IRC log of mwts on 2007-03-13

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Meeting: Mobile Web Test Suites Working Group Teleconf

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Chair: Dom

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Mar/0016.html

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Regrets: Till

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RRSAgent, make log public

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Zakim, this will be TS

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dom, Team_(tsdtf)13:34Z is already associated with an irc channel; use 'move TS to here' if you mean to reassociate the channel

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Zakim, this will be MW

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ok, dom; I see MWI_TSWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 24 minutes

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MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has now started

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+Allen

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Zakim, code?

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the conference code is 8794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dom

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+dom

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+Carmelo

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Scribe: Allen

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Topic: Mobile Web Test Suites survey and re-packaging

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ACTION: Carmelo to send a pointer to how his framework is used in XML Query test suite [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02]

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Mar/0018.html Carmelo's framework used in XML Query test suite

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+??P64

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[DONE] ACTION: Carmelo to send a pointer to how his framework is used in XML Query test suite [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02]

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Zakim, ??P64 is Dmitri

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+Dmitri; got it

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[DONE] ACTION: Allen to explore the possibility to have a wrapper for the test suites [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action09]

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Mar/0014.html Allen's notes on test harness

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[DONE] ACTION: Dom to work on prototype of test navigation/results recording based on Allen's proposal [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04]

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Mar/0013.html Dom's message about prototype harness

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Dom sent the prototype harness last week

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Got some feedback from Allen and Carmelo

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The harness is a simple PHP script.

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Added three button at the end of the page

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Applied to CSS mobile test suite

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Harness may interfere with the test.

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Carmelo: how the harness find the test?

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Dom: list of test is hard coded in the script

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... list of test should be managed by web server in future

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... results table not very readable

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-> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/mth/results?ts=cssmp Results table for CSS MP

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Dom: hard to see results table on mobile phone

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... would be good to have a link to the results table at the end of test execution

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Mar/0014.html Allen's comments on harness

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dom: harness will get user agent from header

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dom: results table gather results of all test runs from different agents

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... no notion of single test run

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dom: will have the way to filter result

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... aggregate results are also interesting

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Carmelo: results table will become large. Will be good to filter out results from other test runs.

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+ +1.301.975.aaaa

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will be good to have a notion of test session

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ACTION: Dom to look at implementing an id for test session

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Zakim, aaaa is Jenice

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+Jenice; got it

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should have the ability to easily add/remove tests

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dom: Harness already reads test from URI

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dom: difficult to input annotation on the cell phone.

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... will be good to go through the test suite on the desktop browser at the same time

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need random access to the tests

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dom: not difficult to do

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Dmitri: what about the progress bar

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dom: not difficult to do

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Carmelo: is it possible to run only a few tests?

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dom: possible with the notion of session

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Mar/0017.html Carmelo's comments on test harness

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dom: anybody to help with harness development in PHP?

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Carmelo: may help with meta data. not familiar with PHP.

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dom: if interested, let me know. need to set up access.

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ACTION: Dom to request a CVS account for carmelo to access the test harness

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ACTION: Dom to send test harness code to mailing list

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dmitri: Can dom send the scripts?

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dom: will do.

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Carmelo ---- Remember to put Harness on agenda for next week.

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[PENDING] ACTION: Dom to try and get in touch with user agent developers (OpenWave and Nokia) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action05]

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Topic: looking for feedback from user agent developer

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Nothing new at this time

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[DONE] ACTION: Carmelo to look into transforming the XML into javascript files for making them easier to run on mobile devices [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07]

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ACTION: Till to get feedback from his Opera colleagues on making the Javascript more usable on mobile devices [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08]

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-> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/dom-tests/ DOM Test Suite made mobile friendly

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dom: DOM test suite is not compatible with the harness.

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... some work needed to make it friendly to the harness.

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... need some feedback from Till

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Topic: CSS test suite

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[DONE] ACTION: Carmelo to take a closer look at CSS for coverage [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07]

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Mar/0011.html Carmelo's analysis of CSS MP test suite coverage

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[PENDING] ACTION: Dom to ask for feedback on the mailing list about WCSS vs CSS MP Test Suite? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action12]

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dom: chair of CSS working group sent offer of collaboration.

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-mwts/2007Mar/0002.html Response from Bert Bos on collaborating on CSS MP Test Suite

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dom: they are interested to get feedback, suggestion for problems in the test suite.

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... but not enough resources to work on them

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... encourage us to put more effort on it

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ACTION: Dom to get back to Bert on CSS MP collaboration

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Dom: Discussion with Bert will help us determine which test suite we should focus on.

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dom: Open testing framework for the Mobile Web survey is still running.

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-Jenice

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-Carmelo

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-> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/mwits/results?view=compact Results of survey

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-dom

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Allen has left #mwts

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-Dmitri

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Zakim, list attendees

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As of this point the attendees have been Allen, dom, Carmelo, Dmitri, +1.301.975.aaaa, Jenice

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-Allen

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MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Allen, dom, Carmelo, Dmitri, +1.301.975.aaaa, Jenice

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/13-mwts-minutes.html dom