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15:11:19 <TonyR> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:11:19 <Zakim> sorry, TonyR, I don't know what conference this is
15:11:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, keith_, jkaputin, charlton, TonyR, Arthur
15:11:27 <TonyR> zakim, this is wsdl
15:11:27 <Zakim> ok, TonyR; that matches WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM
15:11:31 <TonyR> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:11:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see Roland_Merrick, Ruchith_Fernando, ??P37
15:11:40 <TonyR> zakim, ?? is me
15:11:40 <Zakim> +TonyR; got it
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15:18:44 <Zakim> +[Canon]
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15:31:45 <Zakim> -Roland_Merrick
15:31:46 <Zakim> -TonyR
15:31:46 <Zakim> -[Canon]
15:31:49 <Zakim> -Ruchith_Fernando
15:31:50 <Zakim> WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM has ended
15:31:51 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland_Merrick, Jonathan, Ruchith_Fernando, TonyR, [Canon]
15:38:39 <TonyR> zakim, this will be wsdwg
15:38:39 <Zakim> ok, TonyR; I see WS_DescWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 22 minutes
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15:43:08 <Jonathan> rrsagent, where am I?
15:43:08 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2007/03/01-ws-desc-irc#T15-43-08
15:43:20 <Jonathan> Not till after the calls.
15:43:27 <Jonathan> rrsagent, set log world
15:43:43 <Jonathan> OK.
15:43:50 <Jonathan> anything to report?
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15:56:01 <Zakim> +??P0
15:56:09 <TonyR> zakim, ?? is me
15:56:09 <Zakim> +TonyR; got it
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15:58:53 <Zakim> +Charlton_Barreto
15:59:06 <TonyR> wsdwg
15:59:15 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:59:35 <Zakim> +alewis
16:00:05 <Jonathan> Zakim, [IPcaller] is Jonathan
16:00:05 <Zakim> +Jonathan; got it
16:00:53 <Jonathan> zakim, who's on the phone?
16:00:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see TonyR, Charlton_Barreto, Jonathan, alewis
16:01:01 <Zakim> +Tom_Jordahl
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16:01:48 <JacekK> zakim, ??P46 is me
16:01:48 <Zakim> +JacekK; got it
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16:04:38 <Zakim> -??P5
16:04:46 <Zakim> +[IBMUK]
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16:06:19 <Zakim> +??P31
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16:07:10 <TomJ> Scribe: Tomj
16:07:51 <TomJ> Topic: Approval of minutes
16:07:54 <Zakim> +m2
16:08:00 <TomJ> Minutes are approved with no comments
16:08:10 <TomJ> Topic: Review of Action items
16:08:30 <Zakim> +Roberto
16:08:31 <TomJ> Jonathan reviews his completed actions
16:09:08 <TomJ> Others are not in attendance
16:09:54 <TomJ> Topic: CR issues
16:10:08 <TomJ> Topic: Issue CR147: RFC: operation safety as semantic annotation?
16:10:16 <TomJ> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/5/cr-issues/#CR147
16:10:49 <TomJ> Jack: Tag wants this to be doable.
16:11:10 <TomJ> ... Tag does not have a preference on where the work is done, WSDL is fine
16:12:42 <TomJ> Jack: Prefers that the extension be removed from WSDL
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16:13:40 <TomJ> Tomj: Asks for clarification of issue
16:14:51 <Zakim> +[Canon]
16:15:38 <TomJ> Jack: SAWSDL seems like a better place to add the safety
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16:15:59 <TomJ> Roberto: Does saWSDL have something we can use today?
16:16:10 <TomJ> Jack: there are hooks available
16:16:47 <TomJ> Jack: We would move WSDL 2.0 safety to saWSDL spec
16:17:17 <TomJ> Jack: a more suitable group to handle
16:17:45 <TomJ> TomJ: doesn't like the syntax, makes it more complex
16:18:09 <asir> Tom, are you using the safety feature?
16:18:42 <TomJ> No, I am not using it
16:19:08 <Roberto> q+
16:19:14 <TomJ> Jack: Explains to Tom how implementation might work
16:19:21 <Jonathan> ack roberto
16:20:08 <TomJ> Roberto: The default behavior in the HTTP binding is a good thing - REST people in particular might like it
16:20:32 <TomJ> Jonathan: agrees that safety does help REST
16:21:40 <TomJ> Jack: saWSDL would specify this in a cleaner way.
16:22:04 <TomJ> Tomj: Does see a complelling reason to remove it from WSDL just because another spec could specify it
16:23:17 <TomJ> Jonathan: saWSDL can use the WSDL2 safety attribute
16:23:44 <TomJ> Janathan: Can we leave the status quo?
