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16:51:33 <raphael> Topic: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 01-03-2007, 17:00 UTC
16:51:43 <raphael> raphael has changed the topic to: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 01-03-2007, 17:00 UTC
16:52:21 <raphael> zakim, which conferences
16:52:21 <Zakim> I don't understand 'which conferences', raphael
16:52:31 <raphael> zakim, list conferences
16:52:31 <Zakim> I see WS_DescWG()11:00AM, DIG_TAMI()11:00AM, WAI_Team()10:45AM, XML_PMWG()11:00AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM active
16:52:33 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are GA_WebCGM()11:00AM, I18N_Core_WG(WS-I18N)11:00AM, SYMM_TTWG()12:00PM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM, INC_MMSEM()12:00PM
16:52:44 <raphael> zakim, this will be INC_MMSEM
16:52:44 <Zakim> ok, raphael; I see INC_MMSEM()12:00PM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
16:52:58 <raphael> Meeting: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 01-03-2007, 17:00 UTC
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16:53:26 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Feb/0050.html
16:53:36 <raphael> Chair: raphael
16:53:50 <raphael> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:53:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/01-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
16:53:59 <raphael> RRSAgent, make logs public
16:54:10 <raphael> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:54:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/01-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
16:54:39 <raphael> Regrets: George Anadiotis, Alessio, Pasquale, Sofia, Stamatia, Jeff Pan, Melli
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16:55:08 <raphael> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:55:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/01-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
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16:57:18 <raphael> Regrets+ Michael
16:57:55 <Zakim> INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has now started
16:58:02 <Zakim> + +01210650aaaa
16:58:05 <Zakim> +[CWI]
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16:58:27 <raphael> zakim, CWI is Raphael
16:58:27 <Zakim> +Raphael; got it
16:58:43 <raphael> zakim, +01210650 is Ioannis
16:58:43 <Zakim> +Ioannis; got it
16:59:22 <Zakim> +[UMD]
16:59:38 <Zakim> + +39.050.aabb
17:01:26 <Zakim> + +329331aacc
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17:01:43 <Zakim> +??P9
17:01:43 <vassilis> vassilis has joined #mmsem
17:02:27 <raphael> zakim, UMC is chalaschek
17:02:27 <Zakim> sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named 'UMC'
17:02:34 <ocelma> ocelma has joined #mmsem
17:02:43 <raphael> zakim, +39.050 is Suzanne Little
17:02:43 <Zakim> I don't understand '+39.050 is Suzanne Little', raphael
17:02:48 <raphael> zakim, +39050 is Suzanne Little
17:02:48 <Zakim> I don't understand '+39050 is Suzanne Little', raphael
17:02:50 <chalaschek> zakim, UMD is chalaschek
17:02:50 <Zakim> +chalaschek; got it
17:02:59 <raphael> zakim, +39.050.aabb is SuzanneLittle
17:03:00 <Zakim> +SuzanneLittle; got it
17:03:07 <Zakim> + +31.20.592.aadd
17:03:17 <raphael> zakim, P9 is SusanneBoll
17:03:17 <Zakim> sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named 'P9'
17:03:22 <raphael> zakim, +??P9 is SusanneBoll
17:03:22 <Zakim> sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named '+??P9'
17:03:27 <Zakim> + +49.681.302.aaee
17:03:29 <raphael> zakim, ??P9 is SusanneBoll
17:03:29 <Zakim> +SusanneBoll; got it
17:03:44 <susanne> susanne has joined #mmsem
17:03:50 <raphael> zakim, +49.681.302.aaee is PaulBuitelar
17:03:50 <Zakim> +PaulBuitelar; got it
17:04:04 <raphael> zakim, +329331aacc is Erik
17:04:04 <Zakim> +Erik; got it
17:04:09 <paul> paul has joined #mmsem
17:04:23 <raphael> zakim, who is here
17:04:23 <Zakim> raphael, you need to end that query with '?'
17:04:25 <raphael> zakim, who is here?
17:04:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ioannis, Raphael, chalaschek, SuzanneLittle, Erik, SusanneBoll, +31.20.592.aadd (muted), PaulBuitelar
17:04:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see paul, susanne, ocelma, vassilis, chrisa, IoannisPratikakis, zeljko, chalaschek, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael
17:05:01 <raphael> zakim, +31.20.592 is Zeljko
17:05:01 <Zakim> +Zeljko; got it
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17:05:22 <raphael> vassilis, are you joining on the phone?
17:05:28 <gaetan_erik_chris> gaetan_erik_chris has joined #mmsem
17:05:28 <raphael> zakim, who is making noise?
