IRC log of ws-desc on 2007-03-01
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- 15:11:19 [TonyR]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 15:11:19 [Zakim]
- sorry, TonyR, I don't know what conference this is
- 15:11:20 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, keith_, jkaputin, charlton, TonyR, Arthur
- 15:11:27 [TonyR]
- zakim, this is wsdl
- 15:11:27 [Zakim]
- ok, TonyR; that matches WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- On the phone I see Roland_Merrick, Ruchith_Fernando, ??P37
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- zakim, ?? is me
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- +TonyR; got it
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- +[Canon]
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- -Roland_Merrick
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- -TonyR
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- -[Canon]
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- -Ruchith_Fernando
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- WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Roland_Merrick, Jonathan, Ruchith_Fernando, TonyR, [Canon]
- 15:38:39 [TonyR]
- zakim, this will be wsdwg
- 15:38:39 [Zakim]
- ok, TonyR; I see WS_DescWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 22 minutes
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- rrsagent, where am I?
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- See http://www.w3.org/2007/03/01-ws-desc-irc#T15-43-08
- 15:43:20 [Jonathan]
- Not till after the calls.
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- rrsagent, set log world
- 15:43:43 [Jonathan]
- OK.
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- anything to report?
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- WS_DescWG()11:00AM has now started
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- +??P0
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- zakim, ?? is me
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- +TonyR; got it
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- +Charlton_Barreto
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- wsdwg
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- +[IPcaller]
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- +alewis
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- Zakim, [IPcaller] is Jonathan
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- +Jonathan; got it
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- zakim, who's on the phone?
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- On the phone I see TonyR, Charlton_Barreto, Jonathan, alewis
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- +Tom_Jordahl
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- +??P46
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- zakim, ??P46 is me
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- +JacekK; got it
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- +??P5
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- -??P5
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- +[IBMUK]
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- + +1.425.836.aaaa
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- +??P31
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- 16:07:10 [TomJ]
- Scribe: Tomj
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- Topic: Approval of minutes
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- +m2
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- Minutes are approved with no comments
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- Topic: Review of Action items
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- +Roberto
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- Jonathan reviews his completed actions
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- Others are not in attendance
- 16:09:54 [TomJ]
- Topic: CR issues
- 16:10:08 [TomJ]
- Topic: Issue CR147: RFC: operation safety as semantic annotation?
- 16:10:16 [TomJ]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/5/cr-issues/#CR147
- 16:10:49 [TomJ]
- Jack: Tag wants this to be doable.
- 16:11:10 [TomJ]
- ... Tag does not have a preference on where the work is done, WSDL is fine
- 16:12:42 [TomJ]
- Jack: Prefers that the extension be removed from WSDL
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- Tomj: Asks for clarification of issue
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- +[Canon]
- 16:15:38 [TomJ]
- Jack: SAWSDL seems like a better place to add the safety
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- 16:15:59 [TomJ]
- Roberto: Does saWSDL have something we can use today?
- 16:16:10 [TomJ]
- Jack: there are hooks available
- 16:16:47 [TomJ]
- Jack: We would move WSDL 2.0 safety to saWSDL spec
- 16:17:17 [TomJ]
- Jack: a more suitable group to handle
- 16:17:45 [TomJ]
- TomJ: doesn't like the syntax, makes it more complex
- 16:18:09 [asir]
- Tom, are you using the safety feature?
- 16:18:42 [TomJ]
- No, I am not using it
- 16:19:08 [Roberto]
- q+
- 16:19:14 [TomJ]
- Jack: Explains to Tom how implementation might work
- 16:19:21 [Jonathan]
- ack roberto
- 16:20:08 [TomJ]
- Roberto: The default behavior in the HTTP binding is a good thing - REST people in particular might like it
- 16:20:32 [TomJ]
- Jonathan: agrees that safety does help REST
- 16:21:40 [TomJ]
- Jack: saWSDL would specify this in a cleaner way.
- 16:22:04 [TomJ]
- Tomj: Does see a complelling reason to remove it from WSDL just because another spec could specify it
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- Jonathan: saWSDL can use the WSDL2 safety attribute
- 16:23:44 [TomJ]
- Janathan: Can we leave the status quo?
