IRC log of rif on 2007-03-13

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zakim, this will be rif
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ok, ChrisW; I see SW_RIF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 51 minutes
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Meeting: RIF Telecon 13 Mar 07
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Chair: Christian de Sainte-Marie
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ChrisW has changed the topic to: 13 Mat RIF agenda:
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zakim, list agenda
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I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
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3. Liason [from ChrisW]
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4. F2F5 Debrief [from ChrisW]
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5. CORE [from ChrisW]
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zakim, clear agenda
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6. UCR [from ChrisW]
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7. RIFRAF [from ChrisW]
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8. AOB [from ChrisW]
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agenda cleared
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agenda+ Admin
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agenda+ F2F
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agenda+ Liason
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agenda+ Technical Design
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agenda+ UCR
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agenda+ RIFRAF
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agenda+ AOB
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate ChrisW
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rrsagent, make logs public
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Chair: Chris Welty
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zakim, ibm is temporarily me
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+ChrisW; got it
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+Dave_Reynolds (was ??P42)
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+ +39.047.101.aaaa
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Zakim, [NRCC] is me
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+Harold; got it
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zakim, mute me
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Allen_Ginsberg should now be muted
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zakim, take up next item
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agendum 1. "Admin" taken up [from ChrisW]
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zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see ChrisW, Deborah_Nichols (muted), Dave_Reynolds, Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), josb (muted), Harold, PaulaP (muted), Allen_Ginsberg (muted), Axel_Polleres (muted)
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15:04:44 [IgorMozetic]
zakim, IPcaller is me
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+IgorMozetic; got it
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scribenick: PaulaP
15:05:19 [DavidHirtle]
Igor, I think I'm pretty sure I'm IPcaller... could you do 41#?
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ChrisW: minutes of last week
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15:05:47 [DavidHirtle]
yes, you're IPcaller.a, not IPcaller. :)
15:05:53 [IgorMozetic]
David, aren't you IPcaller.a
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ChrisW: any objections to the minutes?
15:05:54 [agiurca]
zakim, mute me
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agiurca should now be muted
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ChrisW: no objection
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ChrisW: next week telecon at same time as today
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zakim, next item
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I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, ChrisW
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15:06:39 [IgorMozetic]
David, you are right. How do I release IPcaller?
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ack ipcaller
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ack ipcaller.a
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ChrisW: no items to be added to the agenda?
15:06:58 [AxelPolleres]
Can the one typing so lout please mute?
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ack [ip
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zakim, next item
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agendum 2. "F2F" taken up [from ChrisW]
15:07:36 [DavidHirtle]
Igor, I just changed you to IPcaller.a, but IPcaller still seems unavailable
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ChrisW: next F2F meeting
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15:08:21 [DavidHirtle]
zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see ChrisW, Deborah_Nichols (muted), Dave_Reynolds, Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), josb (muted), Harold, PaulaP (muted), Allen_Ginsberg (muted), Axel_Polleres (muted),
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ChrisW: Christian made another proposal for the upcoming F2F
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... Leora_Morgenstern, Sandro, IgorMozetic, IgorMozetic.a, agiurca (muted)
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15:08:39 [PaulaP]
ChrisW: possibility to meet in Paris at ILOG
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ChrisW: Sandro to make a form for voting on the location and dates for the next F2F
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ACTION: Sandro set up F2F6 survey, today
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Created ACTION-264 - Set up F2F6 survey, today [on Sandro Hawke - due 2007-03-20].
15:09:39 [PaulaP]
Hassan: May 24 and 25, 2007
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ChrisW: there are many possible dates at ESWC 2007
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ChrisW: some of them conflict with events co-located with ESWC 2007
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ChrisW: possible to vote for multiple dates
15:10:59 [josb]
I think the wiki page is clear
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zakim, next item
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agendum 3. "Liason" taken up [from ChrisW]
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ChrisW: anything else on the next F2F?