17:05:38 <Zakim> +Thomas_Franz
17:05:40 <Zakim> raphael, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Erik (0%), Raphael (4%), SusanneBoll (15%), PaulBuitelar (52%)
17:05:53 <raphael> zakim, mute PaulBuitelar
17:05:53 <Zakim> PaulBuitelar should now be muted
17:06:24 <Zakim> +??P11
17:06:48 <raphael> zakim, +??P11 is OscarCelma
17:06:48 <Zakim> sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named '+??P11'
17:06:53 <raphael> zakim, ??P11 is OscarCelma
17:06:53 <Zakim> +OscarCelma; got it
17:06:57 <raphael> Scribe: Zeljko
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17:07:06 <raphael> Scribenixk: zeljko
17:07:10 <raphael> Scribenick: zeljko
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17:07:30 <raphael> zakim, who is making noise?
17:07:32 <zeljko> Topic: 1. ADMIN
17:07:40 <Zakim> raphael, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Raphael (20%), OscarCelma (33%)
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17:07:50 <raphael> zakim, mute OscarCelma
17:07:50 <Zakim> OscarCelma should now be muted
17:08:18 <zeljko> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 15th February 2007 telecon:
17:08:19 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:08:19 <zeljko>     http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-mmsem-minutes.html
17:09:02 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
17:09:04 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:09:35 <raphael> Zakim, IPcaller is Vassilis 
17:09:35 <Zakim> +Vassilis; got it
17:09:49 <zeljko> RESOLUTION: Minutes accepted
17:10:07 <zeljko> Topic: 2. LINKS
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17:10:45 <Zakim> -Vassilis
17:10:56 <zeljko> ACTION: Michael to maintain the Vocabularies page [PENDING]
17:12:16 <raphael> zakim, who is here?
17:12:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ioannis, Raphael, chalaschek, SuzanneLittle, Erik, SusanneBoll, Zeljko (muted), PaulBuitelar (muted), Thomas_Franz, OscarCelma (muted)
17:12:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see suzmax, _ocelma_, gaetan_erik_chris, ThomasFranz, paul, susanne, vassilis, chrisa, IoannisPratikakis, zeljko, chalaschek, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael
17:12:29 <raphael> zakim, unmute Zeljko
17:12:29 <Zakim> Zeljko should no longer be muted
17:12:56 <raphael> ACTION: Zeljko to maintain the Resources/Tools page [PENDING]
17:13:02 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:13:16 <raphael> ACTION: Michael to prepare a stable TR Voc page for review by next telecon [DONE]
17:13:24 <vassilis> zakim IPcaller is vassilis
17:13:27 <raphael> zakim, IPcaller is vassilis
17:13:27 <Zakim> +vassilis; got it
17:13:56 <raphael> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:13:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/01-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
17:14:31 <raphael> Present: Ioannis, Raphael, chalaschek, SuzanneLittle, Erik, SusanneBoll, Zeljko, PaulBuitelar, Thomas_Franz, Oscar
17:14:40 <Zakim> -vassilis
17:15:01 <raphael> ACTION: Jeff and Raphael to give feedback on how to improve the Tools Page
17:15:26 <zeljko> Topic: 3. Image Annotation on the Semantic Web Deliverable
17:15:59 <zeljko> [PENDING] ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image Annotation on the
17:16:00 <zeljko> Semantic Web document" by next telecon change the css style (XG report)
17:16:02 <zeljko> change the syntax of the examples (N3) and the graphs (IsaViz)
17:16:16 <raphael> zakim, unmute OscarCelma
17:16:16 <Zakim> OscarCelma should no longer be muted
17:16:28 <zeljko> Topic: 4.2 Music Use case: (Oscar)
17:17:20 <zeljko> Oscar: interoperability, links to music ontology. Work on mappings, updated Wiki with metadata. 
17:18:37 <zeljko> Oscar: Python Web service for mapping
17:19:10 <zeljko> Oscar: sorting out problem with proxies and servers to make service available
17:19:39 <zeljko> Raphael: iTunes to RDF converter?