16:23:53 <TomJ> Tony: Yes
16:23:59 <TomJ> Jack; Does not object
16:24:04 <TomJ> s/;/:/
16:24:22 <TomJ> Jonathan: Any objects to closing CR 147 with no further action?  NO
16:24:30 <TomJ> RESOLVED: Close CR147 with no action
16:24:45 <TomJ> Topic: Issue CR021: Re: WSDL describing Interface operation safety
16:24:52 <TomJ>  http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/5/cr-issues/#CR021
16:25:19 <TomJ> Jonathan: Feels we have fulfilled this action - tracked through CR
16:25:39 <alewis> +1
16:25:41 <TomJ> Janathan: Proposes we declare success on this
16:25:48 <TomJ> various +1s
16:26:06 <TomJ> RESOLVED: Close CR021 
16:26:22 <TomJ> ACTION: Jonathan report back to the TAG with status on safety
16:26:37 <TomJ> Topic: Issue CR157: RE: LocationTemplate-1G test 
16:26:45 <TomJ> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/5/cr-issues/#CR157
16:27:58 <TomJ> Jonathan: Any objections to adopting the editorial improvements in the issue?  No
16:28:36 <TomJ> Question 1: character encoding
16:29:50 <TomJ> Jonathan: Proposal is to do nothing
16:30:14 <TomJ> Tomj: Implicit assumption that characters the MAY be encoded can be encoded
16:31:06 <TomJ> Question 2: Is this clear in the spec?
16:31:26 <TomJ> Tony; Seems like a test suite problem its doing a dumb comparison not a smart one
16:32:59 <TomJ> Discussion about the test suite and how it should behave
16:33:23 <TomJ> Tony: believes nothing wrong with the spec.
16:35:18 <TomJ> Youen: Its safer to say that you MUST encode characters
16:35:33 <TomJ> s/Youen/Youenn/
16:37:13 <TomJ> Youenn: should make encoding the default with a SHOULD
16:42:02 <Zakim> -Charlton_Barreto
16:42:17 <TomJ> Discussion about how and why to encode characters
16:45:07 <jkaputin_> reserved    = gen-delims / sub-delims
16:45:07 <jkaputin_>       gen-delims  = ":" / "/" / "?" / "#" / "[" / "]" / "@"
16:45:07 <jkaputin_>       sub-delims  = "!" / "$" / "&" / "'" / "(" / ")"
16:45:07 <jkaputin_>                   / "*" / "+" / "," / ";" / "="
16:49:22 <Jonathan> The characters in the range: ALPHA | DIGIT | "-" | "." | "_" | "~" 
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16:49:25 <TomJ> Proposal: Split the list and move everything after the ~ to a SHOULD section
16:49:46 <Jonathan> "!" | "$" | "'" | "(" | ")" | "*" | "+" | "," | ";" | "=" | ":" | "@" | "?" | "/"
16:50:39 <TomJ> No other comments?
16:50:58 <TomJ> Jonathan: Any objects to adopting the proposal?  NO
16:51:34 <TomJ> RESOLVED: Split the character encoding table to address questions 2 in CR 157
16:51:56 <TomJ> Question 3: Editorial improvements will be adopted
16:52:07 <TomJ> Question 4: Is "&" a harmful character before the "?".  If not, we should
16:52:07 <TomJ> add it to the excluded list.
16:54:04 <TomJ> Jonathan: Any object to adding "&" in to the list of SHOULD characters?  NO
16:54:14 <TomJ> Question 5: Are ";" and "=" harmful characters before the "?".  If so, we
16:54:14 <TomJ> should remove them from the excluded list.
16:55:57 <TomJ> Any objections to doing nothing as they are already in the SHOULD list?  NO
16:56:07 <Zakim> -Jonathan
16:56:30 <Jonathan> zakim, code?
16:56:30 <Zakim> the conference code is 97394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Jonathan
16:57:19 <Jonathan> telling me the code isn't valide.
16:59:32 <TomJ> Topic: CR156: Query parameter separator value
16:59:39 <TomJ> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/5/cr-issues/#CR156
16:59:53 <youenn> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2007Feb/0216.html
17:01:00 <Zakim> +??P4
17:02:08 <TomJ> Youenn: explains the issue
17:02:22 <TomJ> Tony: Any comments?  (chirp chirp of crickets...)
