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14:35:30 <dom> Meeting: Mobile Web Test Suites Working Group Teleconf
14:35:32 <dom> Chair: Dom
14:35:51 <dom> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Mar/0016.html
14:35:55 <dom> Regrets: Till
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14:36:07 <dom> RRSAgent, make log public
14:36:11 <dom> Zakim, this will be TS
14:36:11 <Zakim> dom, Team_(tsdtf)13:34Z is already associated with an irc channel; use 'move TS to here' if you mean to reassociate the channel
14:36:18 <dom> Zakim, this will be MW
14:36:18 <Zakim> ok, dom; I see MWI_TSWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 24 minutes
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14:59:27 <Zakim> MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has now started
14:59:35 <Zakim> +Allen
15:01:19 <dom> Zakim, code?
15:01:21 <Zakim> the conference code is 8794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dom
15:01:44 <Zakim> +dom
15:02:28 <Zakim> +Carmelo
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15:04:38 <dom> Scribe: Allen
15:05:42 <dom> Topic: Mobile Web Test Suites survey and re-packaging
15:05:56 <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to send a pointer to how his framework is used in XML Query test suite [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
15:06:23 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Mar/0018.html Carmelo's framework used in XML Query test suite
15:06:33 <Zakim> +??P64
15:06:35 <dom> [DONE] ACTION: Carmelo to send a pointer to how his framework is used in XML Query test suite [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
15:06:47 <dom> Zakim, ??P64 is Dmitri
15:06:48 <Zakim> +Dmitri; got it
15:07:13 <dom> [DONE] ACTION: Allen to explore the possibility to have a wrapper for the test suites [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action09]
15:07:32 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Mar/0014.html Allen's notes on test harness
15:07:49 <dom> [DONE] ACTION: Dom to work on prototype of test navigation/results recording based on Allen's proposal [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
15:08:00 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Mar/0013.html Dom's message about prototype harness
15:08:18 <Allen> Dom sent the prototype harness last week
15:08:29 <Allen> Got some feedback from Allen and Carmelo
15:08:47 <Allen> The harness is a simple PHP script.
15:09:06 <Allen> Added three button at the end of the page
15:09:30 <Allen> Applied to CSS mobile test suite
15:09:48 <Allen> Harness may interfere with the test.
15:10:11 <Allen> Carmelo: how the harness find the test?
15:10:28 <Allen> Dom: list of test is hard coded in the script
15:10:52 <Allen> ... list of test should be managed by web server in future
15:11:27 <Allen> ... results table not very readable
15:11:54 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/mth/results?ts=cssmp Results table for CSS MP
15:12:51 <Allen> Dom: hard to see results table on mobile phone
15:13:34 <Allen> ... would be good to have a link to the results table at the end of test execution
15:15:12 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Mar/0014.html Allen's comments on harness
15:18:00 <Allen> dom: harness will get user agent from header
15:19:41 <Allen> dom: results table gather results of all test runs from different agents
15:22:42 <Allen> ... no notion of single test run
15:24:07 <Allen> dom: will have the way to filter result 
15:24:29 <Allen> ... aggregate results are also interesting
15:25:49 <Allen> Carmelo: results table will become large. Will be good to filter out results from other test runs.
15:26:06 <Zakim> + +1.301.975.aaaa
15:27:04 <Allen> will be good to have a notion of test session
15:27:14 <dom> ACTION: Dom to look at implementing an id for test session 
15:27:24 <dom> Zakim, aaaa is Jenice
15:27:24 <Zakim> +Jenice; got it
15:28:34 <Allen> should have the ability to easily add/remove tests
15:29:41 <Allen> dom: Harness already reads test from URI
15:33:07 <Allen> dom: difficult to input annotation on the cell phone.
15:34:02 <Allen> ... will be good to go through the test suite on the desktop browser at the same time
15:35:02 <Allen> need random access to the tests
15:35:09 <Allen> dom: not difficult to do
15:35:26 <Allen> Dmitri: what about the progress bar
15:35:41 <Allen> dom: not difficult to do
15:36:14 <Allen> Carmelo: is it possible to run only a few tests?
15:36:24 <Allen> dom: possible with the notion of session
15:37:01 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Mar/0017.html Carmelo's comments on test harness
15:38:43 <Allen> dom: anybody to help with harness development in PHP?
15:39:07 <Allen> Carmelo: may help with meta data. not familiar with PHP. 
15:39:49 <Allen> dom: if interested, let me know. need to set up access.
15:40:09 <dom> ACTION: Dom to request a CVS account for carmelo to access the test harness
15:41:10 <dom> ACTION: Dom to send test harness code to mailing list
15:41:13 <Allen> dmitri: Can dom send the scripts?
15:41:28 <Allen> dom: will do. 
15:42:29 <Carmelo> Carmelo ---- Remember to put Harness on agenda for next week.
15:43:06 <dom> [PENDING] ACTION: Dom to try and get in touch with user agent developers (OpenWave and Nokia) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action05]
15:43:06 <Allen> Topic: looking for feedback from user agent developer
15:44:18 <Allen> Nothing new at this time
15:45:07 <dom> [DONE] ACTION: Carmelo to look into transforming the XML into javascript files for making them easier to run on mobile devices [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
15:45:25 <dom> ACTION: Till to get feedback from his Opera colleagues on making the Javascript more usable on mobile devices [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08]
15:45:58 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/dom-tests/ DOM Test Suite made mobile friendly
15:47:53 <Allen> dom: DOM test suite is not compatible with the harness.
15:48:25 <Allen> ... some work needed to make it friendly to the harness.
15:48:38 <Allen> ... need some feedback from Till
15:49:22 <Allen> Topic: CSS test suite
15:49:30 <dom> [DONE] ACTION: Carmelo to take a closer look at CSS for coverage [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
15:49:46 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Mar/0011.html Carmelo's analysis of CSS MP test suite coverage
15:50:30 <dom> [PENDING] ACTION: Dom to ask for feedback on the mailing list about WCSS vs CSS MP Test Suite? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action12]
15:51:16 <Allen> dom: chair of CSS working group sent offer of collaboration.
15:51:18 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-mwts/2007Mar/0002.html Response from Bert Bos on collaborating on CSS MP Test Suite
15:51:48 <Allen> dom: they are interested to get feedback, suggestion for problems in the test suite.
15:51:59 <Allen> ... but not enough resources to work on them
15:52:22 <Allen> ... encourage us to put more effort on it
15:52:58 <dom> ACTION: Dom to get back to Bert on CSS MP collaboration
15:53:59 <Allen> Dom: Discussion with Bert will help us determine which test suite we should focus on.
15:54:58 <Allen> dom:  Open testing framework for the Mobile Web survey is still running.
15:56:21 <Zakim> -Jenice
15:56:22 <Zakim> -Carmelo
15:56:53 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/mwits/results?view=compact Results of survey
15:57:11 <Zakim> -dom
15:57:11 <Allen> Allen has left #mwts
15:57:13 <Zakim> -Dmitri
15:57:18 <dom> Zakim, list attendees
15:57:18 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Allen, dom, Carmelo, Dmitri, +1.301.975.aaaa, Jenice
15:57:21 <Zakim> -Allen
15:57:23 <Zakim> MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has ended
15:57:24 <Zakim> Attendees were Allen, dom, Carmelo, Dmitri, +1.301.975.aaaa, Jenice
15:57:24 <dom> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:57:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/13-mwts-minutes.html dom