17:21:34 <zeljko> Raphael: Talk with Ivan Herman about this use case. Problem of current poor metadata, music ontology deals with more information
17:21:35 <Zakim> +[IVML]
17:21:46 <raphael> zakim, IVML is Vassilis
17:21:46 <Zakim> +Vassilis; got it
17:21:56 <vassilis> thnx raphael
17:22:09 <zeljko> Raphael: Use case to illustrate richness of music ontology
17:22:18 <raphael> ACTION: Oscar to update the UC and the interop deliverable [PENDING]
17:23:02 <raphael> ACTION: Oscar to update a possible scenario with classical music (thanks to Ivan Herman)
17:23:04 <zeljko> Topic: 4.4 News Use case
17:23:15 <raphael> Topic: 4.3 News Use case (Chris)
17:23:34 <zeljko> Chris: new telecon to discuss issues
17:24:00 <zeljko> Raphael: offline interaction
17:24:27 <zeljko> Oscar: wiki page updated with additional information, then feednack from the group
17:24:41 <zeljko> Topic:  4.4 Photo Use case: (Susanne Boll, Erik)
17:24:44 <raphael> s/OScar/Chris
17:24:49 <raphael> s/Oscar/Chris
17:25:38 <raphael> ACTION: Chris, Thierry and Raphael to update the UC and the interop deliverable [PENDING]
17:26:07 <vassilis> zakim, mute me
17:26:07 <Zakim> Vassilis should now be muted
17:26:49 <raphael> Susanne: need to investigate DIG35, is it a XML Schema or in RDF?
17:26:56 <raphael> ... it is a XML Schema
17:27:14 <raphael> ... XMP is a good base, it is in RDF
17:29:11 <zeljko> Susanne: not sure if RDF is solution
17:30:31 <raphael> ACTION: Chris, Thierry and Raphael to update the UC and the interop [DONE]
17:30:46 <zeljko> Raphael: XMP, RDF but not controlled schema
17:31:03 <raphael> ACTION: Erik to start a discussion on Photo UC on public list [DONE]
17:31:30 <zeljko> Eric: do we be as small as possible or as broad as possible?
17:31:59 <zeljko> Raphael: generality good idea but to be as much concrete as possible for particular use case
17:32:13 <raphael> ACTION: Susanne to look again in the various systems and standards and identify 3-4 standards that together could be the solution [DONE]
17:32:34 <zeljko> Eric: five different types of photo data
17:33:00 <zeljko> Raphael: who is behind this standards, who use them
17:33:11 <zeljko> Eric: consortium of 20 companies
17:33:27 <zeljko> Raphael: who produce such metadata?
17:33:35 <suzmax> http://www.i3a.org/i_dig35.html
17:34:19 <zeljko> Raphael: worth to make convertion to RDF if these stanrads are used
17:34:30 <vassilis> zakim. unmute me
17:34:37 <raphael> s/stanrads/standards
17:34:51 <raphael> zakim, unmute Vassilis
17:34:51 <Zakim> Vassilis should no longer be muted
17:35:14 <zeljko> Vassilis: what is the current format of this standard
17:35:49 <zeljko> Susanne: XML Schema
17:36:59 <raphael> ACTION: Erik to do the conversion from DIG35 to OWL/RDF
17:38:10 <zeljko> Susanne: discussion about further steps in this use case
17:38:42 <zeljko> Raphael: integrations of various vocabularies
17:39:02 <zeljko> ... give examples of these problems in the use case
17:39:07 <suzmax> q+
17:39:34 <suzmax> http://www.i3a.org/pdf/resource_order_form.pdf
17:39:44 <raphael> zakim, ack suzmax
17:39:44 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
17:39:57 <raphael> PB: DIG35 is not free!
17:40:53 <zeljko> Raphael: licencing problems of convertion
17:40:58 <raphael> ACTION: Erik to contact DIG35 to see any licensing problems if we do some conversions
17:42:06 <zeljko> Topic: 4.5 Tagging Use case: (George, Thomas, Raphael)
17:42:18 <zeljko> Thomas: nothing new to report
17:42:43 <zeljko> Thomas: wiki page and description quite OK
17:43:04 <zeljko> ... started software development project, but it will procede slowely
17:43:25 <zeljko> Topic: 4.6 Algorithm representation Use case: (Massimo, Suzanne, Patrizia,
17:43:27 <zeljko> Ovidio)
17:43:47 <zeljko> ACTION: Jeff and Vassilis to review algorithm representation UC till
17:43:48 <zeljko> next AC [PENDING}
17:44:00 <zeljko> ACTION: Vassilis to contact Massimo to ask for next steps [PENDING]
17:44:47 <zeljko> Vassilis: sending review tomorrow
17:45:00 <zeljko> Topic: 4.7 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use case: (Ioannis)
17:45:20 <raphael> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:45:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/01-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
17:45:37 <zeljko> Ioannis: collaborative outcame
17:45:55 <zeljko> New name: semantic media analysis for information retrieval
17:46:34 <raphael> zakim, who is making noise
17:46:34 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is making noise', raphael
17:46:38 <zeljko> Ioannis: multimodality case: example about audio-visual combination about violence
17:46:39 <raphael> zakim, who is making noise?
