IRC log of core on 2007-03-20

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13:55:13 [r12a]

i wasn't going to do that yet ;)

13:55:19 [fsasaki]

meeting: i18n core Working Group

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chair: Richard

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scribe: Felix

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Mar/0004.html

13:55:47 [r12a]

i just sent out a new agenda

13:56:11 [fsasaki]

agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Mar/0014.html

13:56:18 [r12a]

note also that text in the agenda is set up for copy paste

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eg

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Meeting: I18n Core telecon

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and the various Topic: XXX headings

13:57:05 [r12a]

back in a sec...

13:58:24 [fsasaki]

regrets: Karunesh, Michael, Najib, Ram, Vijay

13:58:31 [fsasaki]

rrsagent, make log public

13:58:59 [r12a]

Mark also sent regrets

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regrets+ Mark

14:00:24 [r12a]

zakim, dial richard please

14:00:24 [Zakim]

ok, r12a; the call is being made

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I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has now started

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+Richard

14:00:43 [r12a]

zakim, who's here ?

14:00:43 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Richard

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On IRC I see RRSAgent, fsasaki, Zakim, r12a

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+Felix

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+??P18

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+??P21

14:03:06 [fsasaki]

regrets+ Greg

14:03:23 [r12a]

zakim, ??P21 is Andrew

14:03:23 [Zakim]

+Andrew; got it

14:03:33 [r12a]

zakim, ??P18 is Dave

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I already had ??P18 as David, r12a

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zakim, who's here ?

14:03:49 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Richard, Felix, David, Andrew

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On IRC I see DavidClarke, RRSAgent, fsasaki, Zakim, r12a

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Regrets+ Francois

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zakim, who's here ?

14:05:39 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Richard, Felix, David, Andrew

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On IRC I see najib, DavidClarke, RRSAgent, fsasaki, Zakim, r12a

14:05:46 [r12a]

hi najib, will you dial in ?

14:05:47 [najib]

Hello to everyone

14:05:57 [najib]

No, I'm sorry

14:06:01 [fsasaki]

agenda is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Mar/0014.html

14:06:29 [fsasaki]

Topic: Welcome

14:06:39 [r12a]

zakim, who's here ?

14:06:39 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Richard, Felix, David, Andrew

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On IRC I see najib, DavidClarke, RRSAgent, fsasaki, Zakim, r12a

14:06:43 [fsasaki]

Richard: welcome to the new / old core WG!

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Topic: Introductions

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Topic: Meeting rules

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Richard: first parts of agenda are really for information sharing

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.. if you have questions we ask it straight away

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.. it it gets into discussion, we put an item on the agenda

14:10:31 [r12a]

Topic: Agenda & actions review

14:11:23 [r12a]

ACTION: Felix to make updates of LTLI taking Michaels feedback into account DONE

14:11:45 [fsasaki]

http://www.w3.org/International/core/langtags/#revisionlog

14:12:23 [fsasaki]

Felix: see the last two bullets in the change log

14:12:43 [r12a]

ACTION: Richard to contact Russ and others to figure out how IE 7 handles display of Punycode and language preference settings DONE

14:13:10 [fsasaki]

Richard: have talked to various people, we will go on with the text we have

14:13:22 [r12a]

ACTION: all to give feedback on LTLI update ONGOING

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ACTION: Felix to write a mail about possibility for SVG tiny specific IRI tests to Chris and the i18n core list

14:14:20 [fsasaki]

Felix: we'll handle that in the architecture group, AI will be dropped from core

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.. the same for AI on IRIs and charmod

14:15:07 [r12a]

ACTION: Felix to look at the mobileOK document and send Richard's (and possilby more) comments about MobileOK DONE

14:15:23 [r12a]

Topic: Info Share

14:17:02 [r12a]

felix: mentions joint task force between i18n, CSS and XSL WGs that we are starting up to gather typographic reequirements wrt Japanese

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... some invited experts about to join

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... FTF meetings to be held regularly every few weeks in Japan in Japanese

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... Felix will provide English summaries of meetings

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... still planning scope with participating WGs

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... next meeting next week

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Topic: Review of resource publication pipeline & process

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http://www.w3.org/International/2003/plan.html

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http://www.w3.org/International/2003/plan.html

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Topic: Quick Tips

14:22:15 [r12a]

Finalised wording OK for new print run?

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Target: decision for next weeks call.

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-geo/2007Feb/0020.html

14:22:37 [fsasaki]

Richard: some wording proposed as final

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ACTION: All, look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-geo/2007Feb/0020.html and raise any comments by email before next telecon

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Topic: Language Declaration Best Practices

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Ready for publication as a WG Note ?

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Target: decision for next weeks call.

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http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-lang.html

14:24:33 [fsasaki]

Richard: had a flurry of late comments last week

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.. made changes particulary in sec. 4

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.. may still tweak it a little

14:25:09 [fsasaki]

.. Mark Davis is asking why people should worry about this

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.. in sec. 2 we talk about the importance of specifying text processing language

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.. we don't talk about the importance of meta data

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.. I will create another section to say why that is necessary

14:27:05 [r12a]

ACTION: All, raise any issues with http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-lang.html#ri20050208.095812479 before next telecon, so we can take a decision to publish as WG Note

14:27:20 [r12a]

Topic: An Introduction to Multilingual Web Addresses, Does it work?

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Ready for publication ?

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Target: decision for next weeks call.