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Topic: Liaison
15:11:39 [PaulVincent]
PRR: submission due in next OMG meeting
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zakim, close item 3
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agendum 3, Liason, closed
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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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4. Technical Design [from ChrisW]
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zakim, next item
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agendum 4. "Technical Design" taken up [from ChrisW]
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ChrisW: action review
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zakim, who is on the phone?
15:12:14 [Zakim]
On the phone I see ChrisW, Deborah_Nichols (muted), Dave_Reynolds, Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), josb (muted), Harold, PaulaP (muted), Allen_Ginsberg (muted), Axel_Polleres (muted),
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ChrisW: Michael, are you here?
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... Leora_Morgenstern, Sandro, IgorMozetic.a, agiurca (muted), PaulVincent, DavidHirtle
15:12:42 [Deborah_Nichols]
yes, continued
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ChrisW: Deborah's action continued
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ChrisW: Harold's action 246 is done
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zakim, mute me
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IgorMozetic should now be muted
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ACTION 242 done
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ACTION 232 continued
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ChrisW: status of 1st WD?
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michael are you there?
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Harold: Michael did almost everything
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Harold: moved blue boxes at the end
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ChrisW: is the heading structure fixed?
15:15:50 [GerdWagner]
zakim, mute me
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Gerd_Wagner should now be muted
15:16:06 [PaulaP]
Michael: I did almost everything
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Michael: to fix the section heading structure - I forgot what this is about
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Harold: structure of main and sub-headings
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Michael: I'll take a look at the structure
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ChrisW: Sandro, how is the TOC actually generated for the generated version?
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Sandro: it uses the structure of what is on the front wikipage
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Sandro: it is not the right thing at moment
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ChrisW: too many levels of nesting
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Sandro: it might be a bug in the wiki-tr
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Michael: 2.1 is a heading, but 2.1.1 not
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Sandro: let me look at it right now
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ChrisW: 2.1 has a subsection Meta-model
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Sandro: the problem is that it hasn't a number, it is just formatted in bold
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Michael: 3 levels of nesting are quite normal
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ChrisW: syntax and abstract syntax are sub-headings
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Sandro: there are some problems here, style and number
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Sandro: I'll choose a solution
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ChrisW: also raise multi-sorted syntax one level
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Michael: I see, it is level 5
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ChrisW: check if subsections are nested too deep
15:25:54 [Deborah_Nichols]
The issue isn't there yet.
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ChrisW: action on linking to issues
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ChrisW: replace the discussion on URI
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Michael: RIF URI will be defined in a next WD
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ChrisW: every datatype will have a URI
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Michael: this should be replaced by RIF, datatypes will have URIs
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Michael: type of URIs
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ack daver
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Dave: abstract domain
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dave: not really sure if it is like RDF resource
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Michael: we have to say how to interpret this thing
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Michael: current as abstract domain
15:30:21 [hak]
Zakim, hak is Hassan
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sorry, hak, I do not recognize a party named 'hak'
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Michael: there is an enumeration of all datatypes
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Michael: somewhere towards the end in Positive Conditions
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Michael: Multi-sorted syntax
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Michael: there is a paragraph on the domains of these datatypes
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AllenGinsberg, DavidHirtle -- I think I just fixes wiki-tr to do the right thing on the <pre> examples (finally!)
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Michael: there are two sentences on that
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Michael: it is like RDFS resource
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Michael: adding a new notation just raises new questions
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ChrisW: use RIF:URI
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Michael: there is one more thing on disjunction
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s/disjunction/disjoint functions
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ChrisW: we didn't decide on that yet
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ChrisW: raise a formal issue to ensure that it will be discussed
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Deborah: the issue on URIs will be open tomorrow
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ChrisW: disjointness of various semantic domains as new issue
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ChrisW: Michael to write an email to describe this new issue
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ACTION to link to the new issue continued
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Deborah: user-defined types considered as sorts?