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- Tony: Yes
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- Jack; Does not object
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- s/;/:/
- 16:24:22 [TomJ]
- Jonathan: Any objects to closing CR 147 with no further action? NO
- 16:24:30 [TomJ]
- RESOLVED: Close CR147 with no action
- 16:24:45 [TomJ]
- Topic: Issue CR021: Re: WSDL describing Interface operation safety
- 16:24:52 [TomJ]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/5/cr-issues/#CR021
- 16:25:19 [TomJ]
- Jonathan: Feels we have fulfilled this action - tracked through CR
- 16:25:39 [alewis]
- +1
- 16:25:41 [TomJ]
- Janathan: Proposes we declare success on this
- 16:25:48 [TomJ]
- various +1s
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- RESOLVED: Close CR021
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- ACTION: Jonathan report back to the TAG with status on safety
- 16:26:37 [TomJ]
- Topic: Issue CR157: RE: LocationTemplate-1G test
- 16:26:45 [TomJ]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/5/cr-issues/#CR157
- 16:27:58 [TomJ]
- Jonathan: Any objections to adopting the editorial improvements in the issue? No
- 16:28:36 [TomJ]
- Question 1: character encoding
- 16:29:50 [TomJ]
- Jonathan: Proposal is to do nothing
- 16:30:14 [TomJ]
- Tomj: Implicit assumption that characters the MAY be encoded can be encoded
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- Question 2: Is this clear in the spec?
- 16:31:26 [TomJ]
- Tony; Seems like a test suite problem its doing a dumb comparison not a smart one
- 16:32:59 [TomJ]
- Discussion about the test suite and how it should behave
- 16:33:23 [TomJ]
- Tony: believes nothing wrong with the spec.
- 16:35:18 [TomJ]
- Youen: Its safer to say that you MUST encode characters
- 16:35:33 [TomJ]
- s/Youen/Youenn/
- 16:37:13 [TomJ]
- Youenn: should make encoding the default with a SHOULD
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- -Charlton_Barreto
- 16:42:17 [TomJ]
- Discussion about how and why to encode characters
- 16:45:07 [jkaputin_]
- reserved = gen-delims / sub-delims
- 16:45:07 [jkaputin_]
- gen-delims = ":" / "/" / "?" / "#" / "[" / "]" / "@"
- 16:45:07 [jkaputin_]
- sub-delims = "!" / "$" / "&" / "'" / "(" / ")"
- 16:45:07 [jkaputin_]
- / "*" / "+" / "," / ";" / "="
- 16:49:22 [Jonathan]
- The characters in the range: ALPHA | DIGIT | "-" | "." | "_" | "~"
- 16:49:23 [monica1]
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- 16:49:25 [TomJ]
- Proposal: Split the list and move everything after the ~ to a SHOULD section
- 16:49:46 [Jonathan]
- "!" | "$" | "'" | "(" | ")" | "*" | "+" | "," | ";" | "=" | ":" | "@" | "?" | "/"
- 16:50:39 [TomJ]
- No other comments?
- 16:50:58 [TomJ]
- Jonathan: Any objects to adopting the proposal? NO
- 16:51:34 [TomJ]
- RESOLVED: Split the character encoding table to address questions 2 in CR 157
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- Question 3: Editorial improvements will be adopted
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- Question 4: Is "&" a harmful character before the "?". If not, we should
- 16:52:07 [TomJ]
- add it to the excluded list.
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- Jonathan: Any object to adding "&" in to the list of SHOULD characters? NO
- 16:54:14 [TomJ]
- Question 5: Are ";" and "=" harmful characters before the "?". If so, we
- 16:54:14 [TomJ]
- should remove them from the excluded list.
- 16:55:57 [TomJ]
- Any objections to doing nothing as they are already in the SHOULD list? NO
- 16:56:07 [Zakim]
- -Jonathan
- 16:56:30 [Jonathan]
- zakim, code?
- 16:56:30 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 97394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Jonathan
- 16:57:19 [Jonathan]
- telling me the code isn't valide.
- 16:59:32 [TomJ]
- Topic: CR156: Query parameter separator value
- 16:59:39 [TomJ]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/5/cr-issues/#CR156
- 16:59:53 [youenn]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2007Feb/0216.html
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- +??P4
- 17:02:08 [TomJ]
- Youenn: explains the issue
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- Tony: Any comments? (chirp chirp of crickets...)
