IRC log of databinding on 2007-03-06

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Zakim, this will be DBWG

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Meeting: Databinding WG Teleconference

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Date: 06 March 2007

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zakim, code?

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the conference code is 3294 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), pauld

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+ +0791888aaaa

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zakim, aaaa is me

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+pauld; got it

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+George_Cowe

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zakim, who's here?

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On the phone I see pauld, George_Cowe

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On IRC I see gcowe, Zakim, RRSAgent, pauld, Yves, trackbot

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+Yves

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+Jon_Calladine

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scribe: pauld

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Topic: Administrivia

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding/2007Mar/0003.html

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chair: pauld

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minutes from last two telcons and the F2F approved

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gcowe: suggested F2F 18-20 April

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+ +44.131.313.aabb

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-Jon_Calladine

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zakim, aabb is Jon_Calladine

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+Jon_Calladine; got it

15:13:22 [pauld]

pauld: heard a lot of love for the WG at the Workshop last week

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.. challenge is to turn that into participation

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.. maybe we could have an event to promote our work to implementers

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jonc: a day at a F2F, maybe May-June to promote our testsuite sounds good

15:16:21 [pauld]

gcowe: are we ready for that, we need to do more work to be in a position to run an event

15:17:12 [pauld]

pauld: a F2F to prepare our testsuite and documentation might be a good way forward

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pauld: I'd like to get XFire and WSO2 onto a test report and have them compete to interoperate

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jonc: would that encourage others to participate?

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jonc: a publicised webinar might not involve commitment

15:19:53 [pauld]

pauld: a screencast might be a good way forward, something can run in their own home

15:22:58 [pauld]

.. show checking of a schema using the patterns detection service, running a test of Axis2

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yves: publishing a report would help a lot - people will send comments

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Topic: Test Suite

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jonc: been looking for missing patterns in our WSDLs

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.. choice still being throw up by different usage of choice

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.. choice with different cardinalities

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pauld: are you making the patterns more generic, or adding more patterns?

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.. just tred carefully making the patterns too generic

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gcowe: need to look into this further

15:28:10 [pauld]

pauld: best to build up with fine grained pattersn

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s/ersn/erns/

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Topic: test report

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yves: been working on the checking of the response XML to request XML

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.. attributeDefault required a specific check

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.. close to having something "good enough"

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.. ready to work on aggregation

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.. verification is based on the example name, e.g integer triggers integer comparison

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pauld: working on pattern detection for schemas in the wild

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Topic: running the test

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pauld: toolkit.xml excludes examples which cause barfing

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.. runit HTTP POSTs instance documents and builds output.xml

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pauld: as usual I'm the weakest link, but you guys are making me look bad, so that's good news

15:37:19 [pauld]

gcowe: so the one service does all the operations?

15:37:22 [pauld]

pauld: yes

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gcowe: barf-dancing for Axis took an hour and a half with the deploy/undeploy step

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Topic: Last Call Comments

15:38:16 [pauld]

pauld: still not updated EXIT, sorry!

15:38:31 [pauld]

pauld: have had some new comments

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pauld: philippe asked "is choice a basic pattern"

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pauld: difficult to tell at present, philippe has offered to help build a table at the end of the spec for the use of each schema element

15:41:29 [pauld]

pauld: Hugo also commented on the complexity of XPaths, I'll try and tidy them up, and write an introduction

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jonc: we've found that some XPaths have to be complex

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jonc: we've found the XPath reported for "unknowns" isn't always valid

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gcowe: it looks like an XPath, but maybe the stylesheet is breaking the lines up and making them invalid?

15:44:35 [pauld]

pauld: sounds like a bug! I wrote that code, maybe you could send mail and I'll fix it

15:45:58 [pauld]

jonc: a certain toolkit "voldermort" is rejecting our schemas, which contain circular references

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.. can we write an XPath to detect that?

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pauld: possibly within a single schema document

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.. or a WSDL

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.. but not with import and include, not easily that is

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.. we have the same issue with include

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pauld: we could apply an assertion

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.. we need to add assertions to the validation service -for encoding etc

15:49:08 [pauld]

jonc: would circular dependencies and mandatory links is asking for trouble

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.. minOccurs="n>0" is asking for trouble

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pauld: raise an issue

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we'll meet again in two weeks time

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ADJOURED

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-pauld

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-Jon_Calladine

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-Yves

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-George_Cowe

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Attendees were +0791888aaaa, pauld, George_Cowe, Yves, Jon_Calladine, +44.131.313.aabb

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-databinding-minutes.html pauld

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