15:38:34 [josb]
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ChrisW: we didn't have a resolution on that
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Michael: what are they if they aren't sorts
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ACTION on Deborah to open an issue on disjointness of various semantic domains
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15:40:12 [Harold]
Coming back to my ACTION 232, I meanwhile looked again at Hassan's minutes, where it says:
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<csma> Harold: "...among the bodies of the rules expressed in future RIF dialects. Possible dialects that have been considered so far include LP, FO, PR and RR; the condition language could also be used to unfirmly express integrity contraints and queries".
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zakim, who is on the phone?
15:40:45 [Zakim]
On the phone I see ChrisW, Deborah_Nichols (muted), Dave_Reynolds, josb (muted), Harold, PaulaP (muted), Allen_Ginsberg (muted), Axel_Polleres (muted), Leora_Morgenstern, Sandro,
15:40:49 [PaulaP]
Harold: action 232 - there is just a typo above
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... IgorMozetic (muted), agiurca (muted), PaulVincent, DavidHirtle, Gerd_Wagner (muted), Michael_Kifer, Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted)
15:40:56 [Harold]
Although there was no decision regarding concrete extensions beyond Horn rules, the intent behind this condition language is that it will be shared among the bodies of the rules expressed in future RIF dialects. Possible dialects that have been considered so far include LP, FO, PR and RR; the condition language could also be used to uniformly express integrity contraints and queries.
15:41:09 [PaulaP]
Harold: the proposed resolution is given above
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ChrisW: good
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15:41:39 [josb]
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zakim, ack me
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unmuting josb
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I see DaveReynolds on the speaker queue
15:41:47 [MichaelKifer]
zakim, mute me
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Michael_Kifer should now be muted
15:42:22 [PaulaP]
Jos: disjointness of various domains; the issue is how extensible the Core should be
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Jos: some dialects will require such disjointness
15:42:40 [MichaelKifer]
zakim, unmute me
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Michael_Kifer should no longer be muted
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15:42:58 [PaulaP]
Jos: we need to look at it wrt to requirements on the Core
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ChrisW: I agree with that
15:43:25 [josb]
zakim, mute me
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josb should now be muted
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Dave: what is the status of the editorial comments of the reviews?
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15:44:07 [PaulaP]
Harold: maybe send it again or pointers to it
15:44:16 [AxelPolleres]
if I understood jos right he said that we need to decide whether core is the most restrictive subset, or whether actual languages could actually be more restrictive than the core? In case ++1
15:44:49 [PaulaP]
Michael: Francois also sent a message and I incorporated most of his suggestions
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ChrisW: we don't need to repeat the review work
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Michael: just search to see whether some issues were adressed
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ChrisW: post the URL of your email containing the review
15:46:02 [AxelPolleres]
... anyway letme add, I think we shouldn't strive for the most restrictive possible subset, as this would be maybe somethnig not beyond propositional horn.
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ack m
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ChrisW: we should take these comments also into account
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Michael: about Jos's remark - extensibility means that everything in the Core will be there in the extensions
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zakim, mute me
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Michael_Kifer should now be muted
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zakim, next item
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agendum 5. "UCR" taken up [from ChrisW]
15:47:22 [josb]
the issue is when other dialects add restrictions
15:47:24 [AllenGinsberg]
zakim, unmute ,e
15:47:24 [Zakim]
sorry, AllenGinsberg, I do not know which phone connection belongs to ,e
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ChrisW: action review
15:47:30 [AllenGinsberg]
zakim, unmute me
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Allen_Ginsberg should no longer be muted
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15:48:35 [AxelPolleres]
jos, sure, but propositional horn is a kinda very restrictive dialect, right? so the question is where to draw the line for "core", IMO.
15:49:06 [PaulaP]
ChrisW: we started to have some substantial changes to the UCR WD
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ChrisW: should we make other changes before review?
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Allen: requirement to determine that a set of rules conform to a certain dialect
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Allen: some way of determining that a language is in a RIF dialect
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Allen: is this a requirement?