- 17:03:46 [TomJ]
- Tony: Recommend that ; and & be added as as the seperated chars
- 17:04:30 [Jonathan]
- [a-zA-Z0-9\-\._~!$&'\(\):@/\?\*\+,;]{1,1}
- 17:05:02 [TonyR]
- RESOLUTION: accept Jonathan's proposal, as modified by Jacek, with the addition of a NOTE as requested by Youenn (NOTE: semicolon and ampersand most commonly accepted separators)
- 17:05:21 [Jonathan]
- [&;a-zA-Z0-9\-\._~!$'\(\):@/\?\*\+,]{1,1}
- 17:05:41 [TonyR]
- s/accept Jonathan's/accept to close CR156 Jonathan's/
- 17:06:08 [TomJ]
- Topic: CR155: Proposal for Assertion InterfaceMessageReference-0042
- 17:06:27 [TomJ]
- jonathan: proposes to put it in errata list
- 17:07:44 [TomJ]
- Jack: Add errata before we ship?
- 17:08:16 [TomJ]
- Jonathan: Yes, it doesn't affect the spec in a meaningful way
- 17:10:20 [TomJ]
- RESOLVED: Put this issue on our errata list
- 17:13:21 [TomJ]
- Topic: Document Status
- 17:13:32 [asir]
- Jonathan, am wondering if you have to replace the & entity ref with a character reference
- 17:13:45 [TomJ]
- Jonathan: working group needs to vote to PR
- 17:14:27 [TomJ]
- Jonathan: Editorial status looks good
- 17:14:46 [TomJ]
- Jonathan: Primer is ready
- 17:15:02 [TomJ]
- Jonathan: Must build set of documents with new namespace
- 17:15:49 [TomJ]
- ... implementation status looks good, lots of green for interchange,
- 17:16:00 [TomJ]
- ... message level tests are about as green as they are going to get
- 17:16:49 [TomJ]
- ... shuold be good enough to proceed
- 17:18:00 [TomJ]
- s/shuold/should/
- 17:18:36 [TomJ]
- Jonanthan: Proposes to take a vote to go to PR contingent on the interop report being updated.
- 17:18:59 [alewis]
- tibco +1
- 17:19:12 [TomJ]
- s/Jonanthan/Jonathan/
- 17:20:00 [TomJ]
- +1 to vote
- 17:21:04 [monica1]
- wow!
- 17:21:11 [monica1]
- :>)
- 17:21:11 [jkaputin_]
- woo hoo (for Arthur)
- 17:21:37 [TomJ]
- No objections to moving to PR
- 17:22:14 [TomJ]
- Topic: SOAP 1.1 binding, RDF Maping and Additional MEPs
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- +Gilbert_Pilz
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- Do we have permission to publish these three documents as working drafts?
- 17:23:25 [Jonathan]
- RESOLUTION: Move Primer, Part 1 and Part 2 to PR.
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- -??P4
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- +Jonathan
- 17:26:40 [TomJ]
- No objections to publishing extra documents as working drafts at the same time as we do the PR?
- 17:26:45 [TomJ]
- No objections
- 17:27:01 [monica1]
- sigh
- 17:27:22 [TomJ]
- Topic: future telcons
- 17:27:36 [TomJ]
- implementors calls will be on demand
- 17:27:57 [TomJ]
- Next weeks telcon is on, but will hopefully be canceled if no problems.
- 17:28:00 [TonyR]
- No implementor's call next week
- 17:29:48 [TomJ]
- discussion about how errata will be handled after WSDL goes away (June 2007).
- 17:30:14 [TomJ]
- Jonathan: Idea of having a WS-core group that will handle issues for WSDL and other specs.
- 17:33:03 [TomJ]
- Congratulations on Shipping the spec!!!
- 17:33:06 [Zakim]
- -JacekK
- 17:33:10 [TomJ]
- Topic: Finally done
- 17:33:20 [Zakim]
- -m2
- 17:33:21 [Zakim]
- -Jonathan
- 17:33:22 [TomJ]
- almost 5 years of effort are complete
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- -TonyR
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- -??P31
- 17:33:23 [Zakim]
- -[IBMUK]
- 17:33:24 [Zakim]
- -alewis
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- -[Canon]
- 17:33:27 [Zakim]
- -Roberto
- 17:33:28 [Zakim]
- -Tom_Jordahl
- 17:33:30 [Zakim]
- -Gilbert_Pilz
- 17:33:33 [monica1]
- congrats!
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/01-ws-desc-minutes.html Jonathan
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- rrsagent, set log world
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/01-ws-desc-minutes.html Jonathan
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- Meeting: WS Description WG telcon
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- Chair: Jonathan
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/01-ws-desc-minutes.html Jonathan
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- Attendees were TonyR, Charlton_Barreto, alewis, Jonathan, Tom_Jordahl, JacekK, [IBMUK], +1.425.836.aaaa, asir, m2, Roberto, [Canon], Gilbert_Pilz
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