17:03:46 <TomJ> Tony: Recommend that ; and & be added as as the seperated chars
17:04:30 <Jonathan>   [a-zA-Z0-9\-\._~!$&amp;'\(\):@/\?\*\+,;]{1,1}
17:05:02 <TonyR> RESOLUTION: accept Jonathan's proposal, as modified by Jacek, with the addition of a NOTE as requested by Youenn (NOTE: semicolon and ampersand most commonly accepted separators)
17:05:21 <Jonathan>   [&amp;;a-zA-Z0-9\-\._~!$'\(\):@/\?\*\+,]{1,1}
17:05:41 <TonyR> s/accept Jonathan's/accept to close CR156 Jonathan's/
17:06:08 <TomJ> Topic: CR155:  Proposal for Assertion InterfaceMessageReference-0042
17:06:27 <TomJ> jonathan: proposes to put it in errata list
17:07:44 <TomJ> Jack: Add errata before we ship?
17:08:16 <TomJ> Jonathan: Yes, it doesn't affect the spec in a meaningful way
17:10:20 <TomJ> RESOLVED: Put this issue on our errata list
17:13:21 <TomJ> Topic: Document Status
17:13:32 <asir> Jonathan, am wondering if you have to replace the &amp; entity ref with a character reference
17:13:45 <TomJ> Jonathan: working group needs to vote to PR
17:14:27 <TomJ> Jonathan: Editorial status looks good
17:14:46 <TomJ> Jonathan: Primer is ready
17:15:02 <TomJ> Jonathan: Must build set of documents with new namespace
17:15:49 <TomJ> ... implementation status looks good, lots of green for interchange, 
17:16:00 <TomJ> ... message level tests are about as green as they are going to get
17:16:49 <TomJ> ... shuold be good enough to proceed
17:18:00 <TomJ> s/shuold/should/
17:18:36 <TomJ> Jonanthan: Proposes to take a vote to go to PR contingent on the interop report being updated.
17:18:59 <alewis> tibco +1
17:19:12 <TomJ> s/Jonanthan/Jonathan/
17:20:00 <TomJ> +1 to vote
17:21:04 <monica1> wow!
17:21:11 <monica1> :>)
17:21:11 <jkaputin_> woo hoo (for Arthur)
17:21:37 <TomJ> No objections to moving to PR
17:22:14 <TomJ> Topic: SOAP 1.1 binding, RDF Maping and Additional MEPs
17:22:16 <Zakim> +Gilbert_Pilz
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17:22:58 <TomJ> Do we have permission to publish these three documents as working drafts?
17:23:25 <Jonathan> RESOLUTION: Move Primer, Part 1 and Part 2 to PR.
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17:26:40 <TomJ> No objections to publishing extra documents as working drafts at the same time as we do the PR?
17:26:45 <TomJ> No objections
17:27:01 <monica1> sigh
17:27:22 <TomJ> Topic: future telcons
17:27:36 <TomJ> implementors calls will be on demand
17:27:57 <TomJ> Next weeks telcon is on, but will hopefully be canceled if no problems.
17:28:00 <TonyR> No implementor's call next week
17:29:48 <TomJ> discussion about how errata will be handled after WSDL goes away (June 2007).
17:30:14 <TomJ> Jonathan: Idea of having a WS-core group that will handle issues for WSDL and other specs.
17:33:03 <TomJ> Congratulations on Shipping the spec!!!
17:33:06 <Zakim> -JacekK
17:33:10 <TomJ> Topic: Finally done
17:33:20 <Zakim> -m2
17:33:21 <Zakim> -Jonathan
17:33:22 <TomJ> almost 5 years of effort are complete
17:33:22 <Zakim> -TonyR
17:33:22 <Zakim> -??P31
17:33:23 <Zakim> -[IBMUK]
17:33:24 <Zakim> -alewis
17:33:25 <Zakim> -[Canon]
17:33:27 <Zakim> -Roberto
17:33:28 <Zakim> -Tom_Jordahl
17:33:30 <Zakim> -Gilbert_Pilz
17:33:33 <monica1> congrats!
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17:34:07 <Jonathan> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:34:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/01-ws-desc-minutes.html Jonathan
17:34:28 <Jonathan> rrsagent, set log world
17:35:13 <Jonathan> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:35:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/01-ws-desc-minutes.html Jonathan
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17:35:56 <Jonathan> Meeting: WS Description WG telcon
17:35:59 <Jonathan> Chair: Jonathan
17:36:12 <Jonathan> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:36:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/01-ws-desc-minutes.html Jonathan
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17:38:34 <Zakim> Attendees were TonyR, Charlton_Barreto, alewis, Jonathan, Tom_Jordahl, JacekK, [IBMUK], +1.425.836.aaaa, asir, m2, Roberto, [Canon], Gilbert_Pilz
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