IRC log of mmsem on 2007-03-01

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Topic: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 01-03-2007, 17:00 UTC

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raphael has changed the topic to: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 01-03-2007, 17:00 UTC

16:52:21 [raphael]

zakim, which conferences

16:52:21 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'which conferences', raphael

16:52:31 [raphael]

zakim, list conferences

16:52:31 [Zakim]

I see WS_DescWG()11:00AM, DIG_TAMI()11:00AM, WAI_Team()10:45AM, XML_PMWG()11:00AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM active

16:52:33 [Zakim]

also scheduled at this time are GA_WebCGM()11:00AM, I18N_Core_WG(WS-I18N)11:00AM, SYMM_TTWG()12:00PM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM, INC_MMSEM()12:00PM

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zakim, this will be INC_MMSEM

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ok, raphael; I see INC_MMSEM()12:00PM scheduled to start in 8 minutes

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Meeting: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 01-03-2007, 17:00 UTC

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Feb/0050.html

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Chair: raphael

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/01-mmsem-minutes.html raphael

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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Regrets: George Anadiotis, Alessio, Pasquale, Sofia, Stamatia, Jeff Pan, Melli

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/01-mmsem-minutes.html raphael

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Regrets+ Michael

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INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has now started

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+ +01210650aaaa

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+[CWI]

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zakim, CWI is Raphael

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+Raphael; got it

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zakim, +01210650 is Ioannis

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+Ioannis; got it

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+[UMD]

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+ +39.050.aabb

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+ +329331aacc

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+??P9

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zakim, UMC is chalaschek

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sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named 'UMC'

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zakim, +39.050 is Suzanne Little

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I don't understand '+39.050 is Suzanne Little', raphael

17:02:48 [raphael]

zakim, +39050 is Suzanne Little

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I don't understand '+39050 is Suzanne Little', raphael

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zakim, UMD is chalaschek

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+chalaschek; got it

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zakim, +39.050.aabb is SuzanneLittle

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+SuzanneLittle; got it

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+ +31.20.592.aadd

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zakim, P9 is SusanneBoll

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sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named 'P9'

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zakim, +??P9 is SusanneBoll

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sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named '+??P9'

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+ +49.681.302.aaee

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zakim, ??P9 is SusanneBoll

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+SusanneBoll; got it

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zakim, +49.681.302.aaee is PaulBuitelar

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+PaulBuitelar; got it

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zakim, +329331aacc is Erik

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+Erik; got it

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zakim, who is here

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raphael, you need to end that query with '?'

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zakim, who is here?

17:04:25 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Ioannis, Raphael, chalaschek, SuzanneLittle, Erik, SusanneBoll, +31.20.592.aadd (muted), PaulBuitelar

17:04:27 [Zakim]

On IRC I see paul, susanne, ocelma, vassilis, chrisa, IoannisPratikakis, zeljko, chalaschek, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael

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zakim, +31.20.592 is Zeljko

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+Zeljko; got it

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vassilis, are you joining on the phone?

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zakim, who is making noise?

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+Thomas_Franz

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raphael, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Erik (0%), Raphael (4%), SusanneBoll (15%), PaulBuitelar (52%)

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zakim, mute PaulBuitelar

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PaulBuitelar should now be muted

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+??P11

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zakim, +??P11 is OscarCelma

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sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named '+??P11'

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zakim, ??P11 is OscarCelma

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+OscarCelma; got it

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Scribe: Zeljko

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Scribenixk: zeljko

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Scribenick: zeljko

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zakim, who is making noise?

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Topic: 1. ADMIN

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raphael, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Raphael (20%), OscarCelma (33%)

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zakim, mute OscarCelma

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OscarCelma should now be muted

17:08:18 [zeljko]

PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 15th February 2007 telecon:

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+[IPcaller]

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http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-mmsem-minutes.html

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-[IPcaller]

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+[IPcaller]

17:09:35 [raphael]

Zakim, IPcaller is Vassilis

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+Vassilis; got it

17:09:49 [zeljko]

RESOLUTION: Minutes accepted

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Topic: 2. LINKS

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-Vassilis

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ACTION: Michael to maintain the Vocabularies page [PENDING]

17:12:16 [raphael]

zakim, who is here?

