IRC log of ws-desc on 2007-03-01

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15:11:19 [TonyR]
zakim, who is on the phone?
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sorry, TonyR, I don't know what conference this is
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, keith_, jkaputin, charlton, TonyR, Arthur
15:11:27 [TonyR]
zakim, this is wsdl
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ok, TonyR; that matches WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM
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zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see Roland_Merrick, Ruchith_Fernando, ??P37
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zakim, ?? is me
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+TonyR; got it
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Attendees were Roland_Merrick, Jonathan, Ruchith_Fernando, TonyR, [Canon]
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zakim, this will be wsdwg
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ok, TonyR; I see WS_DescWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 22 minutes
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rrsagent, where am I?
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Not till after the calls.
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rrsagent, set log world
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anything to report?
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zakim, ?? is me
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+TonyR; got it
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Zakim, [IPcaller] is Jonathan
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+Jonathan; got it
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zakim, who's on the phone?
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On the phone I see TonyR, Charlton_Barreto, Jonathan, alewis
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zakim, ??P46 is me
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+JacekK; got it
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+ +1.425.836.aaaa
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Scribe: Tomj
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Topic: Approval of minutes
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Minutes are approved with no comments
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Topic: Review of Action items
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Jonathan reviews his completed actions
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Others are not in attendance
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Topic: CR issues
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Topic: Issue CR147: RFC: operation safety as semantic annotation?
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16:10:49 [TomJ]
Jack: Tag wants this to be doable.
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... Tag does not have a preference on where the work is done, WSDL is fine
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Jack: Prefers that the extension be removed from WSDL
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Tomj: Asks for clarification of issue
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Jack: SAWSDL seems like a better place to add the safety
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Roberto: Does saWSDL have something we can use today?
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Jack: there are hooks available
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Jack: We would move WSDL 2.0 safety to saWSDL spec
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Jack: a more suitable group to handle
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TomJ: doesn't like the syntax, makes it more complex
16:18:09 [asir]
Tom, are you using the safety feature?
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No, I am not using it
16:19:08 [Roberto]
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Jack: Explains to Tom how implementation might work
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ack roberto
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Roberto: The default behavior in the HTTP binding is a good thing - REST people in particular might like it
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Jonathan: agrees that safety does help REST
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Jack: saWSDL would specify this in a cleaner way.
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Tomj: Does see a complelling reason to remove it from WSDL just because another spec could specify it
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Jonathan: saWSDL can use the WSDL2 safety attribute
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Janathan: Can we leave the status quo?
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Tony: Yes
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Jack; Does not object
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Jonathan: Any objects to closing CR 147 with no further action? NO
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RESOLVED: Close CR147 with no action
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Topic: Issue CR021: Re: WSDL describing Interface operation safety
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Jonathan: Feels we have fulfilled this action - tracked through CR
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Janathan: Proposes we declare success on this
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various +1s
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ACTION: Jonathan report back to the TAG with status on safety
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Topic: Issue CR157: RE: LocationTemplate-1G test
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Jonathan: Any objections to adopting the editorial improvements in the issue? No
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Question 1: character encoding
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Jonathan: Proposal is to do nothing
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Tomj: Implicit assumption that characters the MAY be encoded can be encoded
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Question 2: Is this clear in the spec?
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Tony; Seems like a test suite problem its doing a dumb comparison not a smart one
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Discussion about the test suite and how it should behave
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Tony: believes nothing wrong with the spec.
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Youen: Its safer to say that you MUST encode characters
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Youenn: should make encoding the default with a SHOULD
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Discussion about how and why to encode characters
16:45:07 [jkaputin_]
reserved = gen-delims / sub-delims
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gen-delims = ":" / "/" / "?" / "#" / "[" / "]" / "@"
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sub-delims = "!" / "$" / "&" / "'" / "(" / ")"
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/ "*" / "+" / "," / ";" / "="
16:49:22 [Jonathan]
The characters in the range: ALPHA | DIGIT | "-" | "." | "_" | "~"
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Proposal: Split the list and move everything after the ~ to a SHOULD section
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"!" | "$" | "'" | "(" | ")" | "*" | "+" | "," | ";" | "=" | ":" | "@" | "?" | "/"
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No other comments?
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Jonathan: Any objects to adopting the proposal? NO
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RESOLVED: Split the character encoding table to address questions 2 in CR 157
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Question 3: Editorial improvements will be adopted
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Question 4: Is "&" a harmful character before the "?". If not, we should
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add it to the excluded list.
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Jonathan: Any object to adding "&" in to the list of SHOULD characters? NO
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Question 5: Are ";" and "=" harmful characters before the "?". If so, we
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should remove them from the excluded list.
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Any objections to doing nothing as they are already in the SHOULD list? NO
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16:56:30 [Jonathan]
zakim, code?
16:56:30 [Zakim]
the conference code is 97394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+ tel:+44.117.370.6152), Jonathan
16:57:19 [Jonathan]
telling me the code isn't valide.
16:59:32 [TomJ]
Topic: CR156: Query parameter separator value
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Youenn: explains the issue
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Tony: Any comments? (chirp chirp of crickets...)
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Tony: Recommend that ; and & be added as as the seperated chars
17:04:30 [Jonathan]
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RESOLUTION: accept Jonathan's proposal, as modified by Jacek, with the addition of a NOTE as requested by Youenn (NOTE: semicolon and ampersand most commonly accepted separators)
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s/accept Jonathan's/accept to close CR156 Jonathan's/
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Topic: CR155: Proposal for Assertion InterfaceMessageReference-0042
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jonathan: proposes to put it in errata list
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Jack: Add errata before we ship?
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Jonathan: Yes, it doesn't affect the spec in a meaningful way
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RESOLVED: Put this issue on our errata list
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Topic: Document Status
17:13:32 [asir]
Jonathan, am wondering if you have to replace the & entity ref with a character reference
17:13:45 [TomJ]
Jonathan: working group needs to vote to PR
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Jonathan: Editorial status looks good
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Jonathan: Primer is ready
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Jonathan: Must build set of documents with new namespace
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... implementation status looks good, lots of green for interchange,
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... message level tests are about as green as they are going to get
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... shuold be good enough to proceed
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Jonanthan: Proposes to take a vote to go to PR contingent on the interop report being updated.
17:18:59 [alewis]
tibco +1
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+1 to vote
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17:21:11 [jkaputin_]
woo hoo (for Arthur)
17:21:37 [TomJ]
No objections to moving to PR
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Topic: SOAP 1.1 binding, RDF Maping and Additional MEPs
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Do we have permission to publish these three documents as working drafts?
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RESOLUTION: Move Primer, Part 1 and Part 2 to PR.
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17:26:40 [TomJ]
No objections to publishing extra documents as working drafts at the same time as we do the PR?
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No objections
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Topic: future telcons
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implementors calls will be on demand
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Next weeks telcon is on, but will hopefully be canceled if no problems.
17:28:00 [TonyR]
No implementor's call next week
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discussion about how errata will be handled after WSDL goes away (June 2007).
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Jonathan: Idea of having a WS-core group that will handle issues for WSDL and other specs.
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Congratulations on Shipping the spec!!!
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Topic: Finally done
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almost 5 years of effort are complete
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate Jonathan
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rrsagent, set log world
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate Jonathan
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Meeting: WS Description WG telcon
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Chair: Jonathan
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate Jonathan
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Attendees were TonyR, Charlton_Barreto, alewis, Jonathan, Tom_Jordahl, JacekK, [IBMUK], +1.425.836.aaaa, asir, m2, Roberto, [Canon], Gilbert_Pilz
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