IRC log of databinding on 2007-03-20

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Zakim, this will be DBWG
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Meeting: Databinding WG Teleconference
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Date: 20 March 2007
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WS_DBWG()10:00AM has now started
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scribe: pauld
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chair: pauld
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14:00:44 [pauld]
zakim, code?
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the conference code is 3294 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+ tel:+44.117.370.6152), pauld
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Topic: barf dancing
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lots of stuff being chopped out
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+ +44.141.220.aaaa
14:07:31 [pauld]
yves: can we distinguish between examples we exclude beacuse of barf dancing and those we exclude because of broken examples
14:07:46 [pauld]
yves: we also have some broken examples
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pauld: please make sure you don't commit broken instance documents!
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yves: need reviewing
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14:10:34 [Yves]
this one is easy to fix
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14:11:56 [pauld]
ACTION: gcowe to review and fix instance documents which fail validation
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Created ACTION-121 - Review and fix instance documents which fail validation [on George Cowe - due 2007-03-27].
14:12:56 [Yves]
14:14:39 [pauld]
pauld: not clever to make attribute names "telno" we should make it "integerAttribute" or some such to avoid semantics
14:14:51 [pauld]
yves: looks like a toolkit problem after all
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yves: we need to do a re-run
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pauld: wondering if a realisic time frame is ahead of the F2F
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Topic: administrivia
14:16:55 [pauld]
approval of minutes
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next F2F 18-20th April, will send out logistics
14:19:47 [pauld]
planning for Wed-Thurs to be testing, Friday to be processing issues and the documents
14:22:40 [pauld]
pauld: please look to the Action Items list
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Topic: ISSUE-2: test suite
14:24:32 [pauld]
yves: having to do lots of caching,
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yves: needs more cosmetics
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pauld: main concern is the accuracy
14:25:23 [pauld]
yves: we have tests marked as failed, need to be sure it's not my comparison
14:25:46 [pauld]
gcowe: on the failures - are you deciding by looking at the HTTP response, body?
14:26:00 [pauld]
yves: just comparing SOAP envelope
14:28:18 [pauld]
pauld: the perl captures the HTTP headers for extra info, but a standalone Java command would be ideal
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gcowe: working on such a thing
14:30:22 [pauld]
pauld: each toolkit has a
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pauld: contains per-toolkit info for the report
14:33:51 [pauld]
pauld: the excludes, some are because of the examples are broken
14:34:19 [pauld]
gcowe: I'd like to test just basic or advanced patterns
14:35:17 [pauld]
yves: i've managed to do this in
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gcowe: spent too much time on the barf dancing, excluding tests, now working on building the output.xml file
14:37:59 [pauld]
pauld: would like to wrap this up as a zip file so others can supply tests
14:38:11 [pauld]
yves: edit the makefile to add a new test report
14:38:51 [pauld]
pauld: have a couple of tests up my sleeve from non-java kits
14:39:17 [pauld]
pauld: thanks for all your hard work, I need to catch up with it
14:39:40 [pauld]
agenda+ ISSUE-12: identifying a conformant schema
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14:40:04 [pauld]
pauld: nothing to report here, sorry
14:41:33 [pauld]
.. interesting news from IBM:
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.. looks like work around the databinding for DB2
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.. does anyone have DB2 experience/expertise?
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gcowe: have some experience, but not using it currently
14:43:20 [pauld]
pauld: haven't quite understood it, yet, looks interesting for us
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Topic: ISSUE-103 - Cyclic References
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jonc: wondering about raising more complex issues
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.. around this issue
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jonc: has some Java to test this, should we be looking to reuse this - as a post-processing step?
14:46:27 [pauld]
.. views anyone?
14:46:39 [pauld]
gcowe: haven't looked at the java code you sent
14:47:22 [pauld]
jonc: same issue applies to extension and element reference
14:51:10 [pauld]
pauld: valid issue, rasied at the original workshop, but how do we test it, do we need Java?
14:52:02 [pauld]
jonc: we could add this to the Java command which tests a schema
14:52:59 [pauld]
pauld: other tests we could add for assertions, eg. UTF-8
14:53:43 [pauld]
pauld: is this a pattern or an assertion?
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jonc: I'd like to see this tested for as it's easily added almost by accident
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pauld: note Philippe also added a useful appendix on the schema types and elements used within Basic and Advanced patterns
14:57:47 [pauld]
jonc: could be useful to cite the other examples
14:58:22 [pauld]
pauld: think we could write something generically around the component model
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.. suggest adding the same constraint to the other examples
14:59:07 [pauld]
pauld: is this for Basic or Advanced?
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jonc: pathalogically cyclic dependencies shouldn't be Basic
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.. e.g mandatory links
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.. with minOccurs="1"
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WS_DBWG()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were George_Cowe, Paul_Downey, Yves, +44.141.220.aaaa
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate pauld
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rrsagent, make minutes public
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', pauld. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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