17:12:16 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Ioannis, Raphael, chalaschek, SuzanneLittle, Erik, SusanneBoll, Zeljko (muted), PaulBuitelar (muted), Thomas_Franz, OscarCelma (muted)

17:12:19 [Zakim]

On IRC I see suzmax, _ocelma_, gaetan_erik_chris, ThomasFranz, paul, susanne, vassilis, chrisa, IoannisPratikakis, zeljko, chalaschek, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael

17:12:29 [raphael]

zakim, unmute Zeljko

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Zeljko should no longer be muted

17:12:56 [raphael]

ACTION: Zeljko to maintain the Resources/Tools page [PENDING]

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+[IPcaller]

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ACTION: Michael to prepare a stable TR Voc page for review by next telecon [DONE]

17:13:24 [vassilis]

zakim IPcaller is vassilis

17:13:27 [raphael]

zakim, IPcaller is vassilis

17:13:27 [Zakim]

+vassilis; got it

17:13:56 [raphael]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/01-mmsem-minutes.html raphael

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Present: Ioannis, Raphael, chalaschek, SuzanneLittle, Erik, SusanneBoll, Zeljko, PaulBuitelar, Thomas_Franz, Oscar

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-vassilis

17:15:01 [raphael]

ACTION: Jeff and Raphael to give feedback on how to improve the Tools Page

17:15:26 [zeljko]

Topic: 3. Image Annotation on the Semantic Web Deliverable

17:15:59 [zeljko]

[PENDING] ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image Annotation on the

17:16:00 [zeljko]

Semantic Web document" by next telecon change the css style (XG report)

17:16:02 [zeljko]

change the syntax of the examples (N3) and the graphs (IsaViz)

17:16:16 [raphael]

zakim, unmute OscarCelma

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OscarCelma should no longer be muted

17:16:28 [zeljko]

Topic: 4.2 Music Use case: (Oscar)

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Oscar: interoperability, links to music ontology. Work on mappings, updated Wiki with metadata.

17:18:37 [zeljko]

Oscar: Python Web service for mapping

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Oscar: sorting out problem with proxies and servers to make service available

17:19:39 [zeljko]

Raphael: iTunes to RDF converter?

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Raphael: Talk with Ivan Herman about this use case. Problem of current poor metadata, music ontology deals with more information

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+[IVML]

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zakim, IVML is Vassilis

17:21:46 [Zakim]

+Vassilis; got it

17:21:56 [vassilis]

thnx raphael

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Raphael: Use case to illustrate richness of music ontology

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ACTION: Oscar to update the UC and the interop deliverable [PENDING]

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ACTION: Oscar to update a possible scenario with classical music (thanks to Ivan Herman)

17:23:04 [zeljko]

Topic: 4.4 News Use case

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Topic: 4.3 News Use case (Chris)

17:23:34 [zeljko]

Chris: new telecon to discuss issues

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Raphael: offline interaction

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Oscar: wiki page updated with additional information, then feednack from the group

17:24:41 [zeljko]

Topic: 4.4 Photo Use case: (Susanne Boll, Erik)

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s/OScar/Chris

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s/Oscar/Chris

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ACTION: Chris, Thierry and Raphael to update the UC and the interop deliverable [PENDING]

17:26:07 [vassilis]

zakim, mute me

17:26:07 [Zakim]

Vassilis should now be muted

17:26:49 [raphael]

Susanne: need to investigate DIG35, is it a XML Schema or in RDF?

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... it is a XML Schema

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... XMP is a good base, it is in RDF

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Susanne: not sure if RDF is solution

17:30:31 [raphael]

ACTION: Chris, Thierry and Raphael to update the UC and the interop [DONE]

17:30:46 [zeljko]

Raphael: XMP, RDF but not controlled schema

17:31:03 [raphael]

ACTION: Erik to start a discussion on Photo UC on public list [DONE]

17:31:30 [zeljko]

Eric: do we be as small as possible or as broad as possible?

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Raphael: generality good idea but to be as much concrete as possible for particular use case

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ACTION: Susanne to look again in the various systems and standards and identify 3-4 standards that together could be the solution [DONE]

17:32:34 [zeljko]

Eric: five different types of photo data

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Raphael: who is behind this standards, who use them

17:33:11 [zeljko]

Eric: consortium of 20 companies

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Raphael: who produce such metadata?

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http://www.i3a.org/i_dig35.html

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Raphael: worth to make convertion to RDF if these stanrads are used

17:34:30 [vassilis]

zakim. unmute me

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s/stanrads/standards

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zakim, unmute Vassilis

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Vassilis should no longer be muted

17:35:14 [zeljko]

Vassilis: what is the current format of this standard

17:35:49 [zeljko]

Susanne: XML Schema

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ACTION: Erik to do the conversion from DIG35 to OWL/RDF

17:38:10 [zeljko]

Susanne: discussion about further steps in this use case

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Raphael: integrations of various vocabularies

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... give examples of these problems in the use case

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q+

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http://www.i3a.org/pdf/resource_order_form.pdf

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zakim, ack suzmax

17:39:44 [Zakim]

I see no one on the speaker queue

17:39:57 [raphael]

PB: DIG35 is not free!

