcopy/basic/basic.html#assertionsummary
- 14:55:44 [pauld]
- pauld: note Philippe also added a useful appendix on the schema types and elements used within Basic and Advanced patterns
- 14:57:47 [pauld]
- jonc: could be useful to cite the other examples
- 14:58:22 [pauld]
- pauld: think we could write something generically around the component model
- 14:58:58 [pauld]
- .. suggest adding the same constraint to the other examples
- 14:59:07 [pauld]
- pauld: is this for Basic or Advanced?
- 14:59:35 [pauld]
- jonc: pathalogically cyclic dependencies shouldn't be Basic
- 14:59:58 [pauld]
- .. e.g mandatory links
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- .. with minOccurs="1"
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- - +44.141.220.aaaa
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- -George_Cowe
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- -Yves
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- -Paul_Downey
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- WS_DBWG()10:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were George_Cowe, Paul_Downey, Yves, +44.141.220.aaaa
- 15:04:59 [pauld]
- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-databinding-minutes.html pauld
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- rrsagent, make minutes public
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- I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', pauld. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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