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20:57:16 <bob> zakim, this will be ws_addrwg
20:57:16 <Zakim> ok, bob; I see WS_AddrWG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
20:57:35 <bob> Meeting Web Services Addressing WG Teleconference
20:57:44 <bob> Chair: Bob Freund
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20:58:49 <Zakim> +Gilbert_Pilz
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21:00:10 <Zakim> +David_Illsley
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21:01:19 <bob> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2007Mar/0027.html
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21:02:33 <Zakim> +??P7
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21:03:38 <bob> zakim, mute ??P8
21:03:38 <Zakim> ??P8 should now be muted
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21:04:00 <bob> zakim, ??P7 is katy
21:04:00 <Zakim> +katy; got it
21:04:11 <MrGoodner> that would help :-)
21:04:16 <bob> zakim, ??P8 is MrGoodner
21:04:16 <Zakim> +MrGoodner; got it
21:04:20 <plh> zakim, unmute ?p8
21:04:20 <Zakim> sorry, plh, I do not know which phone connection belongs to ?p8
21:04:26 <bob> zakim, unmute mrgoodner
21:04:26 <Zakim> MrGoodner should no longer be muted
21:05:06 <Zakim> +Tom_Rutt
21:05:40 <plh> Regrets: Tony, Anish
21:05:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-ws-addr-minutes.html plh
21:06:42 <plh> Meeting: WS-Addressing
21:07:01 <bob> Topic: Last Call issue
21:07:10 <bob> scribe: bob
21:07:16 <plh> Present: Gilbert_Pilz, Bob_Freund, David_Illsley, Plh, Chris_Ferris, Dave_Hull, katy, MrGoodner, Tom Rutt
21:07:33 <plh> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2007Mar/0026.html Consolodated list of Alternatives A thru D to resolved WS ADDR LC comment
21:08:30 <bob> TomR: Major point is to make all of the assertions requirements
21:08:48 <bob> ... The first two are probably non-starters
21:09:17 <bob> ... I do not want to spend time on alternative a since it has problems
21:10:04 <bob> ... Alternative b is just like a and has similiar problems.
21:11:15 <bob> ... Alternative c can be made to work, but I think that its use-case is fairly small.
21:12:33 <bob> ... Alternative d is my preference.
21:12:45 <Katy> q+
21:13:38 <Zakim> +??P1
21:14:06 <bob> ... These proposals pertain to the response message and can handle mixed alternatives since it pertains to a single exchange
21:14:23 <bob> zakim, ??P1 is paco
21:14:23 <Zakim> +paco; got it
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21:15:12 <bob> Katy: I think that we have been over this ground before, I think that we established a need.
21:16:12 <bob> TomR: I think that you need to come up with a use case when a server needs to specify a delayed response.
21:16:30 <bob> Katy: The case is a server behind a firewall
21:16:52 <bob> TomR: How would it get the request in the first case?
21:17:28 <MrGoodner> q+
21:17:30 <gpilz> q+
21:17:55 <bob> TomR: Is that use case strong enough to support this alternative?
21:18:34 <bob> MarcG: We have not talked about informational items expressed as parameters.
21:18:39 <MrGoodner> q-
21:18:56 <bob> zakim, who is making noise?
21:19:07 <Zakim> bob, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Gilbert_Pilz (34%), Bob_Freund (28%), Chris_Ferris (31%)
21:19:18 <bob> ack katy
21:19:26 <bob> ack gpilz
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21:19:42 <bob> TomR: I guess parameters can be alternative e
21:20:29 <David_Illsley> q+
21:20:40 <bob> Gil: Features should be weighed against their usefulness and necessity
21:20:45 <bob> ack david
21:21:10 <Zakim> -katy
21:21:17 <bob> David: In terms of use cases, Anish mentioned one where a service might take a long time to develop a response.
21:21:56 <TRutt_> q+
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21:22:10 <bob> ack tru
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21:22:45 <bob> ack gpi
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21:23:20 <bob> Gil: Parameters are low cost, but the default intersection algorithm will not deal with them.
21:23:37 <bob> TomR: Parameters will be passed to you.
21:23:49 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
21:24:21 <bob> ack cfer
21:24:36 <David_Illsley> q+
21:24:46 <MrGoodner> q+
21:24:56 <bob> Cfer: Although I am in favor of E, one must be aware of the cost.
21:25:04 <David_Illsley> q-
21:25:36 <bob> ... The cost is the need to understand the interpretation of the parameters.
21:26:14 <bob> ... on the other hand, dealing with all of the combinatorial mechanics, one might end up with a rediculously comples think
21:26:25 <bob> ack mrg
21:26:54 <cferris> s/redic/ridic/
21:27:02 <gpilz> q+
21:27:04 <cferris> s/comples/complex/
21:27:21 <bob> MarcG: I do not think that we need to define the logic, it might be good enough to convey the information
21:27:41 <bob> ack gpilz
21:28:40 <TRutt_> q+
21:28:44 <Katy> q+
21:28:55 <bob> Gil:  I support alternative e and to break down the parameters to fine granularity
21:29:03 <bob> ack tru
21:30:46 <bob> TomR: Do we need the complexity, isn't it enough to express what the server supports, after all, the client picks.
21:31:04 <bob> ack katy
21:31:08 <dhull> q+
21:31:23 <bob> ack dhu
21:32:28 <TRutt_> q+
21:32:50 <David_Illsley> q+
21:33:10 <bob> ack tru
21:33:37 <bob> ack david
21:34:02 <bob> Bob: Are there any objections to alternative e?   
21:35:57 <gpilz> q+ - to ask a question
21:36:06 <gpilz> q- -
21:36:18 <gpilz> q+ gil to ask a question
21:37:11 <bob> Gil: if it just says "addressing" and there are no parameters, what does it mean?
21:37:19 <bob> ack gil
21:37:19 <Zakim> gil, you wanted to ask a question
21:39:12 <bob> action: TomR to craft some new language utilizing policy parameters by tomorrow
21:39:25 <bob> Topic: WS-Naming
21:40:50 <bob> plh: WS-Naming claims to profile ws-addressing, but violates ws-addressing
21:44:03 <bob> action: distribute "key points" in ws-naming
21:45:00 <Zakim> -Gilbert_Pilz
21:45:01 <Zakim> -Plh
21:45:03 <Zakim> -MrGoodner
21:45:04 <Zakim> -Tom_Rutt
21:45:06 <Zakim> -Chris_Ferris
21:45:06 <bob> Next meeting to be March 19
21:45:07 <Zakim> -David_Illsley
21:45:09 <Zakim> -paco
21:45:10 <Zakim> -Bob_Freund
21:45:18 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
21:45:22 <Zakim> -Dave_Hull
21:45:47 <bob> rrsagent, make logs public
21:45:58 <bob> rrsagent, generate minutes
21:45:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-ws-addr-minutes.html bob
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21:47:19 <Zakim> WS_AddrWG()4:00PM has ended
21:47:20 <Zakim> Attendees were Gilbert_Pilz, Bob_Freund, David_Illsley, Plh, Chris_Ferris, Dave_Hull, katy, MrGoodner, Tom_Rutt, paco, Paul_Knight, [IPcaller]
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