17:40:53 [zeljko]

Raphael: licencing problems of convertion

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ACTION: Erik to contact DIG35 to see any licensing problems if we do some conversions

17:42:06 [zeljko]

Topic: 4.5 Tagging Use case: (George, Thomas, Raphael)

17:42:18 [zeljko]

Thomas: nothing new to report

17:42:43 [zeljko]

Thomas: wiki page and description quite OK

17:43:04 [zeljko]

... started software development project, but it will procede slowely

17:43:25 [zeljko]

Topic: 4.6 Algorithm representation Use case: (Massimo, Suzanne, Patrizia,

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Ovidio)

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ACTION: Jeff and Vassilis to review algorithm representation UC till

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next AC [PENDING}

17:44:00 [zeljko]

ACTION: Vassilis to contact Massimo to ask for next steps [PENDING]

17:44:47 [zeljko]

Vassilis: sending review tomorrow

17:45:00 [zeljko]

Topic: 4.7 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use case: (Ioannis)

17:45:20 [raphael]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/01-mmsem-minutes.html raphael

17:45:37 [zeljko]

Ioannis: collaborative outcame

17:45:55 [zeljko]

New name: semantic media analysis for information retrieval

17:46:34 [raphael]

zakim, who is making noise

17:46:34 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'who is making noise', raphael

17:46:38 [zeljko]

Ioannis: multimodality case: example about audio-visual combination about violence

17:46:39 [raphael]

zakim, who is making noise?

17:46:50 [Zakim]

raphael, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: OscarCelma (5%), Thomas_Franz (15%), Vassilis (18%)

17:47:05 [zeljko]

Ioannis: question - combination of usecases

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... better to keep it as it is now

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... algorithm and semantic multimedia retrieval are complementary

17:48:02 [zeljko]

Ioannis: good to have a review

17:48:45 [raphael]

ACTION: Susanne Little to review the Multimedia Retrieval use case by 08/03/2007

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ACTION: Vassilis to review the Multimedia Retrieval use case by 08/03/2007

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Topic: 5. MPEG-7 Deliverable

17:50:03 [raphael]

4.7 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use case: [DONE]

17:50:16 [raphael]

ACTION: Raphael to enable CVS account for Oscar [DONE]

17:50:31 [raphael]

ACTION: Raphael to enable CVS account for Suzanne Little [DONE]

17:50:48 [raphael]

ACTION: To invite Chrisa as invited expert [DONE]

17:50:54 [zeljko]

ACTION: Oscar, Stamatia, Raphael, Suzanne, Chrisa, Michael to have

17:50:55 [zeljko]

MPEG-7 deliverable ready for review by next telecon [PENDING]

17:51:34 [zeljko]

Raphael: comparison, and harmonization od descriptions

17:51:42 [raphael]

ACTION: Oscar, Stamatia, Raphael, Suzanne, Chrisa, Michael to have MPEG-7 deliverable ready for review by next telecon [PENDING]

17:51:45 [zeljko]

Topic: 6. Future of the Multimedia Semantics XG

17:52:14 [zeljko]

Raphael: discussed in last telecon, meeting with Ivan Herman today

17:52:25 [zeljko]

... W3C has problems with task members

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... increase number of working groups, stop to make working groups

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Raphael: working groups tend to think that best practices working groups are not a good idea

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... Ivane: another XG good idea

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... IG is also a good idea

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... another possibility: interested group, much lighter charter, do not have to produce documents

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... but it can and the documents are endorsed by W3C

17:55:40 [zeljko]

Vassilis: if we have the change to procede to a working group, it is better for getting industrial partners

17:55:40 [raphael]

Vassilis: if we have a chance to proceed to a WG, it would be better to have industrial partners

17:55:47 [raphael]

... even though about the IPP issues

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... since a WG has a much more impact

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... and companies would be more interested

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... they might think they loose their time in an XG

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... and people would be more motivated

17:58:02 [zeljko]

Raphael: do you have in mind some companies: Adobe, Microsoft, Joost, HP...

17:59:23 [zeljko]

Susanne: should find to keep interest people in formal or informal way

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Erik: agrees with Vassilis, better for impact to be in a WG

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Erik: the more impact we can have, the more we can ensure more staff

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Topic: 7. AOB

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-Vassilis

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-SusanneBoll

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-OscarCelma

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Raphael: XG will be closed in two months, worries about compliting all the documents

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-Thomas_Franz

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-PaulBuitelar

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-Raphael

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-chalaschek

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-Erik

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-SuzanneLittle

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-Ioannis

18:01:39 [suzmax]

bye Susanne and Massimo

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s/compliting/completing

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/01-mmsem-minutes.html raphael

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-Zeljko

18:02:55 [Zakim]

INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has ended

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Attendees were +01210650aaaa, Raphael, Ioannis, chalaschek, SuzanneLittle, +31.20.592.aadd, SusanneBoll, PaulBuitelar, Erik, Zeljko, Thomas_Franz, OscarCelma, Vassilis

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