17:46:50 <Zakim> raphael, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: OscarCelma (5%), Thomas_Franz (15%), Vassilis (18%)
17:47:05 <zeljko> Ioannis: question - combination of usecases
17:47:14 <zeljko> ... better to keep it as it is now
17:47:25 <raphael> ... algorithm and semantic multimedia retrieval are complementary
17:48:02 <zeljko> Ioannis: good to have a review
17:48:45 <raphael> ACTION: Susanne Little to review the Multimedia Retrieval use case by 08/03/2007
17:49:03 <raphael> ACTION: Vassilis to review the Multimedia Retrieval use case by 08/03/2007
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17:49:54 <zeljko> Topic: 5. MPEG-7 Deliverable
17:50:03 <raphael> 4.7 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use case: [DONE]
17:50:16 <raphael> ACTION: Raphael to enable CVS account for Oscar [DONE]
17:50:31 <raphael> ACTION: Raphael to enable CVS account for Suzanne Little [DONE]
17:50:48 <raphael> ACTION: To invite Chrisa as invited expert [DONE]
17:50:54 <zeljko> ACTION: Oscar, Stamatia, Raphael, Suzanne, Chrisa, Michael to have
17:50:55 <zeljko> MPEG-7 deliverable ready for review by next telecon [PENDING]
17:51:34 <zeljko> Raphael: comparison, and harmonization od descriptions
17:51:42 <raphael> ACTION: Oscar, Stamatia, Raphael, Suzanne, Chrisa, Michael to have MPEG-7 deliverable ready for review by next telecon [PENDING]
17:51:45 <zeljko> Topic: 6. Future of the Multimedia Semantics XG
17:52:14 <zeljko> Raphael: discussed in last telecon, meeting with Ivan Herman today
17:52:25 <zeljko> ... W3C has problems with task members
17:52:46 <zeljko> ... increase number of working groups, stop to make working groups
17:53:25 <zeljko> Raphael: working groups tend to think that best practices working groups are not a good idea
17:53:39 <zeljko> ... Ivane: another XG good idea
17:54:00 <raphael> ... IG is also a good idea
17:54:04 <zeljko> ... another possibility: interested group, much lighter charter, do not have to produce documents
17:55:06 <raphael> ... but it can and the documents are endorsed by W3C
17:55:40 <zeljko> Vassilis: if we have the change to procede to a working group, it is better for getting industrial partners
17:55:40 <raphael> Vassilis: if we have a chance to proceed to a WG, it would be better to have industrial partners
17:55:47 <raphael> ... even though about the IPP issues
17:55:57 <raphael> ... since a WG has a much more impact
17:56:05 <raphael> ... and companies would be more interested
17:56:17 <raphael> ... they might think they loose their time in an XG
17:56:39 <raphael> ... and people would be more motivated
17:58:02 <zeljko> Raphael: do you have in mind some companies: Adobe, Microsoft, Joost, HP...
17:59:23 <zeljko> Susanne: should find to keep interest people in formal or informal way
18:00:15 <raphael> Erik: agrees with Vassilis, better for impact to be in a WG
18:00:29 <zeljko> Erik: the more impact we can have, the more we can ensure more staff
18:00:39 <zeljko> Topic: 7. AOB
18:01:23 <Zakim> -Vassilis
18:01:24 <Zakim> -SusanneBoll
18:01:25 <Zakim> -OscarCelma
18:01:25 <zeljko> Raphael: XG will be closed in two months, worries about compliting all the documents
18:01:26 <Zakim> -Thomas_Franz
18:01:27 <Zakim> -PaulBuitelar
18:01:28 <Zakim> -Raphael
18:01:28 <Zakim> -chalaschek
18:01:29 <Zakim> -Erik
18:01:30 <Zakim> -SuzanneLittle
18:01:32 <Zakim> -Ioannis
18:01:39 <suzmax> bye Susanne and Massimo
18:01:41 <raphael> s/compliting/completing
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18:01:47 <raphael> RRSAgent, draft minutes
18:01:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/01-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
18:02:54 <Zakim> -Zeljko
18:02:55 <Zakim> INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has ended
18:02:56 <Zakim> Attendees were +01210650aaaa, Raphael, Ioannis, chalaschek, SuzanneLittle, +31.20.592.aadd, SusanneBoll, PaulBuitelar, Erik, Zeljko, Thomas_Franz, OscarCelma, Vassilis
18:03:10 <chrisa> chrisa has left #mmsem
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