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14:58:35 <shadi> zakim, this will be ert
14:58:35 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
14:58:41 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
14:58:44 <shadi> chair: Shadi
14:58:52 <shadi> regrets: David
14:59:08 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Mar/0013.html
14:59:22 <shadi> agenda+ Updated EARL 1.0 Schema Editor's Draft
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14:59:43 <shadi> agenda+ Updated HTTP Vocabulary in RDF Editor's Draft
14:59:52 <shadi> agenda+ Updated EARL Introduction page
15:00:03 <shadi> agenda+ Check-in on Last Call publication schedule
15:00:46 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started
15:00:48 <Zakim> +Shadi
15:03:03 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:03:07 <Zakim> -Shadi
15:03:09 <Zakim> +Shadi
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15:06:35 <CarlosI> zakim, berrueta is really CarlosI
15:06:35 <Zakim> +CarlosI; got it
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15:07:53 <Zakim> +Thomas
15:07:57 <shadi> scribe: Jim
15:08:07 <shadi> scribenick: JibberJim
15:08:24 <JohannesK> zakim, thomas is really johannesK
15:08:24 <Zakim> +johannesK; got it
15:09:33 <JibberJim> zakim, IPCaller is really Jim Ley
15:09:34 <Zakim> I don't understand 'IPCaller is really Jim Ley', JibberJim
15:09:57 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is really Jim
15:09:57 <Zakim> +Jim; got it
15:10:00 <Zakim> +johannesK.a
15:10:07 <shadi> agenda?
15:10:28 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:10:28 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Updated EARL 1.0 Schema Editor's Draft" taken up [from shadi]
15:10:37 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Schema-20070226
15:10:39 <CarlosV> zakim, johannesK.a is really CarlosV
15:10:39 <Zakim> +CarlosV; got it
15:11:38 <JibberJim> SZ: Some minor comments addressed in the Schema doc and now ready for review
15:12:01 <JibberJim> SZ: Any additional comments on it?
15:12:40 <JibberJim> CV: Namespace changed?
15:13:03 <JibberJim> SZ: We're going to request the namespace change with the last call request to publish
15:13:32 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL/nmg-strawman#
15:13:51 <JibberJim> SZ: nmg-strawman in the current namespace
15:14:26 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/2007/earl#
15:14:34 <JibberJim> SZ: We said we'd stay with this until last call and then change to http://www.w3.org/2007/earl#
15:14:50 <JibberJim> SZ: And we need directors approval for that namespace and we'll request that at LC time
15:16:03 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/schema.rdf
15:19:23 <JibberJim> CI: In Section 2.3 testSubject - should we clarify which date to use tested or identified
15:20:16 <JibberJim> CI: e.g. if you tested something "it should be the date tested" or "if you fetched it but didn't test immediately use the fetch dated"
15:20:31 <JibberJim> SZ: There's another, which is the creation of date of a web-resource
15:20:45 <JibberJim> CI: For testing proposals, I think you need the date of the test
15:21:37 <JibberJim> SZ: this is the testSubject class so it's "what was tested" not information about the test
15:22:48 <JibberJim> CI: creation date of a resource is unreliable, you can't rely on it so for me the test date it was run is more reliable and useful
15:24:44 <JibberJim> CI: We need to develop something in the date property so people should know what to expect here.
15:25:46 <JibberJim> SZ: We should try to pick this up on mailing list - I agree more description on the dc:date would be good, and maybe add date to the test result too.
15:26:37 <JibberJim> CI: Section 2.4 earl:Test Criterion - unclear language confusion between testable and test criterion, testable is the Class but we confuse with test criterion
15:27:33 <JibberJim> SZ: This is just an editorial comment?
15:27:36 <JibberJim> CI: Yes
15:29:24 <JibberJim> CI: We should be clearer on references we use
15:29:58 <JibberJim> SZ: We should increase the examples
15:30:33 <JibberJim> CI: I'd like to add a note to encourage the use of WCAG public URI's
15:30:45 <JibberJim> CV: We discussed that before - close to Test Description language
15:31:16 <JibberJim> CI: I want to avoid an incompatibility problem, by encouraging the right URI's up front
15:31:22 <JibberJim> CV: I don't think we can solve this problem here
15:31:46 <JibberJim> SZ: I think we could do some things - e.g. instead of using example.org uri's use real ones from the HTML test-suite or something
15:33:03 <JibberJim> SZ: Please send your comments to the list
15:35:40 <shadi> zakim, take up next
15:35:40 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Updated HTTP Vocabulary in RDF Editor's Draft" taken up [from shadi]
15:35:56 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/HTTP/WD-HTTP-in-RDF-20070301
15:37:22 <JibberJim> SZ: Substantial changes out of the F2F
15:39:53 <JibberJim> SZ: Next week want the decision on publish or not too publish
15:41:14 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/HTTP/WD-HTTP-in-RDF-20070301#body
15:42:56 <JibberJim> SZ: CV was it understandable?