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http://www.w3.org/International/articles/idn-and-iri/temp.php#work

14:27:55 [najib]

q+

14:27:55 [fsasaki]

Richard: discussed it in GEO, we thought it is ready to go

14:28:43 [r12a]

ACTION: All, raise any issues with http://www.w3.org/International/articles/idn-and-iri/temp.php#work before next telecon, so we can take a decision to publish

14:28:51 [r12a]

yes najib ?

14:28:55 [najib]

Firefox policy (natif URI for trusted TLD, doen't apply to Arabic.

14:29:00 [r12a]

ack najib

14:29:09 [najib]

Suggest to add a line to the table od tests.

14:29:15 [r12a]

ok, thanks najib

14:29:19 [najib]

s/od/of/

14:29:33 [najib]

That's all.

14:29:53 [r12a]

i believe you sent an email about that, najib?

14:30:00 [najib]

Yes

14:30:10 [r12a]

ok i'll do something with it

14:30:26 [r12a]

Topic: Last call review items & process

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TR list: http://www.w3.org/TR/#last-call

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Review radar: http://www.w3.org/International/core/reviews.html

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Past reviews list: http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/

14:31:09 [r12a]

new address for review radar is http://www.w3.org/International/core/review-radar

14:34:53 [fsasaki]

Richard: I'll read GRDDL anyway

14:36:21 [fsasaki]

action: Felix to see if a review of http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-XMLHttpRequest-20070227/ is necessary and possibly start an inital review

14:36:59 [fsasaki]

action: Felix to review http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-xforms11-20070222/

14:37:07 [fsasaki]

action: Richard to add http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-xforms11-20070222/ to the review schedule

14:38:11 [fsasaki]

Richard: CSS text is not here, we could look at that

14:38:26 [r12a]

6 March 2007: CSS Text Level 3

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http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-css3-text-20070306/

14:38:55 [fsasaki]

Richard: we need to intersect ASAP with this

14:39:37 [fsasaki]

at this point: anybody who wants to take a look at that and should send in comments to our list for discussion

14:41:09 [r12a]

Topic: MobileOK comments

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Mar/0009.html

14:41:09 [r12a]

Any more comments? Next steps?

14:42:39 [fsasaki]

Richard: we should stick to the standard process to send comments to the public list

14:43:08 [fsasaki]

Felix: agree, I should have sent a mail to a member list asking for review period extension, and later sent the comments to their public ML

14:43:32 [fsasaki]

Richard: Felix is busy with various stuff now, I'll take over and create a comment table on a separate page

14:43:51 [r12a]

http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/

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.. you can find examples of previous reviews at the page above

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Topic: Comments on XML Schema from i18n

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Mar/0001.html

14:46:45 [fsasaki]

Felix: to look into the xml schema comments and summarize the possibly for our group

14:46:53 [fsasaki]

action: Felix: to look into the xml schema comments and summarize the possibly for our group

14:47:06 [r12a]

Request for feedback from XQuery WG

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Mar/0003.html

14:47:06 [r12a]

full text search taskforce

14:56:08 [fsasaki]

Richard: In Thai, you would not eliminate spaces normally

14:56:28 [fsasaki]

David: also in the other South East Asian languages

14:56:44 [fsasaki]

.. in theory you don't have spaces between words, but might have zero-width spaces

14:58:39 [r12a]

Comments on CCXML

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Feb/0004.html

14:59:39 [fsasaki]

action: Felix to go back to XQuery saying that there might be issues with various languages and we will come back to them

15:01:13 [Zakim]

-David

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-Andrew

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-Richard

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-Felix

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I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Richard, Felix, David, Andrew

15:01:27 [fsasaki]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-core-minutes.html fsasaki

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 13 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-core-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Felix to make updates of LTLI taking Michaels feedback into account DONE [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-core-irc#T14-11-23

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ACTION: Richard to contact Russ and others to figure out how IE 7 handles display of Punycode and language preference settings DONE [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-core-irc#T14-12-43

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ACTION: all to give feedback on LTLI update ONGOING [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-core-irc#T14-13-22

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ACTION: Felix to write a mail about possibility for SVG tiny specific IRI tests to Chris and the i18n core list [4]

15:20:46 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-core-irc#T14-14-13

15:20:46 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Felix to look at the mobileOK document and send Richard's (and possilby more) comments about MobileOK DONE [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-core-irc#T14-15-07

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ACTION: All, look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-geo/2007Feb/0020.html and raise any comments by email before next telecon [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-core-irc#T14-23-47

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ACTION: All, raise any issues with http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-lang.html#ri20050208.095812479 before next telecon, so we can take a decision to publish as WG Note [7]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-core-irc#T14-27-05

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ACTION: All, raise any issues with http://www.w3.org/International/articles/idn-and-iri/temp.php#work before next telecon, so we can take a decision to publish [8]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-core-irc#T14-28-43

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ACTION: Felix to see if a review of http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-XMLHttpRequest-20070227/ is necessary and possibly start an inital review [9]

15:20:46 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-core-irc#T14-36-21

15:20:46 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Felix to review http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-xforms11-20070222/ [10]

15:20:46 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-core-irc#T14-36-59

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ACTION: Richard to add http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-xforms11-20070222/ to the review schedule [11]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-core-irc#T14-37-07

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ACTION: Felix: to look into the xml schema comments and summarize the possibly for our group [12]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-core-irc#T14-46-53

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ACTION: Felix to go back to XQuery saying that there might be issues with various languages and we will come back to them [13]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-core-irc#T14-59-39

15:20:49 [fsasaki]

zakim, bye

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