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ChrisW: I'm not sure that this is a requirement
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ChrisW: it might be a unsolvable problem in case of more complex dialects
15:52:06 [PaulaP]
ChrisW: interesting question
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ChrisW: we can raise and discuss it, if you think this is important
15:52:35 [josb]
It was exactly my point that we need to think about what we want with the core; from this would follow what it looks like.
15:53:31 [PaulaP]
Allen: the basic RIF processing model at the beginning of UCR WD
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Allen: this is Section 2
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Allen: I added some initial paragraph
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Allen: below the second figure are some new sentences
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Allen: not sure if Christian is happy with that
15:54:56 [ChrisW]
It is worth noting here that data models based on XML, RDF, and OWL, have special status in RIF, in part because of the RIF charter. Interchange of rules based upon the use of other data modeling formats might therefore require additional machinery beyond RIF-based translation software.
15:55:21 [PaulaP]
ChrisW: PR people? do you have any concerns regarding the text given above and in the UCR WD?
15:55:44 [PaulVincent]
No objection from a PR perspective...
15:55:51 [PaulaP]
ChrisW: should we get some reviews for the document?
15:56:17 [PaulaP]
Allen: I think so
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Leora: I wrote a partial review
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ChrisW: Leora, Adrian take a look at the new version to make sure you agree with it
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ChrisW: any other comments on the UCR WD?
15:57:44 [ChrisW]
zakim, next item
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agendum 6. "RIFRAF" taken up [from ChrisW]
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ChrisW: action review
15:58:33 [AxelPolleres]
I checked, didn't find an action for me on that :-)
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15:58:48 [PaulaP]
ChrisW: actions to do work similar to Axel's
15:59:05 [AxelPolleres]
Zakim, unmute me
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Axel_Polleres should no longer be muted
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ChrisW: Axel, anything to discuss today on RIFRAF?
15:59:33 [PaulaP]
Axel: actually I don't know what was decided at F2F
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Axel: I wait for the actions on Leora and Allen to be completed
16:00:27 [PaulaP]
Axel: I can complete the work I started or wait until the Core is stable
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ChrisW: the version of Core is stable
16:00:53 [AxelPolleres]
Zakim, mute me
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Axel_Polleres should now be muted
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ACTION on Axel to complete his RIFRAF exercise
16:01:26 [AxelPolleres]
that was the bottom-up vs. top down, right?
16:01:35 [PaulaP]
ChrisW: we still to use RIFRAF to this much more coarse-grained identification of dialects
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ChrisW: defining which combination of features goes in which dialect
16:02:07 [sandro]
ACTION: Axel to complete his RIFRAF excersize - due 2007-03-31
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Created ACTION-265 - complete his RIFRAF excersize [on Axel Polleres - due 2007-03-31].
16:02:15 [AxelPolleres]
Zakim, unmute me
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Axel_Polleres should no longer be muted
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16:02:35 [AlexKozlenkov]
zakim, AlexKozlenkov is me
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+AlexKozlenkov; got it
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zakim, mute me
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AlexKozlenkov.a should now be muted
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Axel: before defining sets of features we need to define these features
16:02:55 [AxelPolleres]
Zakim, mute me
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Axel_Polleres should now be muted
16:03:00 [PaulaP]
Leora: agreement on that
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zakim, next item
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agendum 7. "AOB" taken up [from ChrisW]
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ChrisW: we are at the end of our agenda
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ChrisW: AOB
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate ChrisW
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SW_RIF()11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were ChrisW, Deborah_Nichols, Dave_Reynolds, Hassan_Ait-Kaci, +39.047.101.aaaa, josb, PaulaP, Harold, Allen_Ginsberg, Axel_Polleres, Leora_Morgenstern, Sandro,
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... IgorMozetic, agiurca, PaulVincent, DavidHirtle, Gary_Hallmark, Gerd_Wagner, Michael_Kifer, AlexKozlenkov
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate ChrisW
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\me zakim, who is on the phone?