15:43:09 <JibberJim> CV: Yes it was clear
15:43:21 <JohannesK> RFC for data URI scheme is RFC 2397
15:43:48 <JibberJim> CV: although DATA URI's aren't well known
15:44:01 <JibberJim> SZ: So we should probably have clearer link to the DATA RFC reference
15:45:02 <JibberJim> ACTION: JK and SZ to add RFC 2397 to references, and link it from section 2.6
15:46:59 <JibberJim> SZ: Should we have cardinality restrictions on some of the properties?
15:47:42 <JibberJim> SZ: e.g. on parameters we require two things sometimes, but don't require people to record things like HTTP response codes - or with 10 response codes
15:48:15 <JibberJim> SZ: so we could require at most 1 response code, or no exactly 1
15:49:00 <JibberJim> SZ: JK had preference for exactly 1, I think you might want to report a broken HTTP response without a response code
15:49:32 <JibberJim> JL: I like the idea of at most 1
15:50:12 <JibberJim> JK: I favour exactly 1, as I don't think it's ocmplete but I could live with at most 1
15:50:31 <JibberJim> JK: I feel a response without a response code would not be a response but an error
15:51:25 <JibberJim> CI: I think there are several use cases where we require minimal information to make sense and responseCode should be one of those
15:51:50 <JibberJim> SZ: Okay sounds like something for the mailing list
15:52:11 <Zakim> -Jim
15:52:20 <JohannesK> scribe: JohannesK
15:53:06 <JohannesK> CV: what's the use case for not having a response code?
15:53:51 <JohannesK> SAZ: stand-alone, server sends incomplete response, you want to be able to describe this
15:54:57 <JohannesK> ACTION: SAZ to send mail for discussing missing response code scenario to mailing list
15:55:02 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/HTTP/WD-HTTP-in-RDF-20070301#example
15:56:35 <JohannesK> SAZ: appendix D: realistic example, but only one request/response pair; should we have a second request/response pair (e.g. additional image to show data URI)?
15:57:24 <JohannesK> JK: good to have more request/response pairs to show that more than one request is possible in connection
15:57:54 <JohannesK> ACTION: JK to add another request/repsonse pair (image) to appendix D
15:59:04 <JohannesK> SAZ: there's an issue with document type declaration in body, you cannot use it directly with parseType="Literal"
15:59:40 <JohannesK> SAZ: keep it this way
15:59:42 <shadi> zakim, take up next
15:59:43 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Updated EARL Introduction page" taken up [from shadi]
15:59:45 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/earl.php
16:00:54 <JohannesK> SAZ: introduction page about EARL, updated to latest work
16:01:07 <JohannesK> SAZ: send comments about it
16:01:38 <JohannesK> CI: why is EARL Guide in Technical, not Educational section?
16:01:56 <JohannesK> SAZ: EARL Guide will be published as technical document
16:02:17 <JohannesK> SAZ: Educational is more like presentations, ...
16:02:56 <JohannesK> CI: add information about status of EARL to encourage feedback
16:03:37 <JohannesK> ACTION: SAZ to add text about encouraging feedback on EARL intro page
16:03:48 <shadi> zakim, take up next
16:03:48 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Check-in on Last Call publication schedule" taken up [from shadi]
16:03:58 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/earl.php
16:04:10 <JohannesK> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Feb/0068
16:04:12 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Feb/0068
16:05:07 <CarlosV> I need to take off, see you next week
16:05:08 <Zakim> -CarlosV
16:05:19 <JohannesK> SAZ: nearly in time
16:05:37 <JohannesK> SAZ: Jim will be able to create a new pointers draft next week
16:06:30 <JohannesK> SAZ: later tonight strawpoll will be open for publication of EARL schema draft as last call
16:07:04 <JohannesK> SAZ: send comments also to list first, then vote later
16:07:26 <Zakim> -johannesK
16:07:29 <Zakim> -Shadi
16:07:35 <Zakim> -CarlosI
16:07:37 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended
16:07:38 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, CarlosI, johannesK, Jim, CarlosV
16:09:31 <shadi> zakim, bye
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16:09:39 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
16:09:43 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
16:09:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-er-minutes.html shadi
16:09:45 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
16:09:51 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
16:09:51 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-er-actions.rdf :
16:09:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JK and SZ to add RFC 2397 to references, and link it from section 2.6 [1]
16:09:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-er-irc#T15-45-02
16:09:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SAZ to send mail for discussing missing response code scenario to mailing list [2]
16:09:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-er-irc#T15-54-57
16:09:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JK to add another request/repsonse pair (image) to appendix D [3]
16:09:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-er-irc#T15-57-54
16:09:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SAZ to add text about encouraging feedback on EARL intro page [4]
16:09:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-er-irc#T16-03-37