IRC log of mmsem on 2007-03-15

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rrsagent, bookmark
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Zakim, list
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I see WS_DescWG()11:00AM, DIG_TAMI()11:00AM, XML_PMWG()11:00AM, MWI_BPWG()10:00AM active
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also scheduled at this time are VB_VBWG()10:00AM, I18N_Core_WG(WS-I18N)11:00AM, GA_WebCGM()11:00AM, Team_(leeivan)14:54Z, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, WAI_Team()10:45AM
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zakim, this is INC_MMSEM
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JeffP, I see INC_MMSEM()12:00PM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be INC_MMSEM".
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zakim, this will be INC_MMSEM
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ok, JeffP; I see INC_MMSEM()12:00PM scheduled to start in 24 minutes
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+ +03120598aaaa
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zakim, +03120598aaaa is me
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+JeffP; got it
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hi Chris
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hi all
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hi alessio
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hi all
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+ +49.861.209.aabb
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Zakim, aabb is me
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+TobiasBuerger; got it
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zakim, who is on the call?
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On the phone I see JeffP, Michael_Hausenblas, TobiasBuerger
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ScribeNick: mhausenblas
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Meeting: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 15-03-2007, 16:00 UTC
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Chair: Jeff Pan
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present+ Jeff_Pan
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present+ Tobias_Bürger
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see JeffP, Michael_Hausenblas, TobiasBuerger, SuzanneLittle
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On IRC I see alessio, TobiasBuerger, chrisatsin, mhausenblas, RRSAgent, Zakim, JeffP
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present+ Suzanne_Little
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regrets +Raphael Troncy
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regrets+ Vassilis_Tzouvaras
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regrets+ Oscar_Celma
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regrets+ Thomas_Franz
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regrets+ Pasquale_Popolizio
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regrets+ Christian_Halaschek-Wiener
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see JeffP, Michael_Hausenblas, TobiasBuerger, +1.603.897.aacc, SuzanneLittle, +1.312.059.aadd
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On IRC I see IoannisPratikakis, Melli, zeljko, alessio, TobiasBuerger, chrisatsin, mhausenblas, RRSAgent, Zakim, JeffP
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present + Zeljko_Obrenovic
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chrisa is chrisatsin
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present+ Melliyal_Annamalai
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Topic: 1. ADMIN
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+ +329331aaee
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PROPOSED to accept the minutes
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present+ Chris
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RESOLUTION: accepted minutes
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Next telecon scheduled: 29 March 2007
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Topic 2. LINKS Pages
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Michael: We work on it
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ACTION: Michael to maintain the Vocabularies page See:
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Michael: -> stable voc
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ACTION: Zeljko to maintain the Resources/Tools page See:
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Zeljko: Need feedback from XG
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... we are after DOAP files
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... thinking about contacting authors of tools
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Michael: Align with -> ESW SW Tools
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate mhausenblas
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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ACTION: Jeff and Raphael to give feedback on how to improve the Tools Page [recorded in]
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ACTION: Zeljko to provide for biltieral links ESW/ XG
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Topic: 3. Image Annotation on the Semantic Web Deliverable (
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ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image Annotation on the Semantic Web document" by next telecon change the css style (XG report) change the syntax of the examples (N3) and the graphs (IsaViz) [recorded in]
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Topic: 4. Interoperability Deliverable
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Topic: 4.1 Structure (Vassilis, Jeff)
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Michael: shorten TOC depth
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... all references should link to the Voc page / XGR
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Jeff: First section is about i15y issues in general
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... my question is regarding that some annotations are not representable in RDF (from F2F/ Susanne Boll)
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... further UC and possible solutions are described
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... using different layers of i15y
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... in the Common Framework
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yes thanks!
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ACTION: Jeff to asks Susanne Boll about "selectors on top of resources"
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Tobias: Regarding XMP granularity ... might be what she meant
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... spatial regions in e.g. images
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Jeff: Back to section 3.1
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... 3.2 seems ok
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... 3.3 is more difficult to resolve, though
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q+ to ask if the remaining time (< 2 months) are sufficient for this ...
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Jeff: As Oscar mentioned in his mail to the list, we not going to do key research, here
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Jeff: Will take a closer look at the UC
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Topic: 4.2 Music Use case: (Oscar)
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ACTION: Oscar to update a possible scenario with classical music (thanks to Ivan Herman) [recorded in]
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ACTION: Oscar to update the UC and the interop deliverable [recorded in]
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4.3 News Use case: (Thierry, Chris, Raphael)
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s/4.3/Topic: 4.3
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ACTION: Chris, Thierry and Raphael to update the UC and the interop deliverable [recorded in]
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Topic: 4.4 Photo Use case: (Susanne Boll, Erik Mannens)
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Erik: Currently converting DIG35 to OWL
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ACTION: Erik to contact DIG35 to see any licensing problems if we do some conversions [recorded in]
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Erik: Waiting for response ...
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ACTION: Erik to do the conversion from DIG35 to OWL/RDF [recorded in
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Erik: Some more blocks of DIG35 we work on ...
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... only XML schema was available as input
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Tobias: Q regarding transformation?
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Chris: Semi-automatically
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Topic: 4.5 Tagging Use case: (George, Thomas, Raphael)
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Topic: 4.6 Algorithm representation Use case: (Massimo, Suzanne, Patrizia, Ovidio)
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Suzanne: Looking at hte lowest i15y level
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... to enable easy integration and exploitation
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... general comment: distinguish intregration intra-layer vs. between layers
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... we are after intra-layer integration (in contrast to SM retrieval UC)
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ACTION: Jeff and Vassilis to review algorithm representation UC till next AC [recorded in]
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ACTION: Vassilis to contact Massimo to ask for next steps [recorded in]
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Jeff: I sent out my comments on UC
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... are the UC and the bits in the Framework in sync?
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... Vassilis works on this as well
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... some discussion would be of help to add something here
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Topic: 4.7 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use case: (Ioannis, Sofia)
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zakim, who is talking?
16:57:22 [Zakim]
mhausenblas, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P13 (25%), Michael_Hausenblas (4%)
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zakim P13 is Ioannis
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ACTION: Vassilis to review the Multimedia Retrieval use case by 08/03/2007 [recorded in]
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ACTION: Susanne Little to review the Multimedia Retrieval use case by 08/03/2007 [recorded in]
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-- done
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Topic: 5. MPEG-7 Deliverable
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Michael: Next telecon a first version should be available
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ACTION: Oscar, Stamatia, Raphael, Suzanne, Chrisa, Michael to have MPEG-7 deliverable ready for review by next telecon [recorded in]
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-- continues
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Topic: 6. AOB
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Jeff: Future of the XG
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--> first discussion
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Jeff: Workshop TBD
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... options XG, WG, IG
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q+ to propose a formal vote on it
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ack mhausenblas
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mhausenblas, you wanted to ask if the remaining time (< 2 months) are sufficient for this ... and to propose a formal vote on it
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I like the proposed plan
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ack Erik_Chris_Gaetan
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Erik_Chris_Gaetan: We have a contact to IEEE
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... so potential IE could chime in
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Jeff: W3C would like to see new partners (from industry) to join as well
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate mhausenblas
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has ended
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Attendees were JeffP, Michael_Hausenblas, +49.861.209.aabb, TobiasBuerger, SuzanneLittle, +1.603.897.aacc, +1.312.059.aadd, +329331aaee
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bye all
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